That is what amuses me about most statist's opinions on gun control. When one man from the private sector kills 22 kids its a tragedy, when the government kills thousands, even millions of people they just blow it off. The nature of government is violence and threats, where as the nature of the market is cooperation and social interaction.

A tribal leader nor a father will never use coercion as a means to an end. 99% of all tribal leaders or fathers have never held their child by the threat of violence for anything while 100% of all governments have held their citizens by the threat of violence for everything. HOW DO WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE? Government has the legal MONOPOLY of violence, basically, nobody except government can use or threat of violence legally. Even tribal leaders would be held accountable for any unwarranted violence by others.

The formation of democratic governments doesn't negate the fact of the oppressive historical nature of other forms of government. These non democratic governments still exist today, so in a democratic government, we get to choose our despot.

If you think I am anti-government as a religion, then you are a pro-government as your religion.

I am not anti-government, I am pro-liberty which makes you anti-liberty.

How am I less oppressed than any caveman? Cavemen didn't have to succumb to the arbitrary rules of government officials, all of which are written for their favor or friends. Hence, this is why government is corrupt and markets distorted. They bend the rules in their favor.

Government is not inherently oppression any more than a tribal leader or a father may be oppressive.

When the mafia takes 20% of someone's income it is extortion, I am sure we can both agree on that, but when the government takes 30% of someone's income it is no not oppression? Force is force, nothing more.

I'd argue the formation of governments governed by people in large part eliminates the historical oppression of authority figures who derive their power from strength and cruelty instead of from a popular vote.

Actually, historically speaking, most governments have been oppressive and a large number of republics and democracies have been over thrown and turned into something terrible.

You think you are oppressed because anti-government is like a religion for you.

I do not think I am oppressed because I am against government, I know I am oppressed when part of every cent I spend or earn goes to the government. Lets put it this way, if you don't pay back a loan to your bank they let other banks know you have bed credit, if you don't pay your taxes you can be thrown in jail.

You are not though. You are less oppressed than any caveman ever was. That is reality.

A caveman having self discipline does not make him oppressed, being forced to pay for the salaries of corrupt bastards that people like you vote for is oppression.

Government is not inherently oppression any more than a tribal leader or a father may be oppressive.

When the mafia takes 20% of someone's income it is extortion, I am sure we can both agree on that, but when the government takes 30% of someone's income it is no not oppression? Force is force, nothing more.

I'd argue the formation of governments governed by people in large part eliminates the historical oppression of authority figures who derive their power from strength and cruelty instead of from a popular vote.

Actually, historically speaking, most governments have been oppressive and a large number of republics and democracies have been over thrown and turned into something terrible.

You think you are oppressed because anti-government is like a religion for you.

You think you aren't oppressed because government is like a religion for you.

I do not think I am oppressed because I am against government, I know I am oppressed when part of every cent I spend or earn goes to the government. Lets put it this way, if you don't pay back a loan to your bank they let other banks know you have bed credit, if you don't pay your taxes you can be thrown in jail.

You are not though. You are less oppressed than any caveman ever was. That is reality.

A caveman having self discipline does not make him oppressed, being forced to pay for the salaries of corrupt bastards that people like you vote for is oppression.