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 What is income equality, and should I support it? (29)

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What is income equality, and should I support it?

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Not everyone produces the same quality of work, therefore "equal" should not apply.

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If I work more than someone who just sits around and does nothing, why should we have equal income?

On the other side, if two people are a different race and both work equally hard, they should have equal distribution of income.

Again(226) Clarified
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If I work more than someone who just sits around and does nothing, why should we have equal income?

As things currently stand, and have stood for many hundreds of years, the person who sits around and does nothing is the one getting paid from the work you do. Either they are the CEO of a company or they are taking welfare cheques out of your tax dollars. If everything were balanced out so that everybody earned the same, your money would go up, not down. It would go up by a lot.

Mint_tea(4089) Clarified
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Given the choice of working a job or being with my family, I will choose my family if I could get away with it. If everyone earned the same it would provide no incentive to continue working when you are supporting others who simply don't want to put forth the effort and making the same amount you are.

Fair enough, I agree...............................................................................................................................................

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In the context of a monetary system income equality in a complete sense is hardly realistic. A hardcore socialist like me ultimately wants to abolish the very existence of money, but the soc-dem is one who wants just enough equality to give everyone a chance while still allowing there to be such a thing as "class". Income equality is a spectrum, but the left is ultimately in support of it. It just depends how far left you are, if you want to just make things a little more equal, say "fuck it, let's just abolish money and say everyone has universal access to resources", or somewhere in between.

Although my extreme far left position seems absurd for good reason in a modern context, keep in mind it I am in support of it because I think it can be viable in a future where we have the technological capacity to provide for everyone much more easily and where the general population is much more educatedand rational due to the culture evolving.

FromWithin(7864) Disputed Banned
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Where do you think those technological innovations came from? They come from competition and the thirst for the good life.

In a Socialist world, we would be still living on farms because no one would have invented the assembly lines and the mass production to feed the masses.

Pestilence(83) Disputed
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Where do you think those technological innovations came from? They come from competition and the thirst for the good life.

So capitalism is necessary because the only thing which can truly motivate humans is personal gain. If that's the case, what incentive is there to care about anything that isn't directly related to acquiring money and why do you pretend capitalism is moral when by your own admission the only reason anything is invented or produced is for personal profit?

In a Socialist world, we would be still living on farms because no one would have invented the assembly lines and the mass production to feed the masses.

People would still invent those things because they would make farming easier among other things. If competition is the only thing that truly creates innovation, then ruthlessness and greed are morally just because they are what produce everything. If that is the case, there is no reason to care about unborn children or anyone else for that matter because humans are inherently only concerned with personal gain, yet mysteriously you spend your time talking about things which have nothing to do with being motivated by profit and competition.

Again(226) Disputed
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Where do you think those technological innovations came from? They come from competition and the thirst for the good life.

So conflict and greed are the reasons technology improves over time? Lol.

Guess what, imbecile? Technology improves even when you remove those elements. For the first eighty or ninety thousand years of human existence we were simply trying to survive being eaten, and that's why technology improved. Technology moves forward regardless of which economic system you put in place and that is documented extensively by the historical record.

You need to seek help. You are one of these truly mad individuals who believes the precise opposite of everything Jesus believed, and who cynically uses the name of Jesus to pursue and justify his own political extremism. You are dangerously insane.

In a Socialist world, we would be still living on farms because no one would have invented the assembly lines and the mass production to feed the masses.

Cool. But while you Americans were busy competing with each other, the Soviets invented satellite technology, holograms, laser pistols, pulsed plasma thrusters, space suits and also put the first man into space. They also built one of the most powerful armies the world has ever seen. Another fine example of how the historical record exposes you as a delusional extremist nutbag.

seanB(849) Disputed
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People don't make strides in science because they are financially incentivised to do it. They do it for the love of the career.

But you wouldn't know. Because you are an ├╝ber right wing ultra religious fucking nitwit. You don't know what science is. Scientific advance has happened IN SPITE of your fucking backwards religion, and every scientific advance that we are trying to make currently is HINDERED by your fucking backwards religion. You literally believe that a book written mostly by mentally deficient shepherds in one corner of a vast universe, is the meaning of existence. What the FUCK do you know about science and human progression??

Stop talking about things you know nothing about, you silly cunt.

I like the soc-dem idea. i guess i am a little old fashioned.