What is the best way to show these principles as contradictory
These principles define the common conceptualization of god.
0. God is himself unfounded
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God is all powerful
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God is all knowing
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God is all good
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God created everything
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God chooses a set of standards which a person is measured against to determined if they go to hell or heaven after they die, hell is a painful hurtful evil place; heaven is paradise.
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free will exists and is defined as follows: A person can be an originator,an uncaused cause; a prime mover whose decisions/actions are neither random, determined or a mixture of the two.
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causing harm is not good, when one could just as well not harm.
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1 and 6 - An all poelwerful god has no control over his creations actions? 2 and 6 - An all knowing god does not know what his creation thinks? 3 and 5 - An omnibenevolent god casts his reatio. To eternal damnation? and 7 - ...which entitles this god to harm his subjects 4 and 6 - A god predetermined our actions whilst permitting his creations to have complete control over those very actions? There we go! God could have prevented me from writing this, but he didn't. Hmm... 1
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I love this game, these are indeed the usual defining points of god right? I started to write an essay on how many ways these things conflict. Then thought.... theres like...30 or more ways to show how these contradicts if you include the complicated ones. So I thought i'll share in the fun and I also wondered what religious people have to say, we should invite more people. perhaps I worded 7 wrong, Its supposed to state that the only way to morally cause harm is if it results in or is an attempt to do something better then what is possible by not doing it. An example would be a doctor working to save a life, but with out the proper pain killers etc.. He might cause harm, but its justified, he is trying to save a life. God is incapable of being in the same situation as the doctor because of 1. 2. and 3. 1, omnipotence, can be self-contradicting depending on definition. For example, can god defy logic? No matter how you answer this question it causes a logical contradiction. Then there are the old questions like "can god create a rock so heavy he cannot lift it?" The question seems puerile in modern times but it is still valid and unaddressed. 1, 2 and 3 lead to the classic problem of evil. It's never been solved satisfactorily because it is a contradiction with our reality. 4 contradicts reality in that something doesn't come from nothing. 2 and 6 cannot go together, they are mutually exclusive. 3 and 5 are mutually exclusive, because an all good god wouldn't torture or punish. 2 and 5 create determinism and Calvinist philosophy, I believe. This god cannot be all good, 3. 1
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4 and 6 conflict God created everything A man creates his own actions. Both are mutually exclusive, and a clear contradiction; this is enough to disprove the common conceptualization. 2 and 6 conflict If a mans actions are not determined, and even if they are random, then there is no way for god to know his actions before the man creates them.
1 and 6 conflict A man creating his own actions would leave god powerless in that creation. 5 + 1 contradicts 7 God as all powerful, is choosing to cause harm by making standards which send people to hell. He is doing this for he can change his standards, and change the behavior of people to meet those standards if he so choose; with no negative consequences. I can think of plenty others |
