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 What is the ultimate goal of government? (25)

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What is the ultimate goal of government?

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The goal of government is to get you to believe that they are needed. Otherwise, government would cease to exist. That's why government is always coming up with crisis (the war on drugs, no child left behind, global warming, etc.). That is also why the government is not a unifying force. It creates a lot of conflict between groups (gay marriage, abortion, etc.).

3 points

Just how in 1984 they constantly had war even though no one ever saw real war footage. It was just to get people patriotic.

Side: To protect the people from themselves
jessald(1915) Disputed
3 points

::Sigh::, 5 points. People can be so selfish. So foolish. So eager to blame somebody else for their problems. It's so easy to use government as a scapegoat for everything that's wrong in your life.

No child left behind wasn't a crisis, it was a program to improve education.

Global warming isn't made up. You know that.

Government didn't create the tension between gays and gay-bashers or between pro-choice and pro-life. Those conflicts were there to begin with.

Government is necessary. Life would be awful without it. It's very irresponsible of you to argue for it's elimination.

Side: improve quality of life
TyTheTiger(104) Disputed
1 point

It's not a scapegoat if it's true. But then again, when you look at where government comes from the whole situation looks like one yelling at a mirror =/

Why do the government education camps suck in the first place? =/

Government, religion. Potato, potato. =/

Government is necessary? Prove it.

Side: improve quality of life
mudkipz2(358) Disputed
1 point

the role of government is to protect its subjects and manage the distribution of resources to its subjects. the reason why government exist is because people agree that having a unified group of people living together under one authority is more productive, and safer then living in a anarchy society. not to make people believe they need government, but because people do need it. obviously though, some governments aren't more productive are safer for its subjects, aka fascism, Nazism, and so on.

Side: improve quality of life
2 points

The ultimate goal of government is to create, enhance, and sustain monopoly. The government is just a corporation with a monopoly.

There is no service the government provides that can not be provided for more cheaply by private sector market competition.

If the ultimate goal of government was to keep us safe, to enhance the quality of our lives, and to help us flourish, then why would they need to use force to take our money?

If we all just stopped paying taxes, would the world just turn into total chaos? Are taxes a necessity of order, or is it just benefiting the power elite to have us think so?

Side: improve quality of life
E223(193) Disputed
3 points

If you actually believe this, you're an idiot. You treat the government as if it's some evil force that's just a bunch of corrupt people trying to exploit the average man. While there might be some politicians that are corrupt, the honest truth is that it's better than what would exist with no government. The goal of a company (at least, any successful company) is to make as much money as possible, to essentially have as much power as possible. A privately owned company faces no regulation other than that provided by the government, and if there was no government, the privately owned companies would be able to do what ever they wanted.

Do you honestly think that taxation is bad? Do you honestly think that "there is no service the government provides that can not be provided for more cheaply by private sector market competition."? Like what? The mail system? Maybe. The Judicial System? Fuck no (and if we tried private sector Judicial system, corruption would be terrible). The Highway system? Fuck no! The military? Have you heard of Blackwater? You think that that would be better than the USMC/US Army/US Navy/US Coast guard?

The government isn't some evil system. Sure, it makes mistakes. Sure, there's a bit of corruption. But the goal of government (at least... a good gov't) isn't to exploit its citizens, but to provide safety and services that couldn't be provided by the private sector.

Side: improve quality of life
2 points

To do GOOD .

In the begginning it stood for GOOD

Well thats back when they cared enough to be Governers Of Our Destiny.

But once they realised the potential of power, they got selfish.

NOW THEY DO IT TO PLAY GOD!

Governers Of Destiny. That is what GOD stands for.

Life is their game of chess and you and i ,

are the pawns!

Side: To play chess with us
2 points

The whole reason why government was VERY FIRST created was to protect people from others.

That has always been the ultimate goal and people have added on over time. Our very Founding Fathers felt that the only necessary action that government must take is to protect us from others. When we start deciding that government must do this and that, all they end up becoming is too powerful.

Side: To protect the people from themselves
2 points

Every government has a different goal...

There are dictatorships that want to just control everything, there are democracies, that want to provide what the people want, there are tons of different forms of gov't.

Side: Stupid Premise
1 point

Without government, people are disbanded, and for that manner, independant. However, the progression of one community through some sort of advantage, like advenced technology, would then only benifit them. My ideal government would be a system of banding these advantages together between these groups giving all access to better lives. It's like a communist anarchy.

Side: Stupid Premise
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Government has many goals, but the overriding purpose is to improve the overall quality of life for the governed.

Also, it gives us something to laugh at when guys like Joe start prancing around in tin-foil hats.

Side: improve quality of life
1 point

I will not permit downvotes without reason on my debate .

Side: improve quality of life
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To protect the people from themselves. To ensure balance, cooperation and community over inequality, competition and selfishness. Government is an evolved structure to help us overcome our own evolution. It is an institute of progress, and it must continue to evolve.

Side: To protect the people from themselves
1 point

I will not permit downvotes without reason on my debate .

Side: To protect the people from themselves

Grow Larger, regulate business, high taxes, and limit liberty

Side: To protect the people from themselves
1 point

The thing that made the U.S. a great country when we first started was that our goal was to get government out of the way as much as possible without going to anarchy.

But now as Joe has pointed out we are stooping to everyone else's level. Thank's largely to the progressives and big government libs.

Side: protect us from others
ledhead818(637) Disputed
1 point

I don't think the primary motivation for the Revolutionary War was to decrease the scope of government. I am fairly certain it was to stop England from imposing unfair laws upon the colonists because they had no representation in parliament.

If you can provide evidence that upon achieving independence America decreased the scope of government then fine. Note: decreasing the power of the government is not the same as creating a democracy. They are not even similar.

Side: protect us from others
JakeJ(3254) Disputed
1 point

"I don't think the primary motivation for the Revolutionary War was to decrease the scope of government."

Hmm.. me neither. I was talking about after the war when we decided we would create a less oppressive government.

Side: protect us from others
1 point

There is no natural purpose of government; a scientist in their observation of nature would not discover the principles of physics by which that scientist may determine a noble purpose for government. Government is not "corrupt" or "good", and I do not think it meaningful to evaluate it on moral terms; government is what it is--structured power over a group and region of people.

Early scholars of government, including some of our founding fathers who were aware of the academic literature of the time, did not trust that there is a natural purpose to government, which is why they created rational safeguards--legal obstacles--to the abuse of power. They envisioned a purpose of government and created real devices to push their understanding of government (a government for the people). Another people and another government may decide that the purpose of a governing authority is to safeguard their religious principles: is that so wrong? Two distinct governments.

Which is why I say that government has no inherent meaning or purpose--but WE have our own interests and things we find meaningful, and if we want those protected, we need to structure government to satisfy our interests. Government is a force of power in a community, like a sword, and can adopt the views of its wielder.

As for people criticizing each other as irresponsible... I doubt anyone here for their forum posting has failed in actual assigned responsibility or work or duty and let peoples or persons down. Your words are just like ornaments... they decorate and make things shiny and do little else. We do not hold government credentials such that we speak with the authority of the state and would mislead others accidentally into anarchy by talking about the harms of government.

Side: protect us from others
jessald(1915) Disputed
1 point

Your words are just like ornaments... they decorate and make things shiny and do little else.

Not true. Every conversation you have, every argument you post, has the potential to shape the opinions of others. Opinions in turn guide us in shaping our world. Posting an argument on some obscure website might not have a very big impact compared to, say, a speech by a world leader -- but that doesn't make it inconsequential.

And in a Democracy we all speak with the authority of the state to a small degree.

Side: protect us from others
1 point

generally, the goal of government seems to be lining their own pockets. in other words corruption.

Side: protect us from others