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 What is wrong with believing in a god? (28)

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What is wrong with believing in a god?

Atheists love to argue- but why do they argue so frequently against religion?

What motivates them to fight so hard, with such anger against people who say they want peace and love?

 

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3 points

Because if you allow yourself to give up your reasoning, the only thing that distinguishes us from other animals, you have given up what makes you amazing.

And because if you believe that an absolute moral authority exists, you aren't made to think about your own morals. Because I have no moral authority, I have to actually think about how my actions affect other people rather than how my actions would best please my divine overlord. And if you believe that your morals and knowledge come from an ultimate authority, you are less likely to accept you may be wrong, even when it is proved so. I am, by very definition, open minded about everything, because I have no previous confirmation bias towards my decisions that a theist would have, in the sense that, I know I am just a fallible human, and I am sometimes wrong. If you think that your opinion reflects that of an omniscient superpower, of course you wouldn't think it might be wrong.

This also means that people use the excuse of an ultimate moral authority for committing horrendous and inhumane acts like discriminating against homosexuals, owning slaves, perpetuating the role of women as nothing more than housekeeping baby makers, stoning people to death etc etc.

Supporting Evidence: Why I have a problem with religion. (www.patheos.com)
2 points

Exactly what I think! Why should atheists care if we believe in a god, We Christians and other religions have accepted and have had to understand that some people are atheist so why can't atheist's accept and understand that some people believe in a god/multiple gods.

Cuaroc(8829) Disputed
4 points

Exactly what I think! Why should atheists care if we believe in a god

because you try to force your religion onto other people by saying you will get eternal punishment for simply not beliving in your religion.

(i'm not saying all Christains just the majority of them.)

Emperor(1348) Disputed
3 points

Like you don't force your atheism on people?

I mean, sure, you've never crusaded or been on a mission trip to give starving people food in exchange for accepting Jesus, and you've never flown a plane into buildings, but still...

Vermink(1944) Disputed
1 point

Fair enough some Christians do try to force the religion onto people, trying to do by saying you get eternal punishment is a stupid way to get someone into a religion because that just makes you resent them they're almost saying your a bad person which no one wants to hear... Do you think the same?

But also it is the same with some atheists they desperately try to convert religions into believing in science. (Obviously not all)

maccabaeus(231) Disputed
1 point

The Communists forced their religion of atheism upon more than a billion people in Europe and Asia. It is atheists who are more dangerous than the Christians.

timber113(796) Disputed
1 point

because you try to force your religion onto other people by saying you will get eternal punishment for simply not beliving in your religion.

(i'm not saying all Christains just the majority of them.)

No one tries to force their religion on you by giving you their religious beliefs ( i know your not saying all christians but still). If someone wants to voice their opinion on something let them and that is what that Christian who you are talking about is doing. Isnt it the same thing when you live under a governmental institution and they tell you what will happen if you murder, cheat or steal. The christian is doing the same thing and they warn you of what will happen if you choose to not believe in them but they dont twist your arm (i.e. force you) into believing what their message, or at least they shouldn't.

2 points

We care because people who believe this stuff, and who are wet for the end of the world, are running our countries. Read this link it explains quite nicely how I feel.

Supporting Evidence: Why I Have A Problem With Religion (www.patheos.com)

The very last picture in the collage is Justin Bieber's album Pray. That says it all.

Religion is a genuine threat to logic, the lives of people, and the economies of the world.

Religion kills so, so many people every single day. Literally.

Religion allows the acts of large and powerful rulers to hide under the auspices of "doing God's work".

What's good about religion?

Well, it provides people with a resource for when they're really having a tough life. I mean, a woman's child has died and she turns to God for help. Does this show signs of we weak mind? Maybe. But we cannot understand what she's going through, whatsoever. It's difficult.

Micmacmoc(2260) Disputed
1 point

"Religion is a genuine threat to logic"

There is a lot of logical proof for religion, and a lot of it cannot be refuted by science. There is a lot of things that science cannot explain, either, and a lot of science is illogical. Some things that religion explains are things like how this exact universe came into existence. It is more likely to be design than to be chance.

There are other things that science cannot explain or disprove about some religion such as the resurrection, and because of this many people have turned from atheist to theist.

2 points

There is nothing whatsoever wrong with believing in God. What Atheists don't like is the extremism that comes with following a religion. Blindly following any belief can make you become stubborn, irrational, and hateful. Believing in a God of an organized religion can take the curiosity and imagination away from people, while it is replaced with unshakable ideologies and out-dated opinions. Religion is responsible for the hating of homosexuals and the abuse of animals, it has started wars and caused the deaths of innocent men. There is nothing wrong with believing in God, but it can be the precursor to an ignorant and blind life.

1 point

There is nothing wrong with have a religious understanding and grounding. There is therefore nothing wrong with believing in God, so I don't see why atheists are so anti-religion.

It is true that religion may sometimes be seen as illogical, but the very belief and the fact that you have something to fall back on, something else about your character, and the knowledge that comes with it, is always going to be a good thing. To say anything else would be completely inconsiderate of the truth that is in the world.

1 point

I'm fine with people who dont try to force their religion onto you.

1 point

Nothing, so long as one understands that hearing a voice no one else can hear that tells you things, perhaps tells you to hurt or kill someone else is not God, it's mental illness. God is love.

1 point

There is nothing wrong as long as you dont hurt anyone and are happy to allow others the same freedom of belief you enjoy

The same thing which is "wrong" with believing in any idealism or delusion. They tend to be ineffective copeing mechanisms with various side effects, such as being cool with killing your own son on command with no reason given(so much for "free" will), and so on.

1 point

Atheist people argue so much because other people's religions effect them. You have people killing people over their religion, and they have people trying to shove their opinions on them. There is also the problem of progression. It's frustrating for an atheist to be talking about something like Science and have a theist argue with them because it goes against their religion.

1 point

Yeah, that's one of my biggest problems.

I love science because it explains things. It is complex, and it does take study, so you can't just say "God did it". You really need to have a firm base, and work up and understand each theory and why it works.

With religion, it's the exact opposite. Then creationists try to tell me I'm wrong, and I realize it's 100% pointless to argue with them because unless they open their mind and stop thinking the world is 6000 years old, the rest of physics, astronomy, geology, biology and everything else makes no sense. To force them to accept one fact, and then to educate them regarding everything else is far too difficult for me. Indoctrination is a very strong force, mixed with willful ignorance.

1 point

It only irritates me when people let their religion hold them back from understanding things. In my school this girl refused to take comparative religions when it ended up on her schedule, which I found ridiculous. Just because you believe in something doesn't mean you shouldn't hear the other sides.

If that's really all it is, nothing at all. However you're entitled to as much respect for believing in god as (children, cover your eyes) believing in Santa Claus.

1 point

I dont understand why aetheists think that expaining things through science discredits the intervention of God/gods. For example if a theist were to say God struck down Pompei because of their lewd acts and degrading behaviour an aetheist would explain the reason why the volcano exploded. When science explains what the world saw as supernatural in the past it does not mean that a god didnt do it, it just means that science explained how he did it.

1 point

Wow! There's a lot of people here that should try using the word "some" or even "most" before they type "atheist".... just like all groups of people, not all atheists are alike. I respect people's right to believe whatever they want. I don't argue with people about their religion... I will defend myself if someone tries to attack me for being atheist but I don't care what people believe in as long as it doesn't negatively affect me.

1 point

I agree that's why I always type some when referring to a group of people as there's good and bad in all groups and I dont like it when people assume everyone in a group is bad because they have only experienced the negative

I will say my opinion when the question is posted right.

1 point

No wrong in believing in god .because that word give us a positive energy. we don't want to believe in religion. In my opinion religion is made human itself. so believe in god and be happy