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What is your opinion on Satanism?
There is a lot of controversy at present about Satanism, like sacrificing babies, orgies, blood rituals and that satanists are evil and cruel. After reading about its theories and philosophies, Satanism seems like a common-sensical, natural and thought out religion. I will provide you with the Church of Satan website so you can check it out. I think it is important to tell you as well that while reading you may think 'Oh, this is a bit strange,' but I think the idea of the religion is to take it with a pinch of salt i.e. don't take it too seriously.
So what are your opinions and/or experiences of Satanism?
Satanists aren't Radical Islamists just like Mormons aren't Radical Islamists, or Scientologists aren't Radical Islamists. Any group that does not follow Islam can't be a Radical Islamist.
Satanism is nothing to do with Muslims or Obama. Point disputed. End of discussion and also your time on this debate for wasting my time responding to your nonsense.
Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!
The satan philosephy I identify most with is paying people back for crossing you. Society has gotten weak from this sissy turn the other cheek (forgiveness) fairytale christian crap. Letting people get of the hook only makes the world a more pathetic place. Satanists and I agree with "weeding out" the weak minded
Passivity can be very wise though, especially in violent situations like the one Jesus mentioned. Also, to hit someone on the right cheek meant in the first century greco-roman world that you were showing a subject that he was an inferior, so what Jesus meant by "turn and offer the other cheek" was to show an aggressor that you are his equal. Perfectly sensible.
Also, Satanists DO condone love. But only to those who deserve it. NOT this whole "love your enemy" nonsense. And not these useless "free riders" of society who do nothing to contribute, but rather just suck up all the services from tax-payers like me. With their monthly entitlement checks which they call "disability." LOL. Since when is being fat and stupid and lazy a disability worth getting paid for? LOL!!
I didn't ask any particular religion, I merely asked the general public on this site. Whether Christian or homosexual, any view is worth the time. Whether they are wrong is dependant.
If you don't ask everyone you don't get a variety of views. If I only asked Christians what they thought of Christianity, I would presume most of the results would say it is good. However, if you ask everyone there would be a flock of views, which is the point.
Again, views are worth the time. Whether they are wrong is worth another time.
If you want to find out what they are about you should only ask them. It will be biased, but it will be representative of actual viewpoints of that particular religion. Negative opinions are frequently wildly biased.
I know what they are about because I read about it. I want to know what other people think of it because to me it seems like a religion that makes sense. So I am interested in whether other people, regardless of who they are, think it makes sense or not and give their views on it.
Indeed, when I heard about said baby sacrifices it intrigued me to see who's up to the act. The 'evidence' claimed that satanists perform these heinous acts, yet I thought that it could just be anyone with some kind of mental disorder, right? This is when I looked up Satanism and read the theories etc. and I just thought 'This makes sense. What person who goes by this philosophy could be mental?' To be honest it is essentially a relgion for those with common sense.
Actually, that's not true. For example, the Mormon church has completely whitewashed their history to make it look like sunshine and rainbows, when in reality it was started by a conman/adulterer/pedophile. The best way to find out the true reality of a religions is to ask member of the religion, ask people who have left the religion, and by studying their religious texts and historical records. The historical records of the Mormon church tell a very different story than what they teach their members.
I am referring to learning how the religious doctrine is practiced. You can't really learn how Mormons act based on their founder. It is good for identifying problems with the religion, but some Mormons are good people.
I agree. I think most Mormons are good people. My entire family, except for myself, are Mormon, and the vast majority of my friends are too. I just wish they would take the time to study the history of their religion.
There one big confusion here - there are several "denominations" of Satanism. One major one was founded by Anton Lavay. He basically preached selfishness and self gratification (sex, etc) and never turn the other cheek. Otherwise that's about as scary as it gets
Satanism makes Satan a "god". Since I don't believe in "gods", I can't believe in Satan either! It seems no one can come up with a "god" of ANY kind that is not a cruel entity that requires all to kneel before him S/HE/IT or suffer the consequences! I'm not kneeling and I think the consequences will be no different for ME than for YOU!
"The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost the power to reason." Voltaire
Did you even read the theories on the website that I provided for you? Satan isn't a 'God', he is a figurative representation of human desires. For example, it says on the Nine Satanic Statements that 'Satan represents indulgence not abstinence.'
Satanists are sort of like atheists that like to mess with the Christians by wearing black and being all 'satany'.
In Satanism they don't believe him to be real, they use him as a representative of the animalistic of humans. Granted, some people do believe in Satan but Satanists, ironically, do not.
have you ever heard of the bible and the fact jesus cast down Lucifer to rule over the underworld where all the bad people go i beleive that when someone becomes a ruler from god that makes them a God he is God of the UNDERWORLD.
Yeah, but Satanists don't believe in the Bible. He may be 'God' of Hell to Christians but to Satanists he isn't, as it would kind of defeat the whole point of the religion.
I for one do not have a bad opinion on satanism i am a satanists in fact i beleive in god but do not follow him do to the fact i have had so many wrong doings in my life why wasnt this so called god there for me? and thank you very much thinklad he is my god and no one can change that have you ever heard of freedom of religion?
Technically satanism counts as a religious practice and since we have religious freedom in this country they should be allowed to worship whatever they want, but if what they do begins to impact other people or if they decide to try and shove their beliefs down the throats of people they are crossing a line. That doesn't just count for them that counts for everyone. As long as you keep to yourself and keep your religious beliefs to yourself then I have no problem with what religion you choose to practice.
I'm cool with Satanism in the style of the Church of Satan. They're fun people, reasonable, rational, like to have a good time, don't let other religions be pains in the asses without trolling them a bit. I would even join if I was willing to devote any time to a church. Instead, I just live by their principles for the most part.
Display evidence for your statements, please, otherwise it is a pointless sentence. Do you expect someone to say 'Yeah, dogs are secretly doing tests on us while we sleep' without any evidence and then believe them? I would certainly hope not.
At my age, nothing makes me bat an eye. I would not be in the least bit surprised if someone said, "Yeah, dogs are secretly doing tests on us while we sleep." I can't say that I would expect someone to say that, just that I wouldn't be surprised. As far as evidence, I would be like, "Really? Wow! You know, I always suspected it but I was never quite sure. You know? Thanks for the info!"
As far as my comment above, the word "fun" is subjective so.... who knows? Maybe you would find satanists to be tons of fun. Or you may have a better imagination than mine. I have no idea. Why don't you should try it out and let me know? Or, if you already have first hand knowledge, let us know so we can benefit from your experience. All I know is that they were not my cup of tea. And I don't even drink tea, so I should have known from the beginning.
I know a few Satanists and they seem like well-educated, down to earth people. Aside from the dog example, why would you accept something without knowing whether it is definitely true or if it had evidence? Otherwise, you might as well believe everything you hear, whether bull or not.
Here in Greece we had a wave of young Satanists that sacrificed 3 Virgins in the name of Satan,how can this be good..?Additionally i would condemn every religion that would promote sacrificing and killing in the name of a superior Being (that is logically non-existent)..So not only Satanism is bad but every religion that tries to make believers act violently is for me rather disturbing
If you would so kindly read the website that I conveniently provided for you, you will realise that there is nothing about sacrificing anyone. It's just fanatical lunatics who sacrifice people, like Christians (joke intended).
I'm a Christian a Buddhist and a Satanist, because I believe that true balance can only be found through accepting God and Satan into my life. If I don't accept what is there, the Yin(Satan) and the Yang(God), then there will always be conflict. Satan and God is in all of us and fighting them is what makes us lose control. Embrace them both if you wish to find true happiness.
You can't just pick and mix the religions that you like. You can live by different morals, sure, but you can't just say that you are a Christian just because you believe in God, because that could be any God. You'd need to follow the Christian lifestyle to be Christian, which would likely contradict to another religion that you also want to follow so you can't live by the other.
Well Christianity and Satanism contradict each other. How you didn't pick that up? Christianity teaches abstinence, Satanism indulgence. Christianity teaches forgiveness, Satanism vengeance. Using these simple rules of each religion, how can you be a Christian and a Satanist at the same time? As for Buddhism, there is no God (Buddha wasn't a god) they worship, so contradicts Christianity, essentially.
I didn't say they weren't allowed to worship God, I said they 'don't' worship a God. So if you worshipped a God in another religion you would thereby be contradicting Buddhism.
First course, For it to contradict Buddhism I would have to do something the opposite of what I should or shouldn't be doing. If Buddhism doesn't specify that I shouldn't worship a God, then worshipping a God is completely allowed and therefore isn't a contradiction.
It doesn't make any sense to say that doing something in addition to something means that I am being contradictory.
It's debatable as to whether Buddhism is a religion. A religion can count as anything whether God worshipping or devoting a large amount of time to it, which Buddhists do. Worshipping a God does sort of contradict Buddhism because most of the practices involved are for personal development and not for the worship of a deity. So if you believe in and worship a deity, such as the Christian God, then you are not specifically adhering to the Buddhist practice.
Again, going back to picking and mixing different religions, just because you think that different aspects of certain religions correlate with your thoughts doesn't mean that you are all of those religions. I could say that I am a Christian just because I think I am going to go to heaven and a Satanist because I believe in indulgence and not abstinence. However, the two religions contradict each other because in Christianity you are awarded the pass to Heaven through abstinence and following the word of God but if I am doing what Satanism states then how can I go to Heaven?
It's debatable as to whether Buddhism is a religion.
No it isn't. Religion is defined, basically, as God worship. Plain and simple.
There is literally nothing to argue about it.
Buddhism is not a religion.
So if you believe in and worship a deity, such as the Christian God, then you are not specifically adhering to the Buddhist practice.
How does doing X in addition to Y, cause a contradiction?
You are right, I am not specifically adhering to Buddhist practice.
You are wrong to say that, because I am not specifically adhering to Buddhist practice, then I'm not a Buddhist.
Kid goes to school, Kid goes home and plays video games.
By your illogic, the kid can't do both because he isn't specifically adhering to one.
Also, Buddhism teaches that you should do what makes you happy as long as it doesn't cause problems in your life. If being a Christian makes me happy and isn't detrimental, then becoming that would be adhering to Buddhist practices.
However, the two religions contradict each other because in Christianity you are awarded the pass to Heaven through abstinence and following the word of God but if I am doing what Satanism states then how can I go to Heaven?
Provide a bible verse(s) that state, that the underlined claim is the only way to get to heaven.
As mentioned on a previous debate, you have included some mutually exclusive religions. One can incorporate aspects of Satanism and Christianity into their beliefs, for example, but one can not legitimately hold to Christianity while being a Satanist. As for Buddhism, that depends on the school of Buddhism you adhere to, I would suppose.
Did you not see the mutual exclusivity demonstrated in the questions mentioned above?
Does a Christian Buddhist believe they go to heaven, or are reincarnated? Does a Christian Satanist believe that Lucifer is the root of all evil, or in essence a patsy?
Because if one is reincarnated, they continue to exist on this plane, Earth. If one goes to Heaven, they don't.
I see no mutual exclusivity here. One can worship something that they consider evil.
Worship: "the act of showing respect and love for a god especially by praying with other people who believe in the same god : the act of worshipping God or a god
: excessive admiration for someone"
Respect: : "a feeling of admiring someone or something that is good, valuable, important, etc."
So if you consider something evil, how can you feel they are good?
On that web page, it never states any bible verse that says no reincarnation.
As a matter of fact, it says that you can reincarnate until you reach enlightenment, which then you ascend to the divine all. I interpret the divine all as heaven.
So I'm guessing your argument is that you "honor" Satan because you feel he is important
I like the Tao myself. Even read the Tao te Ching once in awhile.
If there is any sort of god, which I doubt, it is a Deist and non-personal entity, of the Taoist variety.
As far as Buddhism, I find it to be more of a guideline and philosophy for living than a religion. Though I DO realize it is considered by most to be the latter.
I also read Buddha quotes (Siddartha Gautama) form time to time.
As far as Satanism, most of those people or simply full of shit. Recovering Catholics; people pissed at god because he did not put forth like some Cosmic Vending Machine, or little goth girls pissed at Daddy because he didn't pay enough attention to them. Or maybe he paid too much? LOL
Take some Randian ethos like Objectivism and toss in some hoodoo Satan cum Gothic bullshit and you get a good idea of what the CoS is about.
But I DO maintain that the Nine Satanic Sins as well as the Nine Satanic Statement are both far more useful for living and learning in our modern world than the 10 Commandments, from that other religion. (Those commandments suck: hell, the first FOUR of 'em are nothing but silly warnings from the murderous and petty Yawheh, exhorting his people to blindly follow him, and him alone. Or else! LOL.
Thank you very much I for one do believe in the Angel of Lucifer, the Devil, Satan whatever you want to call him he is my GOD and i believe in the christian god i just don't give a fuck about the christian god no offense Christians
Thank you for actually stating facts, whether you read the theories on the CoS website that I provided or not. Satanists don't worship Satan, weirdos do.
Satanism and especially Anton Lavey's CoS have been given an absurdly distorted and just plain "bad" rap from its very inception. A great deal of the blame for this can be put on the media, and even more so, Hollywood. Witness, all that woo about blood sacrifice and baby killing mentioned in the OP. Trust me, that stuff just doesn't happen.
It's also a misnomer to say that Satanists worship the Devil. Or Satan. When in fact, they worship nobody, or anything. They merely use the icon of the Devil as a sort of 'mascot." In order to convey their belief in questioning authority, bowing to nobody. Espousing personal freedom and individuality and self-sufficient. And, sure, hedonism and unbridled enjoyment of vices, so long as nobody gets hurt and its all among consenting adults.
LaVey was a big Ayn Rand fan, and in fact many say that his while CoS ideology is little more than gussied-up Randian Objectivism. If you bother to read either the Nine Satanic Sins or the Nine Satanic Statements, you can see an undeniable Randian flavor to them all.
Contrary to popular belief, the CoS also believes in love and tolerance and helping others. But to only those who merit it. They draw the line short of loving their enemies, however. Feeling that those who threaten you or yours should be dealt with quickly and harshly.
I find myself in agreement with the majority of their dogma. For more so than I am with Judaeo-Christian tenets.
As far as the philosophical form of Satanism goes, it is completely fine. It is just like any other life-long philosophical ideology anyone else decides to follow. They live by a rule of conduct and generally cause no harm or disobedience to anyone. The form of Satanism that actually believes in Lucifer and other magical things associated with biblical teachings is as much rubbish as any other religion.
Satanists are not evil. I have done research of the religion and they do not worship evil. They actually believe that people should be free to worship and not be under the chains of Christianity.
