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What is your opinion on U.S. immigration?

All Things Immigration

 

  • Illegal Immigrants 
  • Amnesty 
  • Limits on Legal Immigration 
  • Anything relating to Immigration that you can think of 
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4 points

People should be allowed to immigrate to the US, but only if they do so legally. Amnesty should not be given to those who come here illegally. They should be sent back. Those who come here should be skilled at something and should learn to speak English enough to get by as well as they should all pay taxes.

Side: ITS OKAY AS LONG AS ITS LEGAL
2 points

I agree with everything except the amount of legal immigration should be limited.

Side: ITS OKAY AS LONG AS ITS LEGAL
1 point

I agree that only certain amounts of people should be allowed to immigrate, plus the should not have criminal records.

Side: ITS OKAY AS LONG AS ITS LEGAL
Mahollinder(893) Disputed
1 point

I agree with everything except the amount of legal immigration should be limited.

Why should it be limited and what would the limit be?

Side: ITS OKAY AS LONG AS ITS LEGAL
Pineapple(1448) Disputed
1 point

Legality I agree with. But why do they have to learn English? Why can we kick them out if they do something illegal? Why do they have to be skilled at something?

Either we treat immigrants as equals and grant them full citizenship, or we treat them as second class citizens. That doesn't sound right to me. Once someone immigrates they should be able to live just like any other citizen. Freedom of speech would dictate they can speak whatever language they please. They can break the law if they wish, and be punished for it, too. And I doubt every American is skilled at something... we need people to fill labor jobs, and they would have the opportunity to pursue school here.

Side: ITS OKAY AS LONG AS ITS LEGAL
pvtNobody(642) Disputed
1 point

An immigrant is not a citizen. There is a process to becoming a citizen and if an immigrant is causing trouble and hasn't bothered to become a citizen then they should be deported. Especially considering how expensive resorts...err prisons, are now. I agree, however, that there should not be any requirements for specific skills or lingual abilities. If they can't find a job however, then they cannot be allowed to become burdens to society. There are enough citizens out of work that immigrants do have to be placed lower down on society's list of priorities. It's a sad reality but much of reality is. When hiring new employees employers should be required to consider citizens first, and only consider immigrants when there are no qualified Americans applying for the position, and by that I do mean that if an immigrant is better qualified (education, experience, etc.) he should be hired over an American less qualified but if the two are equally qualified citizenship should come first.

Side: ITS OKAY AS LONG AS ITS LEGAL

I'm a problem solver. I don't assign goodness or badness, that's a waste of time. Here's my solution:

1. Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border (don't bother building a fence).

2. Send the dirt to New Orleans to raise the level of the levees.

3. As the ocean levels raise, due to global warming, the moat will fill up.

4. Befriend Southeast Asia and Northern Australia by taking all of their salt water crocodiles and putting them in the moat along the Mexican border. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltwater_Crocodile

Any other problems you would like for me to solve today? ;)

Side: think of solutions
2 points

The problems people usually have with illegal immigrants is that they collect social benefits, but don't pay taxes. Isn't the most logical argument then to give them all amnesty and citizenship?

I am removing all emotional and moral arguments from this and examining it from a purely economic standpoint. So who deserves what, and what is fair, is irrelevant.

Right now there are millions of illegal immigrants who are not paying taxes on their income and who are benefiting from taxes of citizens. Let's think of the possible remedies to this situation.

1) We deport all of them

2) We grant them all amnesty and citizenship

Clearly the first solution is impossible. We spend a lot of money on trying to prevent illegal immigrants from entering and trying to get rid of them and clearly the idea is fundamentally flawed. So if the enforcement plan doesn't work, the only other possible solution is amnesty.

Side: Amnesty
JakeJ(3255) Disputed
1 point

" I am removing all emotional and moral arguments from this and examining it from a purely economic standpoint. "

.......... ...... why?

Side: ITS OKAY AS LONG AS ITS LEGAL
1 point

I can add emotional and moral arguments if you want, but I consider emotional arguments weaker than logical arguments and consequently they are much easier to refute as they are based on opinion not fact. "I think it's fair to allow them to become citizens." "Well they didn't come here legally so it's not." No one is right because it's just your opinion. Whereas if I talk it about from an economic standpoint we can actually analyze the truth value.

Side: Amnesty

It is perfectly fine, but I believe that the United States should return to having quotas as they did during WWII. This country is already overpopulated when you take a look at school, jobs, and the community, we dont need millions of people coming to our country to force us to expand into places that could contain very important natural resources.

Side: Compromise
2 points

I think Obama's plan is a good compromise on this issue. Crack down on illegal immigration while at the same time giving a fair path to citizenship for the illegals that are already here.

Obama on immigration
Side: Obama's compromise
1 point

THe U.S. immigrantion is a joke.

The U.S. immigration tells me that the government is very very corrupt.

I mean come on, why let criminals come in? They clearly do not care for the country no more, yet posing as they do.

Side: Obama's compromise
1 point

America is America because of immigrants, so bring 'em over! But follow the damn laws. It's not that hard.

Also, how come Australia has strict immigration laws? At least, I've heard that if you want to move there, you can't unless it's because of your job or for school or something...

Side: Obama's compromise
1 point

I'll start by saying that law is a shitty thing... it's always either black or white and never considers a gray area.

1. Illegal immigrants can be good for cheap labor. So the illegals already here who do not apply for a green card can provide a necessary service.

2. No one should be obligated to speak English when coming hear. But, no one should be obligated to serve or help someone who they do not understand.

3. Borders should be enforced mainly because drug dealers and terrorists get through those borders as well. Also, we still have to enforce the law for basic reasons. It's easier to keep track of people when they're legal.

4. Any immigrant who commits a crime must first, serve their time and second, be deported.

5. Lets try to remember that as long as you're illegal, you're breaking the law. You should not expect any American rights except for a fair trial. You are not American. Just remember. And, if one comes here illegally, it should not be impossible to obtain a green card or citizenship.

6. Anyone who comes here legally should be treated fairly. And when they become citizens, should be considered full on Americans and nothing less.

6 basic, logical principles on immigration that should make things much easier.

Side: think of solutions

I don't believe there should ever be a limit on the amount of immigrants applying to this country for citizenship. All should be welcome here so long as they abide by the laws of this country and do their best to fit into the mainstream of life here, which includes learning the language. Immigrants built this country and continue to do so as they join the labor forces here.

Immigrants are not our enemies...it's the way they are handled that is. The immigration process should also ensure that the person cannot be deported for anything but illegal activity while their applications are in good standing. The process also needs to be much shorter than it is today. As I've said on other debates about this subject, I know people who have waited 17-18 years for their citizenship to come through. ESL should be mandatory and enlisting your children into the school process should also be mandatory. Checking in every 3-4 months should also be mandatory lest we lose track of people while they move about.

If we were a more welcoming country perhaps we wouldn't have to deal with the high number of illegal immigrants we see on the news and read about in the newspapers!

Side: Amnesty
1 point

Immigration laws are stupid. It takes years for people in foreign countries to get visas and citizenship legally, but it only takes an evening to get here illegally. Immigration laws need to be changed so that entering the U.S. legally is way more good-looking than coming illegally.

Side: Overhaul the whole thing
1 point

Being from FL a state that was founded by an immigrant... and being of parents that are Irish and Puerto Rican (a territory of the US) all my heritage is from IMMIGRANTS like 99.9% of all of us writing and arguing a point. I believe we need to device a plan that will allow illegal immigrants that have been here a certain lenght of time to follow a process to bring them into legal status so that they can pay taxes just like us that are so called Americans and putting a limitation by years on who they and when they can bring a family member over. I believe they are profitable to our ecomony and that without them, regradless on what politicians and news media would hype up people to believe, we would suffer a greater economic downfall.

Side: Overhaul the whole thing
1 point

Being from FL a state that was founded by an immigrant... and being of parents that are Irish and Puerto Rican (a territory of the US) all my heritage is from IMMIGRANTS like 99.9% of all of us writing and arguing a point. I believe we need to device a plan that will allow illegal immigrants that have been here a certain length of time to follow a process to bring them into legal status so that they can pay taxes just like us that are so called Americans and putting a limitation by years on who they and when they can bring a family member over. I believe they are profitable to our economy and that without them, regardless on what politicians and news media would hype up people to believe, we would suffer a greater economic downfall.

Side: Overhaul the whole thing
1 point

Illegal is illegal...how dare these people put their children through this! They are making us responsible for their problems and it's costing us a fortune to take care of these thousands of illegal immigrants. If their country is so dangerous, why don't we, instead of housing, feeding, clothing and medically treating them, use that money to send the military to their country and get rid of the dangers so they can live in their own country peacefully. We already have starving, homeless, hungry people in our country and need to take care of them. We already have many dangers here in our country, we don't need more and believe me, getting overrun with people will cause more and more trouble. Let's help these people return to their homes in their country without living in fear.

Side: Overhaul the whole thing
1 point

It is insane that the US government does such an unplanned, slipshod job of immigration.

US immigration policy needs to be based primarily on what is good for the citizens of the United States. That means that, among other things, the policy needs to be based on a clear idea of the optimal US population.

When I was in high school, the US was 164 million people, and environmentalists were pushing for zero population growth because of concerns about urban sprawl, environmental impact, preservation of natural spaces. At the same time other people were concerned about economic requirements, infrastructure adequacy, energy supply.

The US now has twice that population and there is still no target number.

Nobody has bothered to answer the question that should drive the policy.

My opinion about immigration is that it is irresponsible to continue to admit immigrants blindly and without any clear idea of what the nation needs, or the limits of what is good for all the people who are already here.

Side: Overhaul the whole thing

Immigration is completely fine, so long as said immigrants come to the United States legally. Amnesty shouldn't be given to people who come to my country illegally, because it's illegal. It's insane to me that criminals are humanized by people on both sides of the political spectrum. If illegals are caught at the border, just send them back. We don't need to bring them into the country.

Side: Overhaul the whole thing
0 points

With the exception of Native Americans perhaps, many if not most Americans are descendents of immigrants, slaves, or naturalized citizens. When one considers the Trail of Tears, the concept of Manifest Destiny, and early efforts toward westward expansion, we have to admit that European colonization (immigration?) was not always implemented in a favorable manner, and the earliest inhabitants of this country were not consistently treated honorably. Ironically, this country has been built on the backs of slaves, the disenfranchised, and immigrants. Despite the stains on our history, America's evolution as a country has been successful, in part, because the goal of our forefathers was to build a nation based on principles like freedom, equality, democracy, and the pursuit of happiness, etc. The blessings that we enjoy today AND our continued success requires that we, as the posterity of our forefathers, extend the same opportunities to the "tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free." Those of us who were lucky enough to be born here might want to remember that had we not been so lucky, we might have been born into circumstances that would force us to seek what America has to offer. Obviously, reform is needed, yet reform has to yield a process that is efficient, fair, equitable, and responsible. Currently, the road to citizenship-for those who seek citizenship-is often difficult. Economic problems, poverty, dealing with the bureaucracy's red tape and sheer desperation make immigration a complex issue. On top of that, America's recognition of her own misdeeds and her responsibility to model mercy to the rest of the world has justifiably created a reluctance to limit immigration.

I still believe that the phrase "In God we trust" blazoned across the penny should serve as a reminder that those fleeing persecution, oppression, and hope for a better life, often leave their countries hoping to arrive in a land whose people share that trust. Handling immigration is a complex issue, but the solution has to involve treating our fellow human beings in the same manner we would want extended to us if we were in dire straights.

Side: Immigration is a COMPLEX issue
marcusmoon(586) Clarified
1 point

Handling immigration is a complex issue, but the solution has to involve treating our fellow human beings in the same manner we would want extended to us if we were in dire straights.

It is foolish to base immigration policy on what is good for people who want to come to the US. This is especially true because there are tens of millions, possibly hundreds of millions of people who want to come here.

Seriously, ask the Indians how well uncontrolled immigration worked out for them.

Side: Immigration is a COMPLEX issue