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 What law is the best, most functional, or most morally valid law? (35)

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What law is the best, most functional, or most morally valid law?

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Freedom of speech. It's the one freedom that drives libs banana sandwich. Being able to think and speak for yourself.

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2nd Amendment. You enter my house, I help you not enter another house. I protect your next victim.

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The Electoral College. It gives every part of the country a say in politics.

In order to establish that you would need a way to quantify the value of a law. Secondly, morality is very subjective and you would also have to find a way to make morality absolute. You could potentially establish this by seeing which laws have endured the test of time and culture, and as it turns out - incest being objectionable - is among the few that have.

Amarel(4987) Clarified
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In order to establish that you would need a way to quantify the value of a law.

I don’t see a need for quantification. One merely needs to demonstrate in general terms that a law is better than or worse than some other law according to some chosen standard.

Secondly, morality is very subjective

So is eyesight, but we can demonstrate that some see better than others

you would also have to find a way to make morality absolute

Would you mind clarifying that statement?

incest being objectionable - is among the few that have.

There are also crimes against people, such as assault and murder, and crimes against property, such as theft.

JoseAguacate(95) Clarified
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according to some chosen standard.

Yes, but that standard is essentially arbitrary, not objective.

So is eyesight, but we can demonstrate that some see better than others

There's an objective way to test your ability to see, every test measures a very specific aspect of vision (like visual acuity measuring refraction errors in the eyeball). There's no such test for morality or laws.

Would you mind clarifying that statement?

Absolute morality is this idea that morality exists in the realm of - let's say - Newton's laws of motion. They are precise and unchanging and deviating from those moral laws means you are immoral. So my point is that until you find a concrete way to establish such morality, it is impossible to determine the "most morally valid law."

There are also crimes against people, such as assault and murder, and crimes against property, such as theft.

Right, but those aren't as universal as you think they are. The reasons for who should be killed for what (if at all), changes from culture to culture. What constitutes assault is never consistent among cultures, even if the concept exists at all. Same goes for property and theft.

outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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You wrote what ???????????????? Are you trying to sound intelligent ?????? Dummy is Rape and Murder questionable in your mind ????????????

Oh, hi outlaw. How's your day going?

Are you trying to sound intelligent ??????

No, even if I tried, I will never sound as intelligent as you.

Dummy is Rape and Murder questionable in your mind ????????????

The question being asked is about finding the "most morally valid law", not why we find certain things objectionable. So let me ask you this. What makes murder wrong?

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No contest. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If everyone followed this simple commandment, we wouldn't need any other laws.

Amarel(4987) Disputed
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If men were angels we wouldn’t need government. Even so, I disagree with your golden rule proposal. I would like if strangers bought me a beer, but I don’t feel that compels me to buy beer for strangers. I believe the silver rule would be more functional; do not do to others what you would not have done to you.

ArchonElite(336) Disputed
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Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Says the cunt who wants to shoot left wingers. Eat a wank you proto-fascist scuzz bucket.

jamesbody(267) Disputed
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No contest. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

You literally just threatened to kill Elizabeth Warren you deranged wingnut cunt.

Grugore(849) Disputed
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I never mentioned killing her. I merely stated that she needs to die.

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What law is the best, most functional, or most morally valid law?

Hello A:

We couldn't have civilized ourselves WITHOUT agreeing to certain behaviors... I dunno if we did that because it WORKS, or because it's GOOD..

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Amarel(4987) Clarified
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I dunno if we did that because it WORKS, or because it's GOOD.

Do you suppose these may not be mutually exclusive?

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Treat others as you want to treated , in theory it’s great in practice doing it consistently is difficult

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Income Tax.

Amarel(4987) Clarified
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Care to expand on that ?

Mingiwuwu(1481) Clarified
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Not unless you expand on the question that is the title of this debate.

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That's like asking what part of a car is most important. Is it the engine? The wheels? The chassis, the brakes, the steering, the transmission? They're all vital in different ways. Similarly, our system of checks and balances, of voting, freedom of press and religion and speech and to keep and bear arms, fair trial, the Uniform Code of Military Justice; no one of these can be seen as the "most important" because they are all imperative to the continued function of a free society.

Amarel(4987) Clarified
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Wheels. Wheels are the most important part. ..

Amarel(4987) Clarified
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Which laws pertain most specifically to the functionality of a free society? Could any of the other necessary aspects function if theft was acceptable? Or murder? Or hard substances?

What is the principle upon which those other structures rely for their just purposes?