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 What should be the top priority of the American government in the next decade or so? (26)

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What should be the top priority of the American government in the next decade or so?

Title says it all.

Personally, I'd probably say that global warming SHOULD be top priority because otherwise the human race is pretty much screwed, and ignoring it doesn't change that. But that's just me, and I am not educated on all the going on's in the world, and there are lots of other thigns to talk about.

What do you expect will be the talking points in the upcoming election, and what should be the talking points in the upcoming election?

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Go to a fair tax, while decreasing tax revenue by 11% - 14%. End the IRS

End deficit spending starting 2015.

Cut out the Dept. Of Education.

Cut out HUD

Return all federal lands to the States

Slash DOT to task of coordinating States efforts at transportation infrastructure.

Change Welfare as follows :

Government employed doctors certify who is really unable to do any kind of work.

Those recipients of welfare who can work must work to receive benefits.

flewk(1193) Disputed
1 point

http://www.cbpp.org/research/contrary-to-entitlement-society-rhetoric-over-nine-tenths-of-entitlement-benefits-go-to

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/12/18/3081791/welfare-recipient-spending/

Your proposed change to welfare will not change much considering the current recipient demographics.

Instead of cutting out entire programs, maybe reform them? Stability is fairly important to a country.

daver(1771) Clarified
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Your first link is to a liberal website that calls SS an entitlement program, thus distorting their findings.

The next link is to another liberal website, who makes claim that our welfare system has helped the poor.

I have never seen a benefit from the DOE. Are there any.

To me effective tax reform, is really starting over. The IRS would simply be obsolete.

Jace(5222) Disputed
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What exactly do you mean by "fair tax"? And who do you think would be collecting it if you abolish the IRS? If you mean to suggest that somehow the state IRS branches would continue to operate independent of the larger IRS system I am mildly incredulous, but more importantly I wonder where you think the federal government ought to get its funding from. Besides, Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution permits federal taxation so the IRS does not strike me as inherently problematic even if it could use reformation.

Sudden drastic reductions in the budget would have terrible if not catastrophic repercussions. Individuals, businesses, and all levels of government need more time than a matter of months to accommodate significant alterations in finances.

Why exactly do you want to cut HUD?

Most federal lands ought to be returned to the states, but I would suggest that there may be some case by case situations where such holdings are valid (ranging from military to environmental or otherwise). There are some states in particular where federal holdings are particularly out of hand though, and unjustifiably so.

DOT could certainly be scaled back, though I lack the knowledge to assess whether I would scale it back quite so thoroughly.

You are conflating welfare with disability, and while the latter frequently correlates with the former not all cases of the former correspond with the latter. Welfare might be extended to those who cannot find employment for any reason, but particularly due to a weak economy with high unemployment as well as criminal history which is fairly prevalent due to excessive incarceration practices nationwide. Not everyone who wants to work can work in a bad economy, including those who are qualified with clean histories. And there are those who do work but who still receive government aid because working does not guarantee making a living wage in this country.

Out of curiosity... How do you feel about slashing the prison system back, repealing and/or reducing drug laws at the federal and state levels, reducing military expenses, demilitarizing local police forces, etc. These also feel like wasteful spending at best, and I am curious as to your stance on the matters.

I'd say the best thing our government could do right now would be to grant clearance to a group of independent contractors chosen by popular vote, kept under strict NDA to take the entirety of the decade to do an exhaustive cost/benefit anaylsis of everything the government has its hands in, and assisting in coming up with ways to improve the efficiency of the wasteful areas, or eliminate them where preferable and possible.

Jace(5222) Clarified
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Exactly where would one find these magical independent contractors?

More importantly, if such a body could be formed would their advice be heeded and implemented despite political realities that are oppositional to them?

Further, would such a body be allowed to evaluate costs/benefits beyond traditional economic conceptions (e.g. GDP, etc.)?

thousandin1(1931) Clarified
1 point

Exactly where would one find these magical independent contractors?

If you want to have a discussion, you will drop the condescending tone. "Magical independent contractors" indeed. How pretentious of you.

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The talking points in the forthcoming election will likely center upon relative non-issues and avoid addressing anything of substance. Things such as abortion, same-sex marriage, grossly over-simplified views on taxation and unemployment, fallacious partisan accusations, etc.

Issues of actual importance would be things like the expanding wealth divide, environmental and resource insecurity, militarization, excessive incarceration, etc.

Beyond those issues I think we are in dire need of a more extreme restructuring. A dissolution of federal powers back to the states, departure from the divisive and ineffectual two-party model, and reconfiguration of the (inter)national economy to account for hidden costs would lead my list.

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Let the druggies out of jail and reduce the amount spent on jails.

Jace(5222) Clarified
1 point

This seems so obvious I do not even understand why so few people grasp its simplicity. Then I remember what prison industrial complex means in the context of a mostly passive, ignorant electorate...

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It is also so weird how so many people think it is such a terrible thing when someone puts substances into their own body.

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To make the USA self-sufficient. Right now this country is entirely dependent on other countries to manufacture goods, try to buy American.

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What can the US government do to help improve this problem? That feels more like a goal for businesses/consumers.

Jace(5222) Clarified
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Then you support alternative energy investment and fiscal deterrents for traditional energy such as coal and oil, right? You also support restrictive international trade and business policy that limits importation and requires domestic hiring quotas and headquartering for tax purposes, right? Or did you have some other suggestions beyond the more tried and true approaches? Advocating self-sufficiency is one thing, but being willing to endorse the policies necessary to realize that goal is something else altogether.

Your notion of self-sufficiency is also a bit naive. The US did not arrive where it did unintentionally. We outsource our production while limiting our advocacy for working conditions abroad in order to drive down consumer costs, and we use our military might and consumption power to maintain our dominance over our countries of production. Rather simple, actually, and even strategically and ethically defensible depending on our perspective (not a view I personally hold, for the record).

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1. Simplify the tax code. A flat tax rate with no deductions would be an improvement over the clusterf##k we have today. Eliminate the distinction between capital gains and income. Eliminate the tax cap on social security.

2. Entitlement reform. Replacing welfare with workfare for all able-bodied people. Somehow effectively help people out of poverty.

3. Allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices with pharmaceutical companies.

4. End the war on drugs.

5. Eliminate deficit spending.

6. Eliminate gerrymandering.

7. Overturn the Citizens United ruling.

Jace(5222) Clarified
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1. While the current tax system of inefficiently complex, there is something to be said against going to the opposite extreme of over-simplification. The reality is that a flat tax rate does not affect all income brackets equally, and that there are very real economic and social costs to that inequity of effect.

2. While social support infrastructure needs reconfiguration, I am not entirely sure what you are suggesting let alone if it would work. Welfare is not exclusively for the employed, and unemployment checks already require recipients to be actively applying for employment. If by "workfare" you mean to suggest supplementing wages I would suggest that this is coddling unstable and nonviable businesses to the detriment of the strength of our economy with limited returns for the working force.

3. Agreed.

4. Agreed, except that production and distribution of legitimately harmful drugs ought still to be targeted at its higher levels.

5. This seems idealistic, but not necessarily practical over the course of a decade. Any suggestions as to how this might be done without incurring more harm than benefit?

6. Agreed, although removing the redistricting process from political/financial interest would be an incredibly challenging task. To me the effort required for the return places this rather lower down on my priority list personally.

7. Agreed, although I would take it back even further and revoke corporate personhood altogether.

PhilboydStud(79) Clarified
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1. Moving to a flat tax would have many negative, short-term side affects. To mitigate these the move would need to be staged and perhaps quite gradual.

2. We need to figure out how to help people out of poverty, especially generational poverty. Almost certainly there are several factors that are to blame. I was suggesting we attempt to change peoples' patterns of behavior. Get them out doing something between 9 and 5. I was thinking only of welfare - not unemployment benefits. Workfare would require all able-bodied people to do work no one else is doing. If nothing else, fixing up homes, picking up trash, etc. This is just one idea though. We will probably need many more.

4. I agree with your clarification. Again, perhaps a staged approach would be useful. Start with the less harmful, less addictive drugs first, evaluate the consequences, then adjust the plan.

5. Perhaps idealistic, but not necessarily unrealistic. How about indexing the flat rate tax percentage? The more we spend, the higher the flat tax rate. Right now there is an apparent disconnect between government outlays and revenues. I fear this could have dire consequences. Disclaimer: If/when WWIII starts, we could resume deficit spending.

6. I wouldn't think redistricting would be that difficult. Being an engineering-type, I look at it as a mathematical (geometrical) problem. Don't let any district's shape get too wonky.

7. I couldn't agree more.

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I believe the top priority should always be education of the electorate. Everything else depends on an informed voter (also government officials).

It would depend on the bureaucracy to carry out any meaningful reform, so I guess the main focus should be government bureaucracy. Then again, I did say that better education will improve the bureaucracy as well. Chicken and egg.

Jace(5222) Clarified
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An educated electorate is anathema to the status quo in politics and governance. Nor is it likely to gain traction any time soon, given that the uneducated/unintelligent majority does not know enough to demand it.

Government bureaucracy benefits the people most capable of dismantling it, which makes meaningful reform through this tract rather unlikely though in my estimation considerably more probable than attaining an intelligent populace. A dissolution of federal powers back to the states and the (re)localization of power would render governmental bureaucracy more susceptible to deconstruction.

flewk(1193) Clarified
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A dissolution of federal powers back to the states and the (re)localization of power would render governmental bureaucracy more susceptible to deconstruction.

While a smaller bureaucracy would certainly be easier to manage and regulate, many of the states have corrupt and giant bureaucracies. Many of the states can no longer function independently. With California producing a majority of the fruits/vegetables, it would have influence over all other states that currently rely on its interstate commerce. I do not see the possibility of dissolution except through civil war. Don't forget the giant lobbies that already influence politics from grass roots all the way to the presidency. The dissolution of the federal government just creates a void. There should be no need to remind you what happens when a dynasty ends.

An educated electorate is anathema to the status quo in politics and governance. Nor is it likely to gain traction any time soon, given that the uneducated/unintelligent majority does not know enough to demand it.

I disagree with you here. I think people, even the uneducated, believe an education is not only beneficial but fundamental. The current issue seems to be academics vs trade skills; ivy league vs blue collar. Both are still forms of education and rely on the fundamentals of language and math which are essential to critical thinking.

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1. Simplify the tax code. A flat tax rate.

2. Entitlement reform. Government employed doctors certify who is really unable to do any kind of work. Those recipients of welfare who can work must work to receive benefits.

4. End the war on drugs.

5. Eliminate deficit spending. Take Georgia for an example: implement a balanced budget law - constitutional amendment maybe?

6. Put an end gerrymandering.

7. Eliminate the US D.o.Edu.

8. Remove DOT and leave coordinating to the States.

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We should give up on all global warming initiatives.

If the sun is responsible for GW, then there's little we can do and we could save a lot of money and spend it on something else, like giant umbrellas that block UV light.

If the problem is man made, then we need to get rid of people to reduce the problem. If we do nothing, it will get worse, people will die and the problem will correct itself.

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Welfare for the poor and disabled. I believe in helping people like that.

1 point

Who needs to be helped that isn't currently getting help?

Sitar(3680) Clarified
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In the conservative states, cuts are being made to welfare, education, and so on. Conservatives always scream "not my wallet" when liberals try to help the poor.

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Better education system. Don't just throw money at the problem. Highest spending per capita in the world has done nothing and will continue to do nothing.

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We should stop all liberal initiatives. This would free up funds for other, worthwhile, projects.

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Like bombing brown people?

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You and I both know that our job depends on bombing brown people. I've come to terms with it. Have you?