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Dismissive of covid-19 dangers Compulsive lying.
Debate Score:24
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What was the the main contributory factor in Trump's downfall?

Trump meant well and wasn't without his successes, but he did turn the highest office in the land into a type of circus in which he was the 'Ring master' bellowing orders to everyone.

Dismissive of covid-19 dangers

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Compulsive lying.

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2 points

The arrogant bastards told us to our faces what his downfall was. Them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/?amp

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2 points

Trump never meant well. He only was in it for himself and the fact that his lies are still believed without even a smidge of actual evidence is astounding. He dismissed Covid, and decided throwing a tantrum for losing was more important than trying to help and save millions of Americans. Even now his followers went to a parade for him, maskless.

His greatest downfall was himself and he'll never understand that.

Side: Dismissive of covid-19 dangers
Mongele(486) Clarified
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Many good points expressed there, but could you please guide me on a few angles.

Bearing in mind that the thrust of the thread was, why Trump lost the election and not about his wild allegations after the results showed he'd lost.

What were the falsehoods he told which were unfounded during his term in office?

What exactly did he do or say during his tenure that damaged or harmed America?

Trump was a lose cannon and our trade competitors and potential military adversaries were wary of him and recognized that he wasn't going to be an easy pushover or bend to veiled, or not so veiled threats.

There is no doubt that his initial approach to covid-19 was bordering on criminal negligence and I feel it was this specific issue which caused a substantial drop in supporter numbers.

I firmly believe that the best man for America won the election, but note with some curiosity why people are so gratuitously critical of everything Trump ever did or said.

Like many politicians he was/is a megalomaniac narcissist but despite these all too common character flaws he undoubtedly acted in a manner that he sincerely believed to be in the best interests of the Nation.

Can the anti-Trump brigade not find it in themselves to recognise that, after the promotion of his own ego, the man was trying to do what he genuinely thought was best for the United States and did achieve many successes.

To dismiss out of hand every one of his actions and statements is, in my humble opinion, blind, petty spitefulness* and very uncharacteristic of the American psyche'.

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Mongele(486) Clarified
1 point

It's very strange that every time I ask people to list all the things Trump did to damage the U.S., I never get an acceptable answer.

Why can't people be honest and simply say;- I don't like Trump so anything he says or does is bad and evil.

Side: Dismissive of covid-19 dangers
1 point

Trump's biggest miscalculation was the severity of Covid-19 and his reluctance to implement all the available measures necessary to minimize its deadly impact.

Side: Dismissive of covid-19 dangers
DrChamberlin(33) Disputed
1 point

Well that, and the fact that the democrats kept battling him at each turn, simply to keep him from getting such measures implemented. Not only that, but he allowed the states to follow their own measures, and left the decisions up to their governors. Which was not a bad move on his call, but it left room for people like Cuomo to just throw peoples lives to the fire, and not care for the repercussions.

Side: Compulsive lying.
1 point

Trump never meant well. He only was in it for himself and the fact that his lies are still believed without even a smidge of actual evidence is astounding. He dismissed Covid, and decided throwing a tantrum for losing was more important than trying to help and save millions of Americans. Even now his followers went to a parade for him, maskless.

His greatest downfall was himself and he'll never understand that.

Side: Dismissive of covid-19 dangers
2 points

What was the the main contributory factor in Trump's downfall?

Trying to bring 1930s German fascism to 21st century America. With that he created a fierce divide between people who have been educated about the rise of fascism and those who have not.

Side: Compulsive lying.
2 points

@- Hootie - I completely agree with what you've said. I despise Trump but I stand in awe of his accomplishments. He's the greatest con man in the history of the world. He decided to pretend to run for President only to get himself some brand name (Trump) recognition and along the way he discovered a loyal following of idiots which evolved into a cult which he encouraged. That cult following catapulted him into the White House. He did that despite the fact that he had decades long close associations with both the American Mob and the Russian mob and was a terrible businessman and employer.

There is a lot more of course but when you stand back at look at this scum bag objectively it really is an amazing story.

Side: Compulsive lying.
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Hootie - I completely agree with what you've said. I despise Trump but I stand in awe of his accomplishments. He's the greatest con man in the history of the world. He decided to pretend to run for President only to get himself some brand name (Trump) recognition and along the way he discovered a loyal following of idiots which evolved into a cult which he encouraged.

I completely agree with you too buddy. You and I have almost identical opinions on most stuff. It's kind of spooky. Lol.

Side: Compulsive lying.
2 points

Perhaps it was the "Shadow campaign", described in the Time magazine as such:

"The participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dream — a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information"

Side: Compulsive lying.
Mongele(486) Clarified
1 point

Good theory, but I feel that Biden's landslide could not have been engineered by such a, near subliminal type manipulation of the minds and voting patterns of so many people.

My own theory is that it was Trump's heedless approach to Covid-19 which lost him his popularity.

Side: Dismissive of covid-19 dangers
Nomoturtle(811) Clarified
0 points

A lot of it wasn't subliminal, and regardless shouldn't be understated. For example Biden's China scandal was suppressed, 10% of polled Biden voters said they wouldn't have voted for him had they known about it. Already that's potentially enough to sway the result. And yet that's just one of many instances of interference.

Side: Dismissive of covid-19 dangers
1 point

Trump's pathological or habitual lying meant that very few trusted as being accurate anything he said.

Side: Compulsive lying.
Rusticus(809) Disputed
2 points

@ - Mongele - I'm afraid I have to disagree with your comment because tens of millions of idiots do believe every single lying word that flops out of Trump's pie hole and that's the very reason Trump still has so much power that the GOP is terrified of him.

Side: Dismissive of covid-19 dangers
Mongele(486) Clarified
1 point

Not the most popular of our Presidents I note.

He's a dangerous and unpredictable man who, even now should be treated with care.

Left to his own devices he'll probably go into a tantrum spin and disappear up his own ass.

Side: Dismissive of covid-19 dangers