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Debate Score:96
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When does the left think it becomes Trump's economy?

Only if it goes down

Side Score: 38
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If it goes up, never

Side Score: 58
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When does the left think it becomes Trump's economy?

Hello Levin:

When he DOES something to effect it.. He's done NOTHING but give the rich a tax cut which they didn't need..

Right NOW, it's Obama's economy and it's ROARING along.. Trump is just riding on Obama's coattails..

Would a chart help? Nahhh. But, here it is anyway..

https://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-average-last-10-years

excon

Side: Only if it goes down
LevinTV(195) Disputed
1 point

He's done NOTHING but give the rich a tax cut which they didn't need..

You are conjecturing based on the idea that corporations getting tax relief does not result in bonuses, raises, and hiring, all of which end in more tax revenue than if you overtaxed the corporation and they left the country or state.

Side: If it goes up, never
excon(14666) Disputed
1 point

You are conjecturing based on the idea that corporations getting tax relief does not result in bonuses, raises, and hiring,

Hello again, Levin:

It's true, if that woulda happened.. But, it didn't.. Corporations used that money to buyback their stock.

How do you not know this shit??

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ 2018/3/22/17144870/stock-buybacks-republican-tax-cuts

excon

Side: Only if it goes down
LevinTV(195) Disputed
1 point

Right NOW, it's Obama's economy and it's ROARING along..

The fallacy with this line of thought is Obama's lowest unemployment numbers by the same standard we get Trump's unemployment numbers was 9.3% unemployment. This comes from the fact that the left wing media holds behind it's back the fact that Obama's numbers came from dropping people who gave up looking for work from the unemployment numbers. Trump's numbers do not do that, and are still lower.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/02/09/dont-be-fooled-the-obama-unemployment-rate-is-11/amp/

The conclusion is that unemployment has dropped 6% during this Presidency if we include those who have given up searching as still being unemployed. That is a dramatic plunge post Obama and not a steady pattern of decline over a decade.

Side: If it goes up, never
excon(14666) Disputed
1 point

The fallacy with this line of thought is Obama's lowest unemployment numbers by the same standard we get Trump's unemployment numbers was 9.3% unemployment.

Hello again, Levin:

The fallacy of your line of thought, is you IGNORE that Bush BROKE the economy.. He busted it into little bitty pieces, and left Obama to clean up his mess..

True - it DID take a while for the unemployment numbers to turn around - but turn around they did.

I say again, this is OBAMA'S economy and Trump is just a passenger..

excon

Side: Only if it goes down
LevinTV(195) Disputed
1 point

Don't Be Fooled, The Obama Unemployment Rate Is 11%

When Barack Obama entered office in January, 2009, the labor force participation rate was 65.7%, meaning nearly two-thirds of working age Americans were working or looking for work.

When the recession supposedly officially ended in June, 2009, the labor force participation rate was still 65.7%.

In the latest, much celebrated, unemployment report, the labor force participation rate had plummeted to 63.7%, the most rapid decline in U.S. history. That means that under President Obama nearly 5 million Americans have fled the workforce in hopeless despair.

The trick is that when those 5 million are not counted as in the work force, they are not counted as unemployed either. They may desperately need and want jobs. They may be in poverty, as many undoubtedly are, with America suffering today more people in poverty than in the entire half century the Census Bureau has been counting poverty. But they are not even counted in that 8.3% unemployment rate that Obama and his media cheerleaders were so tirelessly celebrating last week.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/02/09/dont-be-fooled-the-obama-unemployment-rate-is-11/amp/

Side: If it goes up, never
excon(14666) Disputed
1 point

Don't Be Fooled, The Obama Unemployment Rate Is 11%

Hello again, Levin:

The numbers are nearly all in now. During Obama's presidency:

~The economy gained a net 11.6 million jobs. The unemployment rate dropped to below the historical norm.

~Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 4.0 percent after inflation. The gain was 3.7 percent for just production and nonsupervisory employees.

~After-tax corporate profits also set records, as did stock prices. The S&P 500 index rose 166 percent.

~The number of people lacking health insurance dropped by 15 million. Premiums rose, but more slowly than before.

~Home prices rose 20 percent. But the home ownership rate hit the lowest point in half a century.

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/09/obamas-final-numbers/

excon

Side: Only if it goes down
Chinaman(2991) Clarified
1 point

Obama can take credit for everything the media throws to you bottom feeders

Side: Only if it goes down
Chinaman(2991) Clarified
1 point

Bernie Bro comes along to parrot Bernie but Bro do you have 3 houses ? Speak up you idiot.

Side: Only if it goes down
BurritoLunch(5931) Clarified
1 point

but Bro do you have 3 houses ?

How did Sanders buy his houses? Oh, that's right. He went to work and earned them.

How did Trump buy his houses? Oh, that's right. He got a 403 million dollar payout from his notoriously racist daddy.

As always, you throw stones without having the intelligence to notice that you live in a glass house.

Side: Only if it goes down

The will never give Trump credit for anything good, only blame if things go bad.

Side: Only if it goes down
excon(14666) Disputed
1 point

Never??

Hello High,

Nahh. He’s a despicable human being. I don’t agree with any of his policies or positions. Yet, I like his criminal justice reform.

Watcha gonna do bout that??

excon

Side: If it goes up, never
Chinaman(2991) Clarified
1 point

Socialist that there Right to Vote thang does bother you. But why you Democrats cry Voter Suppression ? You should check with the black female in Georgia.

Side: Only if it goes down
1 point

Obama was a despicable human being. Who bails out banks, demonizes them, then takes a million dollars from them for speaking fees after their Presidency?

Who blocks the CIA from targeting Hezbollah?

Who creates cages, then blames them on the next President?

Oh look, it's Barry Millhouse Obama.

Side: Only if it goes down
1 point

You don't agree with America first, that the American voter should be the first priority?

You don't agree with addressing trade imbalances, like with China, for example? They've cheated and stole since day one; you think they should not be called on it?

You don't agree with NATO pulling their weight and paying their way?

You don't agree with sensible immigration; you want open borders and having people crash our social welfare system?

You're showing your anti-American sentiments the left is famous for.

Side: Only if it goes down
SHADDOW1(43) Disputed
1 point

Nahh. He’s a despicable human being. I don’t agree with any of his policies or positions.

So you disagree with criminal reform, 3.5% unemployment, and no wars.

Side: Only if it goes down
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