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When driving down public streets, do Christmas lights establish religion? Liberals say yes
It's funny how the Left wing paranoid bigoted thought police have censored nativity scenes from public lands. You might ask how celebrating our Christian heritage is establishing a religion, but Progressives say it is.
So I guess when we drive down the streets of cities all lit up with Christmas lights, the Government is establishing a religion?
This is the mentality of Progressives who have twisted the meaning of our constitution to censor anything they don't like.
They also tell us that seeing symbols of Christianity might offend someone of a different religion. So I guess they want America to start censoring anything that someone might get offended over, unless of course it is part of their secular political correct ideology.
Then it is ok to offend millions of parents who do not want so called transgender boys in their daughter's public bathrroms.
If you still possess the intellect to hate such forms of censorship of things the Left does not like, please think about that fact when voting for the Party that is home to these Liberal ideolog censors....the Democrat Party.
Insofar that 'Christmas' is a time when the birth of Jesus Christ is celebrated, the term 'Christmas' lights, must, by definition form a part of this Christian religious festival.
For many in the Northern hemisphere these ''Christmas' lights along with 'Christmas decorations and 'Christmas' presents do help to brighten up the dark and dreary days of midwinter.
The Christmas celebrations, which has been part of our Christian heritage for centuries should not be regarded by anyone as a threat nor as a display of Christian triumphalism.
Any attempt to have this festival banned should be resisted with the full force of the law.
If other religions wish to celebrate a pivotal event which is central to their faith, then they should be free to do so.
Would it be an establishment of religion if they put out a Darwin fish symbol...
Nevertheless, you live in a Christian nation, of which a singer actually used to have to get into the music scene by singing Gospel music. You could always try Pakistan and tell us all about how you want back into the Christian nation. Maybe we'll let you back in, eh?
So you evaded every point posed to you. I guess that is a skill, but what it is not, is an answer. So answer the questions that you avoided. Why should a predominantly Christian nation not send you to Pakistan and why can't you provide us any answer as to how reality came to be?
You didn't make any points that I evaded. The only thing you pointed out is that a country that would display religious symbols was one that had no religious freedom.
It's science? Well that's a really vague answer. So tell us about the Cambrian explosion and the lack of intermediaries in the fossil record. It should be easy for science boy. Biologists and Paleantologists aren't sure, but I'm sure that you are, so go ahead. And while you're at it, tell us how the first self replicating molecule happened.
The Cambrian explosion happened over millions of years. It really isn't a problem. There is no lack of intermediaries. We have a lot of intermediaries in the fossil record.
Biologists and Paleantologists aren't sure,
They are sure about evolution, just not how fast it can work.
And while you're at it, tell us how the first self replicating molecule happened.
No, you are wrong. If the Government forced EVERY community to put out nativity scenes, then yes I would gree with you.
Every community is not forced to do so and it is upon the free will of the voters in those communities if they want a nativity scene. Can you understand the difference?
You can't allow a vote to go against the constitution. Just because people vote on it doesn't make it constitutional. No where in the first amendment does it say that religion can be established in individual communities.
If you can't grasp the definition of establishing religion and understand the difference between estblishing a religion versus a communty's freedom to have symbols of our heritage, then WOW!
There is the first deception you made AS PER USUAL!
I never agreed with what you called establishing a religion. Government is NOT forcing every community to put up nativity scenes. It is a freedom of choice to do so or not.
I wouldn't think so. They are more often than not called Holiday lights now. Regardless of the nuance, they aren't demanding that you focus on a certain holiday, they are merely a set of pretty lights that are usually out on the front lawns of private property. On Public property it is usually done after Thanksgiving and can, again, encompass multiple holidays that occur during that time.
Personally I don't give a fig if someone tells me Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays.
That's good, and why it is crazy to censor every community from the freedom of putting out a nativity scene if the people in that commuity chose to do so.
The nativity scene is specifically Christian. That's a bit different from lights. I don't care if someone wants to put it out on their lawn for private property. I honestly don't care if some government building wants to put it up there too but I completely understand why someone would have issue in that instance so I would be ok with a government building not having a nativity scene as well. I would expect churches to have it.
Do you consider the Church to be public land? Because I think the church would have the right to have one regardless.
I think in the rare instance that 100% of the community want the nativity scene or approve of it at...say a courthouse...then fine. But if there are people who are against it or are uncomfortable with it, then it doesn't need to be there, even if the majority approve.
I will say this though, if there was a community where they put up Hanukkah or Kwanza decorations or any other holiday that isn't Christian during their holiday because 100% of that community wanted it, I wouldn't mind it at all either.
So the next time I see that Darwin Jesus fish, by your logic I should be offended, and when atheist mega churches open their doors I should be ready to become violent. Atheist, liberal logic 101, right back at ya.
So the next time I see that Darwin Jesus fish, by your logic I should be offended,
You can get offended all you want, no one cares. That Darwin Jesus fish is probably on someone's car and is personal property. Now if a courthouse sports the Darwin fish then maybe your offense will hold weight.
atheist mega churches open their doors I should be ready to become violent.
The Satanic Temple only exists for the purpose of exposing the hypocrisy of Christians who hold that the freedom of religion only applies to them. They don't actually believe Satan exists.
You might could sell that position if they didn't make calims like "there's something toit", didn't make blood rituals, and didn't sacrifice animals and children.
The first amendment gives the freedom to practice your religion and the government cannot prevent you from doing so. It also states the government shall not establish an official religion. What this means is you have the freedom to practice your religion and I have the freedom not to.
Atheism isn't a religion, so technically you have no religious rights per the very wording you quoted. Freedom of religion? Yes. Freedom of no religion? Not actually. So technically, we could shut you down and consider you a violater of the law. Might want to pick your allegiances and words a little better. If we become as militant as modern atheism, it's game over.
I'll remember that once your cult gets it put on public property. It's coming. These are the same people who demanded Satan statues on.public property in OKC, Little Rock, and Memphis.
I'm not sure what "my cult" is that you're referring to.
I would be just as against a Satan statue on public property as I would be against any other religious symbolism if there are people who take offense to it on public property. If someone wants to erect a giant cross on their private property, or a star of David, or a pentagram...again on their own private property, that's up to them.
There's a difference. Atheism claims it is not a religion, so technically it isn't covered under "freedom of religion" and is actually violating the law.
He doesn't want them called holiday lights. He wants the government to focus on only Christmas. You are talking about what the left has forced to change.
You can't put up Ramadan lights. You can't put up atheist lights. You can only put up holiday lights. The answer was implied with the question. You didn't answer my question. Why didn't you want to face the question?
So explain to us why a nation produced by Christianity, that is still majority Christian, can't toss up Christmas lights again? If you are anti-Christian, doesn't that simply make you an invader into our world? Now tell us why we shouldn't send you to Pakistan in order to compare a Christian nation to a Mohammaden nation. You'd crawl your beaten butt back on all fours.
I don't know about "forced". He can still call them Christmas lights without being tased.
But yes, there are people who are so concerned about them being called one thing over another that it's almost amusing. Like the people who shoot back "Merry Christmas" to prove they can still say Christmas. It kind of looses its meaning if that's the reason they say it.
If those Christmas lights were paid for by the taxpayer, then YES, they do.
Lemme ask you this... IF the government PAID for Muslim lights on public streets on their holiday, would you be saying that Sharia law has taken over???
The Government is not forcing any community to put out lights or nativity scenes. It is the freedom of the people in those communities to do so or not.
People like you are very scary because you are so insecure to fear other people's freedoms of expressing symbols of our Christian heritage.
If a comminity was made up of mostly Muslim families and they voted on displaying some Muslim symbols, it would be their right to do so.
The facts are that we a are a majority Christian nation with much of our history and heritage inbedded in the Christian faith. This is why you would see mostly Christian symbols in this nation, and Muslim symbols in majority Muslim nations.
It's so arrogant to think you have right to censor things that you don't believe in. That is closed minded, intolerant of diversity and just the opposite of the supposed open minded Progressive you claim to be.
Should each community in America be allowed to express the religious heritage of the local majority?
That includes everything from Christmas lights to Hindu lights (on diwali) and even colours (on Holi) to similar displays of other religions, including Muslims, Jews, Pagans, Satanists, Jains etc. on at least their respective festivals.
If yes, and your whole group believes like that, then liberals would back down from any such claims that you say they are making.
Hogwash. Liberals are bent on censoring any mention of our Christian heritage in our schools. They are the thought police and it is sick we have people so blind to vote for them.
We don't have other religious heritage from our past. Our nation was founded on the majority judeo Christian heritage and is why we had so many Christian symbols such as the Ten Commandments on our courtroom walls, Christian symbols on our pubic lands, on our money, in our pledge of allegience, Bibles in our hotel rooms, celebrating Christian holidays in our schools, etc. etc.
Which is scientifically proven to warp minds and make kids more sexual. There's a reason that memvers of the lgbt community always have an "I was molested as a child" story.
You are such a hypocrite. There are many more things that Liberals censored from our schools than Conservatives.
You have censored Christmas pagients from schools, gun safety courses from schools, Easter pagients, Christmas and Easter holidays(you stripped the Christian names of school holidays and now call them winter and spring holidays), prayers from schools, etc. etc.
It was Liberals who forced sex ed. into school day corriculums, not the other way around. I support sex ed in after school classes for those who want their kids to go to them.
The only thing not related to religion on that list is gun safety courses. Are you suggesting that we used to have gun safety courses in schools until liberals put laws on the books removing them?
Oh I forget, Liberals hate guns so they would rather ban them then teach safety courses.
I've said this to you before, and I'll say it again. I don't want to ban guns. I do think that it's ridiculous that weapons that have the power to kill massive amounts of people in seconds are available to most anyone without them getting any training or background checks. It's illegal to possess chemical weapons, bombs, and drones, and I think the fact that the word 'gun' has become so politicized that we can't legislate anything around it is utterly ridiculous.
In case you missed it, the DEMOCRAT Party has become the extremist radical ideological Party that stands against everything you say you want. They would never allow gun safety courses in schools.
When I speak about Democrats, I am speaking to this new age Socialist Democrat Party. You can deny everything you want, but when you vote for this Liberal Party, you are supporting everything i speak to.
The Democrat Party in New York State tried to make our hunting rifles that held more than 7 rounds in our homes illegal! Spew you deception somewhere else.
It is a complete lie that they are not after our guns one step at a time. A hunting rifle with a 10 round clip is not a weapon of mass killing! Now tell me how you would have been against that law while you vote for the very people pushing it.
If you truly are blind to what is happening in the Democrat Party then it is wasting my time trying to explain the obvious.
That would be like debating people who deny the vast majority of our free press media is Liberal biased towards the Democrat Party.
People who deny these things are either unbelievably stupid, or are unbelievably deceptive.
It matters not because either way they are not worth debating.
If you don't understnd the Democrat Party's hatred for the NRA, and any thought of courses on gun safety, or target shooting to teach kids the correct way to handle guns, etc. etc. then spare me.
The only reson you have not heard their outcry at such a thing is that the GOP is not made up of arrogant control fanatics trying to push their agendas into public schools.
Probably, but the problem is that... you wouldn't. You'd give them a gold trophy in the oppression olympics and strut off as they took over, then wonder why atheism was now delt the death penalty.
You have a way of getting down to the heart of the matter. Yes, it is the working middle class, who vote mostly for Republicans, that pay most of our taxes.
So tell us, would a Muslim.nation allow the Christmas lights? Nope. So why would we give a flying crap if they are offended here, especially seeing they are commanded to kill Christians, Jews and Atheists in the Quran.
You call me a liberal all the time (though I'm not) and I can tell you emphatically that I disagree with banning or shunning the religious origins of national holidays. If we're going to celebrate it as a national day off then it's wrong to try to pretend it shouldn't have any of the customs or imagery associated just for fear they're too religious.
If someday it ceases to be a national holiday then it becomes a new discussion.
We also don't expect Hannukah to be devoid of Jewish imagery, or Kwanzaa to be devoid of African imagery.
I call you a Liberal because most times you are! Glad to know you say you are against changing the names of our Christian holidays in schools, but as I AWAYS tell you...... people like you deny supporting things that your Party DOES SUPPORT!
That means you are keeping the censorship legal with your vote. Keep denying everything you support with your vote.
People like myself see through the total phoniness of it.
You're so blinded. "My party"? I'm not a Democrat. I'm an independent and a moderate. And back when I WAS still party registered it was Republican. And harping on my last vote was Clinton means no more than I was smart enough to see Trump as the disaster he is becoming.
Disaster he is becoming? Hes doing great and if Democrat's entire goal were not to attack him and block his every move, our nation might have a healthcare plan that's not imploding thanks to Democrats.
Most everything he says turns out to be true. Have you heard the latest about Obama's National Security advisor Susan Rice's request for the identities of US persons with connections to Trump and others? Obama's out of office and we are still dealing with his scandals.
For any deceptive person to say he is moderate, and then vote for a feminist Liberal Hillary Clinton over a man not beholden to the corruption of pay back politics, makes you a laugh.
Even many Democrats cold not vote for Hillary! If you were moderate and hated Trump so badly, you should have stayed home rather than voting for a corrupt feminist Hillary Clinton.
Oh, I forget, you don't watch Fox news so you would never hear any stories that coroborate Trump's claims.
Well, I'm willing to bet that some people that celebrate Christmas aren't even Christian. For the record, Christmas is of partial Pagan origin. Sometimes trademarks become so widespread it loses meaning or value. Such as diamond rings, A/C, Satellite Radio, Christmas, Cellular Data, Wi-Fi, etc. These used to be high value, but nowadays if you don't have or use them then you're the weird one. If someone doesn't celebrate Christmas or Hanukkah around that time of the year, what do you think of them? Hell, it can just be an excuse for the family to come eat your food.
Enough tangents, just because one has Christmas lights on their house, it doesn't mean that they're Christians. More often than not, it's an effort to fit in with the neighborhood and appear "normal" to the average person. (Go watch "Christmas with the Kranks") Try telling me with a straight face you've never thought when passing someone's house on Christmas that has no lights, "what's their deal, where are the lights?" I'm willing to bet you've thought it at least once.
Also, to believe Christmas is still solely a "celebration of Christ's birth", is bullshit. It's about stressing over giving them the wrong present or asking for super expensive materialistic items that you'd never buy yourself in a million years. If it was a celebration of Christ's birth then why have presents, a tree, or most decorations? So I never understand the justification of this superficial materialism by use of religion.
The world has taken Christ out of Christmas as much as they could.
Christians still celebrate it's true meaning. Who cares if non Christians puts up lights to celebrate Christmas. I guess they are not paranoid closed minded intolerant non inclusive Liberals who must censor things they don't agree with.
Christmas lights are not overtly christian. So no they dont establish religion. It also depends on what land theyre on. Public land that is free to the people to use is fine to put up a nativity scene on so long as every other religion is free to do the same.
