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I am peaceful until peace is no longer a viable option for conflict resolution and or self preservation. Violence is a tool same as words I refer to pulling a gun in self defense as making a non-verbal request to be left alone.
When someone tries to kill you... of course, when it comes to law you don't have to kill people. However, what if someone tries to kill you?! will you just look at this people and think about any kind of law?! of course NO...
Unfortunately the law is getting to the point where you must curl up in the fetal position and pray who ever is after you doesn't shoot you in the head after he's done raping or robbing you. (Anti-gun policy among others)
That's a good question. Better to be asked to cops. They seem to be the only one's with knowledge of these laws(most of the time they pull it out their ass). Also, I do not dismiss protocol given to important people in my life like my mother who is given a sheet that says "If you are being beaten the best option for you is to lay down in the fetal position and take it". Instead of pulling out a gun or pepper spray or actually fighting back. Cops are killing people left right and center and today I read in the news that a woman was slammed to the ground for a "dehumanizing stare". Try defending yourself from a police officer and you'll see where Self defense is illegal.
Ah, I think I see your point. The distinction between a right on paper and a right in practice. While there are many notable cases of injustice, most cases of self defense still stand up in court though. Police brutality is not the absence of that right so much as it is the loss of a right to personal safety and security, and a breach of power and authority.
Most people who commit murder in self-defense are not eager to kill the other person, and the act can itself be emotionally traumatizing for the person. Furthermore, the legal and social standard is generally if the person reasonably perceived the use of lethal force to be their only option. If that standard is not met then it becomes unacceptable because it exceeds the confines of justifiable self-defense.
Nope. You can be afraid of someone and still see them as human. Being afraid of someone is absolutely not the same thing as the emotional detachment exhibited by antisocial personalities.
Evidence? Logic? Rational? Something other than an assertion. When you refer to dehumanization as an emotional process, particular in the context of murder/killing, you are referencing a rather specific process of detachment. I do not see how being afraid causes one to view another as less than human. There is no reason that those must stand in contradiction to one another.
Further, there is no reason why that should make self defense immoral. If you do not choose to be placed in a situation where another person makes you afraid then you do not choose to dehumanize that other person, rather that person has forced you to dehumanize them. Not to mention that they dehumanized you first by threatening/attacking you. At that point, I see nothing ethically or morally wrong with killing in self defense.
Only when it's necessary , the same goes to any soldiers , mercenaries , assassins , any jobs that may requires killing because they follow orders (or money) to make a living .
So, if someone gives you an order to commit a homicide which would be unacceptable absent that order then the same homicide is suddenly okay. Being subject to orders should absolve one of personal accountability?
It depends on your position , for instance there's absolutely nothing wrong with soldiers who follow orders because they signed the contract and are obligated to complete the terms of the contract which means they'll have to do it anyway whether they like it or not , if they feel guilty after doing so then there's nothing they can do except regretting it .
On the other hand whoever wasn't tied by the contract can always choose to question it , in which they might be forced to or gone into hiding or even wind up dead.
While that may be the way in which the world operates, that does not make it ethically right. To violate basic human rights without just cause (say, committing genocide against innocent civilians) is inherently unethical, unless one has no choice at all in obeying. For some soldiers that could potentially be the case, however for a soldier in an army like that of the U.S. taking an inherently unethical action is not the only option and it can become far too easy for individuals to evade accountability for their actions.
I do not think you are defending the acceptability so much as explaining how serial killers depersonalize their victims? The mental process prompting self defense is rather different, and is generally deemed acceptable by society and most individuals in keeping with the natural instinct for self-preservation.
So... you are saying that it could still be acceptable even if it is dehmanizing... so you have no argument for why it is never acceptable to kill another human being. Gotcha.
* Also, see my other response for your point about emotion and dehumanization.
