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An organism is an individual form of life, such as plants, animals, protist, bacterium, or fungi. It is a body made up of organs, organelles, or other parts that work together to carry on the various processes of life.
I have a very good idea of what a human organism is.
So does our government.
"WASHINGTON — The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office would be barred from issuing patents on human organisms, such as genetically engineered embryos, under an agreement reached by lawmakers Monday. "
I know that fetuses are organisms .. What I am trying to tell you is, the dead skin on my feet are dead skincells. Should I be put in jail for being responsible for their death?
You deny people their freedom of doing what they want in this life.
You deny people their right to choose.
You want everyone to follow what you think is right
You want everyone to go to jail for doing stuff you don't think is right.
Who's the one in denial here, seriously.
Just by looking at your points. I've seen several comments you've made where you are below 0 - doesn't that make you realize that your so called ''facts'' are wrong? And plus the majority of the people they disagree with you.
If you live in the states or Scandinavia or something like that, then they do.
"You deny women their right to do what they want."
not if they are not violating anyone else's rights - I don't."
"You deny people their right to not be parents."
Bullshit. If you are pregnant, it's already too late to make that decision. They are already parents and killing the child as a means to undo it is the only thing I am against
"You deny people their freedom of doing what they want in this life."
We don't have the right to violate the rights of others in our pursuit of doing what we -want- to do in life.
"You deny people their right to choose."
see above. We don't have the right to kill or to violate the lives of others with our -choices-
"You want everyone to follow what you think is right"
I want consistency in our laws and I want everyone to have to play by the same rules (the Constitution) and I want -EQUAL- rights and -EQUAL PROTECTIONS- for all.
"You want everyone to go to jail for doing stuff you don't think is right."
I would much rather unwanted children were never created in the first place but once they are created, I want nothing more than legal protections for them. I won't settle for anything less than that.
"Who's the one in denial here, seriously."
You and a lot of other people are
"Just by looking at your points. I've seen several comments you've made where you are below 0 - doesn't that make you realize that your so called ''facts'' are wrong?"
No. It tells me there are a lot of butthurting pro-aborts in here who don't like having their hypocrisies and denials exposed for what they are.
This is all the information that is needed to keep the original question on topic. I feel like this is two-sided as well, it is scientific yet could also be political.
1. Living things are highly organized, from the smallest part to the largest.
2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy.
3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment.
4. All living things have an ability to reproduce.
5. All living things have an ability to adapt.
Right at the very moment the sperm makes contact with the egg, the egg starts to act independently, It starts to organize, it quickly leans how to acquire nutrition and use it, it knows how to respond to their environment and knows how to adapt to it. It even knows how to reproduce by dividing its cells over and over.
An ordinary Egg and Sperm cannot do any of this. Which concludes that Life starts at conception.
Nope, biology has its rule for living things and human cells are not living creatures because it cannot reproduce, organize nor adapt
Fertilized eggs however already carries its own set of DNA that is different from the mother, making it already a human being. And it fits all the requirements for a living creature
Holy fuck, you are fucking stupid. Everything you say is wrong. Do not bother me again unless you can present a logical argument. Prochoice is not proabortion or antiadoption.
I seem to be the only one who thinks otherwise... Between, at conception it is nothing less than a bunch of cells, which may have human DNA but as I stated in a previous argument, is not a human. As to when it actually becomes a human, is debatable, but can be anything from 7 weeks to 5 months. It depends what you want to call a human. Changes occur at birth, like the flow of blood and the respiratory tract that allow the baby to survive, so you could say that this is only when the baby is fully human, but at conception, no. It is not a human being.
I respect your arguments, though they're not very good! Mentally disabled people have consciences! I don't know where you got that from that they don't, maybe the have a low IQ but they are still experience emotions, pain, and are capable of moving and making gestures.
People with artificial limbs or 'machines inside them' are humans, because they have all the human features. Like If I have a bicycle, and take one of the tyres off. It doesn't stop becoming a bicycle does it? But when it is still being made, when the metal is still liquid, ready to be poured in to molds and welded, that is not a bike. It will one day be a bicycle, but not yet. Like a young foetus, it does not have everything required to be a complete human being. People with prosthetic limbs can still be humans because everything else about them is as it should be. A foetus, may look like a human, but only at a certain age inside the womb does it pass the stage where it is no longer just a foetus, but it is a human baby.
Mentally disabled people has no awareness of their actions. They function according to how they wanted without any conciousness. Similar to how a fetus acts to create itself
They are humans who lost their ability to live organically and independently (e.g pacemakers and insulin injections) Exactly like a fetus that cannot live outside the womb. But alright then, since you argue, then allow me to change it to "Bedridden Folks",
They look like a human, but lacks whatever definition of humanity that you have. Come to think of it, what is your definition of humanity anyway?
Not a species, we're not talking about it starts off as one species then changes in to another. It starts off as a ball of cells. This is not a species, it is not a living creature! At that stage in its development, it could turn out to be a whale, or monkey, or a rhino! Well, it has human genes living in a human womb, so unless the mother did something.. unspeakable.. it will still become a human. But the point is, it is not a human being yet as it has no features of being a human. A fetus, when it gets limbs, eyes and a beating heart ( roughly, lets not get in to a debate to exactly when this happens) but roughly then is when it is recognisably a human baby.
The absence of any biological reference to support this claim is noted.
Where can I find a scientific reference to support your claim that a human being in their first days of life is 'at some point in between' being a human and something else?
Sperm and eggs are both alive long before conception. Are they human? Life is an unbroken string that stretches back a few million years. The question, fortunately, is not whether life begins at conception, but whether or not that life is a human.
If sperm and eggs are human, we're all killers, and women are even killers somewhat beyond that, because the zygote doesn't always attach like it needs to, at conception.
A fetus is absolutely a part of the mother until it can survive on its own outside of the womb. It cannot eat on its own, or even breathe. It is completely and utterly dependent on its mother for every aspect of its life. Once it can survive on its own outside of the womb, it is a human in its own right. This is not necessarily strictly at birth - a baby will usually survive on its own in the third trimester, but until birth, it is absolutely dependent on the mother anyhow, so it becomes at birth by default, whenever that may be.
The inability of the child to survive without the aid of their mother was never a viable proof that it is not a human
"To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion ... it is plain experimental evidence."
- Dr. Jerome Lejeune, The "Father of Modern Genetics"
It is not an independent entity. Humans are independent entities.
Argh. Clicked on the wrong thing. I guess that'll teach me to try and work with an unfamiliar interface before I have my coffee. This should have been a dispute.
If someone is a strict constructionist who interprets the Constitution word for word, the sanction for abortion is given under the Fourteenth Amendment.
The Fourteenth Amendment of our U.S. Constitution defines a citizen “a citizen” at birth. If a woman is carrying a fetus in the womb, the U.S. Constitution does not designate the fetus as “a citizen.” It would take an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to declare a fetus a citizen. You have to be born in order to be recognized as a citizen. Therefore, a woman does have the right to choose. A fetus inside the womb is not designated as a citizen according to the U.S. Constitution so by default is not entitled to life, liberty, or prosperity. You have to be born in order to be endowed with those privileges. To conclude, neither the Federal government nor any of the States can deny a woman the right to choose.
If abortion is murder, abortion would have been terminated years ago due to the cruel and unusual punishment clause under the Eighth Amendment. Again, proof that a fetus is not recognized as a citizen of the United States of America.
