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 When will "prolifers" admit that they are really just forced birthers? (50)

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When will "prolifers" admit that they are really just forced birthers?

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Atrag(5550) Banned
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Life begins at conception. Fact. Babies have a right to life.

Sitar(3682) Disputed
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By conception, do you mean implantation, or fertiilization? Where does science say that life begins at implantation or fertilization? A fetus is not a baby until it has brainwaves. Brainwaves are how you tell if someone is alive.

Atrag(5550) Disputed Banned
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You presented sources before to support the fact that life begins at conception. Why do I need to post them if you already know them? Life begins at conception when it is genetically unique fact.

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Since we've lacked real discussion on this topic for a while, why not start some here.

Life begins at conception. Fact. Babies have a right to life.

Maybe so. But up until birth, the baby is fully dependent upon the mother to survive. If the mother were not present, the fetus would not have the ability to develop into a full human life. A right to life does not give the right to use someone else's life.

A fetus is just as alive as sperm, or egg, a single skin cell of a human, or a whole human, sure. But only one of the things I listed is protected and treated as human in our society. "Life" is not inherent to a right to survive at the expense of someone else.

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A cluster of stem cells is not a baby let lone a living human. It has no more rights than a plant.

Harvard(660) Clarified
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This is a deep philosophical question, it that egg a person? A person has a right to life, so one would need to determine a what point is the fetus a person. Furthermore, what constitutes a person?

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Are you a forced birther?

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No, not anymore. I am going to ask Andy to change my name. I am prochoice now.

Atrag(5550) Disputed Banned
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If a baby has brain waves then you force the woman to keep it and give birth to it. This is forced birthing too.

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When pro-choicers admit they're pro killing innocent human beings I guess.

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Except they aren't, and you do know that.

A pro-choice individual doesn't believe a fetus is a person, and thus isn't "pro killing innocent human beings".

Pro-lifers, on the other hand, do legitimately believe that a woman should be forced to give birth to a fetus even if she doesn't want it. If you believe that is a good thing then that is fine, but don't try to dishonestly deflect.

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Not recognizing that a fetus is human isn't a great accomplishment.

VecVeltro(412) Clarified
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It was a rhetorical answer to a hopefully rhetorical question.

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Thank you for speaking the objective truth. .

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They aren't all though. Abortions exist regardless of the laws that exist. Pro choice means you are against one thing in a big list of things that contribute to abortions.

Sitar(3682) Disputed
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Prochoice isnot proabortion or prokilling. Prochoicers believe that a women has the right to choose parenting, adoption, abortion, and contraception. Life begins when the baby has brainwaves. Brainwaves are how you tell if someone is alive. The zygote is not a sentient person with brainwaves. It is the strawman fallacy to say that prochoice people favor death.

Cuaroc(8839) Clarified Banned
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It is the strawman fallacy to say that prochoice people favor death.

Just like it's Strawman fallacy to say the prolifers are forced birthers.

Pro-lifers as forced birthers? Interesting concept, but quite rude to the tongue. This would unfairly group people in this category you have created. Some pro-lifers only wish for people to not have abortions if the baby was just born from unprotected sex or a man's condom broke. Some pro-lifers would say abortion may be a better decision if the mother, father, and/or both, are not prepared for a baby at all. Rape is also another issue.

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Well, in all of those cases, anyone who is against abortions is still someone who is in favor of forcing women to give birth to a child when they don't want to, just only through specific circumstances. But referring to those people as 'forced birthers' is still accurate to their position.

I don't think I said it was inaccurate. Just rude.

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I think they are because they don't want to share any of the responsibility of bringing an unwanted child into the world. I am pro-choice because I believe abortion is a medical procedure and should be between a woman and her doctor. Abortion was only illegal in the USA for seventy years. Before that women routinely had abortions, by doctors if they were wealthy enough, or by midwives if they weren't. A lot of abortions were self administered and many women died because of that. What we need is better birth control and better education about birth control. Then, the need for abortion would disappear. No one should be forced to have a child they don't want, can't afford or, especially, because of someone else's religious convictions.