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we are all sinners no such thing as sin
Debate Score:37
Arguments:43
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Where Did Sin Begin?



No one denies that the world is full of problems. Every person, every family, every church, every organization, 
and every nation—of every era—faces conflict, strife, and turmoil of one kind or another.

And while sociologists, psychologists, educators, and lawmakers have their own ideas about where our problems come from and how to solve them, 
only God’s Word probes the inner sanctum of the human heart and identifies the root cause of every struggle mankind experiences.

In Where Did Sin Begin?, John MacArthur examines key questions about the origin of sin, the nature of sin, the effects of sin in your life, 
and God’s purposes in allowing sin to enter the world. Critical teaching from the book of Genesis.

we are all sinners

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no such thing as sin

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It all began with excon's racist ancestors who captured and cooked white men in enormous earthenware pots down in the steaming jungles of central Africa.

Military historians are now convinced that it was from this ancient racist ritual that give Himmler the concept of incinerating millions in his concentration camps.

Side: we are all sinners
excon(18260) Disputed
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Hello again, A:

To a racist, ONLY a black person could POSSIBLY take exception to the word, "bongos"..

What else is there to say??

excon

Side: no such thing as sin
Antrim(1287) Disputed
2 points

Down in jungle living in tent,

Better than apartment, no rent.

Who's on the menu tonight? ''Doctor Livingstone I presume'', roars of even louder laughter from the back stalls.

Side: we are all sinners
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Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? .....

just watch the news and read the newspapers http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3257#p3257 < link

Side: we are all sinners

You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. EZEKIEL 28:15

http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/28-15.htm

Side: we are all sinners
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John 03:19 .. this is the judgment .. that the light has come into the world .. and men loved the darkness rather than the light .. for their deeds were evil

03:20 .. for everyone who does evil hates the Light .. and does not come to the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed

03:21 .. but he who practices the truth comes to the light .. so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God

Side: we are all sinners
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Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:........it's very simple. We are all like Adam, sinners, it's in our blood.

Side: we are all sinners
Quantumhead(749) Disputed
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Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:........it's very simple.

You're right. Very simple. Adam never existed and you are a lunatic. You just demanded I "prove" the self-evident fact that information is passed from generation to generation, but where is your proof of Adam and the Garden of Eden? Is it in your padded cell? Why don't you pop in and fetch it for us?

Side: no such thing as sin
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
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The proof is in your blood, the whole human race is of one blood, we are all like our father Adam. Ungodly scientist and their worshipers do not want to accept this plain simple truth because they think that by denying their total unrighteousness they are automatically exempt from Hell. All that matters to them is that they feel like they are not going to burn in Hell forever, so pump their pride and indulge in sin however they feel suits the moment.

Why is it so difficult for people like you to be civil? Why can't you carry on a reasonable conversation? I did not ask you t prove that information is not passed from generation to generation. It's you who is loony tunes here, you need to calm down and try to be reasonable.

Side: we are all sinners
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

The Garden of Eden was paradise, the tree of life grows there and Adam got kicked out after he sinned because he had to die and the tree of life would have prevented that death.

Death is two-fold. First, it is separation from God, spiritual death. You cannot be in paradise or with God because you have sinned against God and are condemned to die for your sin. Second, death is physical. It's in your blood from the moment you were conceived. Sin and death belong in the fire of Hell and that's where they are going, taking you with them and you seem to think it's a great thing if you can bad mouth God, His people, and His word. You are getting what you deserve, God wants to give you eternal life but you act like you prefer eternal dying and you have it. You need to be saved before you end up in Hell. You can be saved. I hope you get saved, but the way you act I'm afraid you will not and it's like watching a fatal traffic accident.....when there's nothing I can do to help, I don't want to see it happening.

Side: we are all sinners
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John MacArthur is not needed to explain the sin nature or it's origin. It's very simple, we are like our father Adam, we inherited sin through Adam's corrupt blood.

John MacArthur clearly teaches that every believer is NOT assured a home in Heaven. According to MacArthur, one's salvation is DEPENDENT upon the life he or she lives. This is the damnable heresy of Lordship Salvation! Mr. MacArthur is of the Devil. From examining the two preceding statements made by John MacArthur, it can only be concluded that although MacArthur obviously doesn't think a believer can live a sinless life; a believer must nevertheless persevere in faith 'til the end of life to be saved. The big question, then is, how much does a believer have to "persevere" to make it to Heaven? Is this not the same heresy which Islam teaches? Yes, it most certainly is! Muslims believe that Allah is capricious, i.e., he is unpredictable. In Islam, a Muslim's salvation is dependent upon the life he lives—you basically do your best and hope you make it.

Side: we are all sinners
Quantumhead(749) Disputed
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John MacArthur is not needed to explain the sin nature or it's origin. It's very simple, we are like our father Adam, we inherited sin through Adam's corrupt blood.

So God punishes us for something we didn't even do, even after God himself came to Earth in human form and died to save us from his own punishment? Sounds legit bro. Great story.

Side: no such thing as sin
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Sin brings death, it is the law of sin and death by which you are condemned to die. It is only God's mercy which allows you time outside of Hell as He desires you to reason with Him, to agree with Him regarding your total unrighteousness and seek His pardon.

Side: we are all sinners
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

So you are claiming that you have never sinned? Really? Do you think God will buy that from you and let you go free from Hell?

Side: we are all sinners
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

I don't know why I bothered to allow you to remain in my discussion for more than one post. You think you have the right to exist outside of Hell, fine. Go try to prove it somewhere else, you seem void of manners and you're worse than talking to a brick wall. A brick wall, like you, won't listen but it shows more brains than you by keeping it's mouth shut.

Side: we are all sinners
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In Christianity, a believer's salvation is rooted in the love and mercy of an awesome God, who offers salvation as a free gift paid for by Jesus' precious blood (1st Peter 1:18,19); BUT in Islam, a Muslim's salvation is rooted in self-righteousness to appease Allah's wrath. John MacArthur has perverted the simplicity of the Gospel, by requiring a holy life as a final step to complete salvation. MacArthur has effectively turned salvation into a lifelong process. How is this not works salvation? There is no simpler picture of salvation than a gift. Romans 5:15 even calls salvation a "free gift."

Side: we are all sinners
Quantumhead(749) Disputed
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In Christianity, a believer's salvation is rooted in the love and mercy of an awesome God

But you just proved your God is neither loving nor merciful. He punishes the entire species for a sin committed by a distant ancestor. The crimes of people you have never met are your fault are they? That sounds a lot more like hatred and cruelty than love and mercy.

BUT in Islam, a Muslim's salvation is rooted in self-righteousness to appease Allah's wrath

So Christians don't use scare tactics like telling people they will burn in hell? That's strange because it contradicts, well, history. In fact it contradicts your own posting history.

Why don't you sit down and have a nice Ritalin lozenge?

Side: no such thing as sin
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
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You are not listening. If you are not going to listen, I'm not going to read your responses.

Side: we are all sinners
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

You can go and find out for yourself if I'm telling you the truth or not, can't you? There is a difference between me trying to warn you of the danger you are in, and a Muslim demanding you say Allah is God or get your head cut off. You are in danger, believe it or not.............but hey, if you resent me telling you so, please do not respond to my posts, don't read them......what good does it do you or me? Zilch.

Side: we are all sinners
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
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Adam deserved to die the moment he sinned. God gave him time because He loved Adam and is merciful.....and He had a plan which He was not going to be denied of, a plan for a multitude of beings with power of reason and communication like His own for Him to enjoy forever. I am one of those He will enjoy forever, and I will be forever changed in Heaven and never sin again, I will be like Him who never sinned. You seem to want to be against Him forever and He loves you so He will allow you to do that and He is angry with you for rejecting the gift of eternal life He provided for you through the blood of His Son which He gave as the propitiation for your sins. He gave Himself as the atonement for your soul so you can be reconciled to God and saved from eternal dying in the fire of Hell. He died for you, His enemy, to save you from Hell. There is no greater love. You don't have to believe it.

Side: we are all sinners
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Hello d:

In MY existence, there is NO sin.. There's only people doing what they do, and they make mistakes. But, they're NOT gonna go to hell for them..

excon

Side: no such thing as sin
Antrim(1287) Disputed
2 points

What a ''silly boy'' you are.

Are you really trying to have people believe that exterminating 6 million Jews was a mistake?

Are you honestly suggesting that, such inhuman crimes as cold blooded murder, paedophilia, rape, mass rape, torture and ''EXCON STYLE RACISM'' can be described as simple mistakes?

There should be a system on sites such as this which would filter out racist maniacs like you.

You're certainly one a a kind. I mean you're absolutely are barking mad, compounded by the fact that you either don't know you are, or couldn't care less.

Take a bow and a cuddly toy off the counter for winning the internet's biggest and best racist competition.

Side: we are all sinners
excon(18260) Disputed
1 point

Hello A:

Getting under your skin, huh?? That's how I DO racists..

excon

Side: no such thing as sin
dadman(1703) Disputed
1 point

SIN = a violation of the Law of God ... < that simple ................................

Side: we are all sinners
dadman(1703) Disputed
1 point

btw: If you are not a sinner .... then please explain the reason you cloth yourself

Side: we are all sinners
Quantumhead(749) Disputed
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btw: If you are not a sinner .... then please explain the reason you cloth yourself

Because we are told to by the previous generation. If you trace it back far enough you will find people wearing clothes to shelter them from the elements, and the knowledge has been passed onto every generation since. The same concept explains religion generally. Early on it probably had some benefit to the species, long since forgotten, and has survived through intergenerational indoctrination.

Side: no such thing as sin
Antrim(1287) Clarified
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Well, there are a number of reasons.

1) To keep warm.

2) To enhance one's appearance.

3) To conform to the 'code of modesty' set by most societies, but excluding many African tribes who have few inhibitions and see no reason to cover the parts of their anatomy which we regard as the ''naughty bits'.

Side: we are all sinners
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
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Side: we are all sinners
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As everyone knows, there is no god. Therefore, it is mankind who places these so called sins on the heads of others. Sin began with men blaming other men for things they disagreed about.

Side: no such thing as sin
Antrim(1287) Disputed
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Well, that was very thoughtless of ''men'' blaming and disagreeing with ''other men'' who committed mass murder, rape, paedophilia, torture, exterminating millions in concentration camps, starting wars in which millions are killed, maimed and displaced.

So, there is no sin, just little old eeny weeny teeny itsy bitsy white lies.

Hey, are you related to excon the site's well known lunatic racist?

Side: we are all sinners
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Hello again, A:

Upset are we??? Yeah.. That's how I DO racists..

excon

Side: we are all sinners
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Really? So you know what everybody knows? I thought only God knew what everybody knows. You must be an imposter.

Side: we are all sinners
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

So if somebody punches you in the nose and rapes your sister and mother after they steal everything you have, it is not sin, and it's wrong for you to blame them just because you disagree with what they did?

Do you ever think about what you say?

Side: we are all sinners
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Well, with ME, it started in the FRONT seat of my 42 Buick convertible. (BIG seat), if that's what you call "sin". To each, his own. >;-)

Side: no such thing as sin
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Sin began as a strategy for forcing happily content people to get off the sidelines and join religion. Before the concept of original sin they could just say no thank you, I'm already nice. But since sin by definition belonged to everyone from birth, and it doomed you unless you did something about it, then it provided leverage to joining and obeying the church.

Don't believe for a second that a mistake made by an ancient ancestor has left you decrepit and doomed.

Side: no such thing as sin
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Look at how the sinners who insist they are not sinners make so many statements void of reason. "We are not doomed", (even though we are dying, it's not that we are doomed, it's that we get relief from life)" "people make mistakes, murder and rape are not sin".........stupid stuff. No wonder winos and pot heads want to get out of reality by abusing intoxicating substances.

Side: no such thing as sin
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Watch the perverts weigh in, bragging of their dirty sin......the Bible is very clear why people reject the gospel; it's because they walk according to their lusts.

Side: no such thing as sin