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This is wrong No it's cool
Debate Score:289
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Where are you Republicans?

I haven't heard a damn thing from Trump supports who condemn what's going on in the Capitol building.  You all know if this had been a Democratic president you would have been blasting it from the moment of inception.  You were ten kinds of vocal during the BLM march and they didn't force their way (armed) into a government building. So where are you now?  All I hear is crickets. 

This is wrong

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No it's cool

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5 points

Well as a Republican I'm certainly no Trump supporter but I'll grab the opportunity to condemn this disgraceful violence with both hands.

Trump the 'rabble-rouser' incites his 'rent-a-mob' into violent, unjustified protests then tells them all to go home after they've 'wrecked the place'.

''The grand old Duke of New York,

He had 10,000 men,

He marched them up to the top of the hill,

Then he marched them down again,

When they were up they were up,

And when they were down they were down,

But when they were only half way up the were neither up or down''.

Once again this latest episode by 'Trumpites' along with the previous violent demonstrations by those of their opposite numbers in the BLM and ANTIFA, has further shamed America.

However, there COULD be a degree of hypocrisy in your post.

I can't tell, but maybe you would confirm that you condemned the BLM and ANTIFA riots and will continue to do so.

Violence must be openly and loudly denounced by all right thinking people regardless of their political persuasion.

Side: This is wrong
Mint_tea(4597) Clarified
2 points

I support protesting. I do NOT support riots. I do NOT support using act of terrorism to complain against a perceived slight. I do NOT care what side a person is on, when they resort to acts vandalism and rioting, they are wrong.

Side: This is wrong

I support protesting. I do NOT support riots. I do NOT support using act of terrorism to complain against a perceived slight. I do NOT care what side a person is on, when they resort to acts vandalism and rioting, they are wrong.

Of course, but what is interesting is how much this all comes down to the way language is used. Language has become the battleground of ideology. If you agree with the ideology of the protesters it's a protest. If you don't then it's a riot. They are looting and burning. Destroying small businesses.

Side: This is wrong
Jace(5162) Disputed
1 point

the overwhelming majority of protesters were peaceful and cooperative. they were not acting over a perceived slight either; they were acting over a perceived injustice. i think they're delusional, but i do believe that many of them genuinely believe that they were resisting sedition and preserving democracy. ironic that you call republicans on their hypocrisy while enacting ur own. fucking partisans...

Side: No it's cool
3 points

Criminal proceedings should be taken against Trump he called on his people to riot and urged them on , he furiously deleted damaging Tweets on Twitter and is facing a ban also FB are considering banning him Ivanka also deleted her tweets

When Trump became president the US lost a long standing respect at once , Trump has single handedly made the US into a laughing stock worldwide again .....

The American police are absolute wankers as they mostly stood by and did nothing until things got desperate , corruption follows Trump everywhere

Side: This is wrong
2 points

He called the BLM protesters "thugs" but has shown nothing but support for the terrorists that act in his name.

Side: This is wrong
1 point

Yes indeed what a hypocrite, he should be jailed he is not a god but a cowardly dog who should face the same rigors of the law all American citizens face

Side: This is wrong

He called the BLM protesters "thugs" but has shown nothing but support for the terrorists that act in his name.

Double standards have become the bread and butter of the Republican Party. And in fairness I don't think Trump should be singled out for it because it goes back at least to Reagan. Reagan would happily refer to places like Nicaragua as terrorist states, while he simultaneously referred to places like Ecuador and Guatemala as "fledgling democracies", despite the fact the governments in those countries were using roving death squads which were kidnapping and "disappearing" dissidents in the dead of night. It all really came down to whether or not you were prepared to play ball with the United States.

Side: This is wrong
Jace(5162) Disputed
1 point

lmao what long standing respect. delusional.

Side: No it's cool
Jody(1746) Disputed
1 point

lmao what long standing respect. delusional

lmao US had a long standing respect internationally from a lot of governments worldwide whether you , I or anyone else disagrees with that

delusional

You are I agree

Side: This is wrong
2 points

I condemn it

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Side: This is wrong
2 points

Trump is not a President, never has been! He's a mob leader, a spoiled brat capable of ANYTHING when he doesn't get his way! He has the nuclear codes and is not stable enough for that responsibility! The 25th Amendment SHOULD BE EVOKED IMMEDIATELY! Impeachment should be begun again! He should NEVER be allowed to hold public office again! His assets should be frozen and HE should pay the damages and court fees/investigation costs to bring his MOB to justice! This should include what is happening in state capitols also! Taxpayers should NOT be liable for his idiocy!

This Lame Fuck Prsidnt (oops ... typo ;) should pay the price! (Likwise, his organization)!

Side: This is wrong
2 points

All the money donated towards him should be used towards fixing his mess.

Side: This is wrong
1 point

Part of the BLM/ANTIFA riots included nightly attempts to break into the federal building in Oregon. This is exactly the same kind of gutter behavior as that, only more egregious in DC. I've heard it roundly condemned by almost everyone save for a couple politicians who made excuses (and nevermind Trump himself).

I know some are claiming that ANTIFA instigated this from inside. If you believe that, then you should happily condemn it as easily as condemning ANTIFA directly. And if you don't believe it, you should happily condemn it as behavior we've come to expect from ANTIFA.

Also, I hope this makes it very clear to everyone how ridiculous it sounds to call them "mostly peaceful" protests when they are riots or claim people who do it are just an idea.

Side: This is wrong
1 point

Part of the BLM/ANTIFA riots included nightly attempts to break into the federal building in Oregon.

Oh shut up you boring corporate shill factory. Include sources when you make claims otherwise they are just going to be ignored. The only related stories I could find were this one from December:-

https://deadline.com/2020/12/armed-protesters-enter-oregon-state-capitol-building-assault-police-chemical-agent-1234660385/

Which mentions neither BLM or Antifa. In fact if you look at the picture of them all waving American flags, then these were clearly right wing protesters.

And this one from July:-

https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=251013

Again, a single incident (or at least a series of incidents at one event). Again, no mention of Antifa or BLM. And the story is straight from the police homepage.

I just find you absurd, Amarel. Even if there were any credibility in the claims you make, and even if we could trust you enough so that we didn't need the source to check for ourselves, just yesterday you were here making excuses for the Republican violence at the Capitol building. You claimed it would be "denounced" by Republicans, thus trying to create distance between the violent elements and the rest of the party. But today you are here doing the exact opposite with left wing protesters. On the basis of some story you claim to have heard about a rogue group in Oregon, you've lumped all the members of two completely different social justice groups together, and tarred them all with the same brush.

Your right wing bias and your double standards are so laughably overt, unashamed and unapologetic, that you cannot possibly be taken seriously by anybody with half an iota of intellect.

Side: No it's cool
Jody(1746) Disputed
1 point

So you still support black rioters,thieves and vandals but condemn them if white at least you have steady consistency in your rabid racism

Side: This is wrong
0 points

If you haven't heard Republican denunciations, you are trying not to.

Side: This is wrong
2 points

If you haven't heard Republican denunciations, you are trying not to

What exactly is the point in denouncing violence which your own leader has incited? That just makes you look like a hypocrite. You supported the guy. You voted for the guy. You helped spread his message of hate and division. Now you're denouncing his violence? Really?

Side: No it's cool
Amarel(5470) Disputed
1 point

The President is the whole nations leader. It doesn't matter that I didn't vote him into office. You'll notice the vast majority of this nation denounced the Capital riot, even though Trump is the nations leader.

Side: This is wrong
Jody(1746) Disputed
2 points

Let’s hear yours cock breath?..................................

Side: No it's cool
Amarel(5470) Disputed
1 point

I already did. And since I don't owe you shit, I'll just refer you to Twitter.

Side: This is wrong

How about those Antifa and Black Liva Matter riots which have resulted in more murders and damages, than this? All violence is wrong, and we should stop looking for a label, when it happens.

Side: No it's cool
2 points

How about those Antifa and Black Liva Matter riots which have resulted in more murders and damages, than this? All violence is wrong

If all violence is wrong then why are you sat on your stupid ass attacking Antifa and BLM when Trump supporters are storming the Capitol building armed with guns? Why aren't you busy condemning the violence which is actually going on, instead of trying to excuse it by deflecting to other, unrelated historical violence?

Side: This is wrong
1 point

I am a Trump supporter not a Ttump worshipper as I belong to Yeshua, and I have nothing to do with Capital Hill. Regardless of ideology or Party, it is wrong, to agress upon the rights of another.

Side: No it's cool
Amarel(5470) Clarified
1 point

Even a broken watch appears correct twice a day. .

Side: This is wrong
Rusticus(807) Disputed
2 points

You are quite a disgusting turd. This isn't anything to do with anything racial other than the fact that the dumbest bunch of idiots to walk the planet attacked our countries most precious citadel of Democracy and those pieces of shit were overwhelmingly white men.

A traitorous mob of mostly super stupid white men stormed the United States Capital Building after being sent there by Donald Trump himself in an attempted coup. They were trying to overthrow the government and install Trump as a dictator. And that's it, that's what happened.

Side: This is wrong
1 point

I was talking about ideology, not skin color or ethnity. Antifa and Black Lives Matter are two ideologologica;y driven political organizations on the left, that claim to support black people, but really don't care.

Side: No it's cool
Jody(1746) Disputed
1 point

All violence is wrong, and we should stop looking for a label, when it happens

Who is the “we” you are talking about and who is looking for a “label”?

Trump should be arrested for his criminal behaviour but it seems American law does not apply to him

Side: This is wrong
NomLovesMarx(326) Clarified
0 points

We meaning some debaters, and the media, who tend to demand the someone be eithe a Democrat or a Republican, for them, to care. I am a centrist, but I did vote for Trump, and that is just my opion, as everyone has the right to theirs.

Side: This is wrong
Mint_tea(4597) Disputed
1 point

How about you address what's going on now instead of trying to smokescreen? Where is your outrage? If all you do is point the finger elsewhere then you are essentially saying this is ok. You haven't said one word against it until now yet if it HAD been BLM you would have gone crazy in the debate and yelled crap about Dems. Last I checked BLM and Antifa didn't break into the Capitol, but them good ol' boys waving the confederate flag sure did.

Side: This is wrong
1 point

Wow! What a piece of work she is downvoted me straight away for asking her a direct question , a typical response from a cowardly Trump supporter

Side: This is wrong
1 point

You are not telling, the truth. I think innocent political Parties, do not exist. Also, if you support Antifa and Black Lives Matter, you are a hypocrite. Crime is crime regatdless of label, and the dick size contest needs to stop.

Side: No it's cool

It's cool, mint tea. They didn't burn the place down nor did they steal crap from business that have nothing to do with it ;)

Side: No it's cool
joecavalry(39740) Clarified
1 point

Plus, it was funny to watch ;)

Side: This is wrong
Jody(1746) Disputed
1 point

You found watching people die funny? I guess that’s an American thing right?

Side: This is wrong
1 point

Five people got killed you idiot.

That's how you differentiate anti-fascist "violence" from fascist violence. No-one gets killed at the anti-fascist violence.

Side: This is wrong

Really? Maybe you live in an alternate reality ;)

Side: This is wrong
Lobstertail(24) Disputed
1 point

No-one gets killed at the anti-fascist violence

Multiple people were shot, and some killed, at the CHOP in Seattle, Washington. It was a left wing event in a left wing city.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/seattle-protests-CHOP-CHAZ-autonomous-zone.amp.html?0p19G=6214

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-53224445

Side: No it's cool
Amarel(5470) Disputed
1 point

True, Steve Scalise didn't die. Not for lack of trying. But those five dallas police officers a few years back died. That's just off the top

Side: No it's cool