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Where do you think Jesus was born?

I was listening to the radio earlier today while someone was talking about their trip to Jerusalem and explained that according to the guide and local's, Jesus was actually born in a cave.....and I thought....well that's not right, he was born in a manger!  So I went to the web to see what the thought was on this and it was pretty interesting.  We simply can't know or don't know where Mary was sheltered while she gave birth.  We have clues but the traditional thought (that it was a stable) may not be accurate.
This is but one article:
https://reasonsforhopejesus.com/was-jesus-born-in-a-stable-cave-house/

This is a debate assuming Jesus was a real person, son of God aside, this is more about the history then the religion.  

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It could have been a Super 8 Motel? Then it could qualify as BOTH a cave AND a manger.

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They may be an old chain but I don't think they are THAT old....though some have carpets that could be over 2000 years old.

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True enough.

And true story - the first time I brought my wife home to meet my family in Kansas I deliberately booked us in the Super 8 so should could get the full flavor of the Midwest. There were hunters in camo, pick-ups with dead game in the back and confederate flags waving, a Sonic Drive-in next door for fine dining, and a laminated poem in the room waxing about the many uses of the lowly rag.

Flavor complete.

Now we stay at the Holiday Inn when we go. Living large.

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Certainly not in a "manger". That has been quite soundly rejected by research. Just not practical at that time of year. It's a "made up" story by St. Francis of Assisi to "explain" the birth of Jesus. About 6 centuries after the fact, I believe. Nice try, though.

Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
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What's a "nice try"?

Also, can you site your source? I'd be interested to read it and I'm curious how it wouldn't be practical.

BiggieSmalls(12) Disputed
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He has no idea what he's talking about. Mangers exist at all times of years. Dog houses & barns don't vanish in December or May from out of nowhere.

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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Nice try was for St Francis. It was so long ago I read about this I can't remember where it was. There were several reasons that the manger was pretty much out of the question due to the sheep herding at that time of year and other factors. It was pretty convincing though, even the location. The St Francis thingy came from a theology friend of mine who quit and went to a regular college (he was studying to be a priest), became an unbeliever during the studies. Passed away now.

He was born in Bethlehem, raised partly in Egypt as a baby & Nazareth as a child.

Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
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I think you answered the question without reading the debate. :D Thoughts on the content?

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I think the Urantians think he was born in Urantia. Seriously.

Supporting Evidence: The Urantia Book cover (www.urantia.org)
Quantumhead(749) Disputed
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Supporting Evidence: The Urantia Book cover (www.urantia.org)

I wager there is a perfectly reasonable explanation why both yourself and bronto use the exact same "supporting evidence" footnote, right down to the font colour.

#BustedAgainShill

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Everytime the subject of the birth of Christ comes up I think of this documentary:

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Zeitgeist Part 3 of 9

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Bethlehem..................................................................................................................................

Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
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Please read the description, there's more to the question. :D

Where do you think Jesus was born?

Somewhere in modern-day Israel, according to historical accounts.

I read the story and refer you to the beginning of Luke 1-2......................................................................

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In the imagination of a Hebrew who was disgusted with the leaders of his religion and decided to make a change by creating a messiah that not only the Jewish people could follow but for the first time the Gentiles could become part of the Hebrew religion without birth rights. Kudos, to that man who remains unknown to this day. Since the original Jesus was in spirit only the birth stories were embellished later and that is why they are not cohesive