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Marital Sex Pre-Marital Sex
Debate Score:141
Arguments:118
Total Votes:149
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Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex

Just note we are not discussing about making a law on it. This is not the debate for it. It basically says: Which Is Better? Or Would you like people to stop having pre-marital sex? Something like that. 

Marital Sex

Side Score: 63
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Pre-Marital Sex

Side Score: 78

Let's see: The National Post reports that 25% of girls 15-25 years old have venereal warts (HPV). Transmission is not prevented by condoms. It is a pre-cursor to cervical cancer. The daughter of a friend of mine developed cervical cancer from HPV and may never be able to have children. HPV is incurable. The virus is permanent and the vaccine, Gardasil, doesn't fix it.

Side: Marital Sex
riahlize(1573) Disputed
3 points

All of your arguments on this side have been about unprotected, unsafe, carefree sex. This CAN happen in marital sex as well.

If people were careful, treated and given the appropriate attention to such diseases and sexual history, we wouldn't be having this problem.

I am not advocating specifically for premarital sex, I am advocating for being informed and educated before acting.

If you take a liking to guns, I have a good analogy:

Say you like guns.

You can have a gun and ONLY use it to defend yourself/family against an attacker (be it a human or animal).

OR, you can use it for the above reason AND for recreational shooting as long as you are safe while doing so. Taking all precautions with guns and the environments, along with being educated about the gun you have, it's safety and your safety.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

Not really, you don't go threatening and spreading STDs in Marital sex, eventually they would die out if most people had marital sex.

Side: Marital Sex
1 point

You are right .

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
2 points

OMG! You have given me the greatest of reasons to refrain from sex.

Side: Marital Sex

Seriously? Sex or pre-marital sex..................................................

Side: Marital Sex
2 points

Marital Sex Or Pre-Marital Sex

Marital...

Do no ask me why!

Side: Marital Sex
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
2 points

Why?

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
92nida(1410) Disputed
1 point

Lets just say... The bull has to feed by the border or it's shot in the head. Will say no more!

Side: Marital Sex

I support this side because it has a lesser impact on society.

Side: Marital Sex
1 point

Or fear?

What i see from you in this argument is mainly statistics. Some are laughable, as Christian propaganda cant be taken seriously in a debate like this, but even when they're accurate i cant really stand behind the conclusions you draw.

Automobiles, for example, kill an insane amount of people every year, or at least disfigure, disable, and maim them. You could look at all the very detailed and very specific statistics that prove this and conclude that staying far, far away from cars and streets and parking lots is the safest way to live. And you might be right. You will drastically reduce the risk of becoming one of those auto-related statistics, but you wont eliminate it (because people that abstain from sex also have the potential to accidentally end up with an STD, though its usually called a BBP or something at that point).

Or you could do what most people do and take it under advisement. Look at the horrifying and gristly statistics and endeavor to be a safer driver, to be more careful crossing the street and when in parking lots, but don't lose your head and run screaming from every automobile you meet.

For me, sex, safe as i can manage and as well thought out as i can plan, is worth the risk of possibly getting an STD. Or possibly killing myself. I've heard your piece before from health ed teachers, parents, and books, and i understand it all very well, but i dont like to let fear take the joy out of life. For you, the same doesnt seem to hold true, and i guess you'll have to decide if the toll was worth it. If the damage outweighed the cost.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

Christian propaganda? please. even physicians agree that pre-marital sex affects you emotionally. http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/255/27/

whether you like it or not not controlling your sexual desires and not dedicating your love to one person affects the people negatively much more than positively.

Side: Marital Sex

In the first 5,000 years of civilization, fewer than 20 Sexually Transmitted Infections (STIs) became common. That's about one every 250 years. In the last 40 years the number of common STIs has skyrocketed to over 60. That's a rate of 1 STI/year since North American young people started having sex before marriage, a rate increase of 25,000%. (That's not a typo)

Side: Marital Sex
ricedaragh(2494) Disputed
2 points

Did you ever think that maybe these STDs were unknown, or not known to be sexually transmitted, I mean up until 1867 it wasn't the general consensus that microbes caused disease.

You are confusing causation and correlation.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex

In the 1960s, one in 50 teens had a STI. Now over 1 in 4 does. That's an increase of more than 1250% if infected teens.

Side: Marital Sex
1 point

I would think that you and the rest of the man made global worming advocates would be happy that so many of the evil earth destroying humans are being stricken with the inability to reproduce and are spreading it to all the other earth destroyers. You should be celebrating. Its just Gods way of thinning the heard right?

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

What? ........................................................

Side: Marital Sex

Do you even know what it is you are trying to say ?

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
Lindsayrae(62) Clarified
1 point

....................................Ba ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

Side: Marital Sex

Teenage girls who have sex are twice as likely to commit suicide as girls who practice abstinence. ("Point of View" Dec. 10, 2004)

Side: Marital Sex
Lindsayrae(62) Disputed
2 points

I'm pretty sure I would have commited suicide by now if I had to wait till I got married... seeing how I don't believe in the idea of marriage. Although, I don't think I would've made it to 18 without pre marital sex.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

In case you have not notice, this is probability and does not apply to all.

Side: Marital Sex
iNeedSanity(33) Disputed
1 point

That's because the girls who practice abstinence who practice catholicism are afraid to commit suicide. Girls who don't have that religious view don't have to worry about commiting suicide. All I have to say is Catholic my balls :D

Side: Pre-Marital Sex

Teenage boys who have sex are seven times more likely to commit suicide than boys who are sexually abstinent. (ibid)

Side: Marital Sex

Girls who have abortions are six times more likely to commit suicide than those who don't.

Side: Marital Sex
1 point

In regards to the suicide statistics: why? Why do so many people kill themselves after abortions or pre-marital sex?

It could possibly have something to do with a culture that degrades people who take part in these activities? If you want an abortion, you can bet you wont be able to get one without having "pro-life" propaganda shoved in your face, and once you do you will be made to feel like a murderer. If you have sex often or before marriage, you will be made to feel like a slut. If a sexual relationship ends badly (most relationships, sexual or otherwise, do), you will be made to feel you made a mistake it putting out, or that sex was the reason things didn't work out.

In my country, which is rabidly religious, pre-marital sex is also a sin, a crime against god, and even in a religion of self-loathing, the guilt many people feel over angering the man in the sky is no small thing.

Andy posted further down that a girl tried to kill herself because she had sex and the kids at school started relentlessly bullying her for it. The problem isn't the sex in this case, its the relentless bullying. Sex might be the target of the relentless bullying, as it is with all the more mature name calling and guilt tripping, and while abstaining from sex might be the easier way to avoid all that, I'd be more inclined to waste my breath trying to curb a society that thinks sex before marriage is wrong and doesn't refrain from telling us so in the crudest possible terms. A society that drives sexually active people to kill themselves for the precised sin of being sexually active.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

the testimonies say differently................ http://www.premaritalsex.info/stories.htm

Side: Marital Sex
1 point

although many are GOD-Related there are some who mention other things and not god.

Side: Marital Sex

Scary Statistics

In 1960, there were two sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) that caused the greatest concern among medical doctors: gonorrhea and syphilis. Herpes was rarely seen. In the 1970s, one adolescent in 47 contracted an STD. Today, that figure is one in four, and there are now over 25 STDs which are contracted primarily through sexual activity, 50 to 100 different types of human papilloma virus (HPV) and perhaps another 50 diseases which may be passed through sexual activity.

About 15 million new STD infections occur each year in the U.S., one-quarter of them in people younger than 20. A recent study of 18- to 22-year-old sexually active women showed 50% were infected with HPV at some time during the three-year study period. A sexually transmitted disease is responsible for more than 99% of cervical cancers, and nearly all abnormal Pap smears. Using a condom, even 100% of the time, does not eliminate the risk of an STD.

And people ask me why I am do not support Pre-Marital sex.

Side: Marital Sex
Lindsayrae(62) Disputed
1 point

... oh come on, be realistic here, you can throw statistics at us all day, and that isn't going to change anything. Marriage in itself is becoming somewhat of joke- if you want to throw statistics around lets look at the divorce rates. To expect any one person to "save them self" (however, i think that term on its own is quite comical) is just naive. Sex is something to be explored and to be enjoyed, it's unfortunate that disease goes around, but kids are well educated on diseases, how to protect themselves from it, and in the end it's their decision, and their bodies. As for the suicide rates, you really think it's fair to throw in pre marital sex as a cause for suicide? Pre marital sex is hardly the cause for majority of suicides out there! And suicide is such a complicated topic on it's own, two people can have the exact same experiences, and one may come out completely unharmed and untraumatized where as the other did not. Pre marital sex is going to happen, a lot, instead of trying to force kids into thinking its wrong, or that they should "save them self", its more realistic and intelligent of us to give them all of the information they need so they can make an informed decision on what they choose to do with their bodies.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

While I agree with everything you said an am supporting your argument, a co-worker recently had her daughter try to commit suicide because she had sex as a freshman in high school and all her friends turned on her and started verbally and socially attacking her.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

Your line of reasoning is the same as me posting spousal abuse statistics and using them to justify to myself why i should never get married. And then urging others to do the same.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

Believe me, I hate the no premarital sex rule. Mr. Vibrator can only do so much. :(

Side: Marital Sex
3 points

You can only have sex if you're not married, at least according to the feminist fridge magnets in my kitchen. After marriage, you just sit awkwardly, or occasionally play footsie.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
2 points

which is a problem with today's society. People are not showing love , sincerity and compassion as much as they used to. I thought feminists did not like pre-marital sex, hmmm guess I was wrong.

Side: Marital Sex
ChuckHades(3197) Disputed
2 points

I'm sure most feminists love sex, it's just that no man would willingly mate with such self righteous, stuck up old trouts.

Why does sex have to be about love and compassion? And why is this not possible pre-marriage?

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
ChadOnSunday(1863) Clarified
1 point

lipstick-feminists.org

Feminists, at least based on those I've come across and based on things I've read in feminist literature (I've dated several and its easier to research it myself than pick and pry at their beliefs), are every bit as interested in sex as their male counterparts, only they are also trying to resist a culture that condemns and shames them for that (sound familiar?). Reclaiming the word "slut," for example, by way of showing that there is nothing wrong with being a slut.

And really? I heard that the grass was greener back in the day, too.

Side: Marital Sex
2 points

I believe it's best to have sex before marriage. Think of it as a test drive. See if your compatible in that reguard before you say your vows.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

I seriously don't see the problem with having sex before marriage. Especially if you're not planning on getting married for a long time.

It's nice to be intimate like that with someone you care about. Not because you're married and are expected to, but simply because you care enough for that person.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

It is the statistics that worry me so much to be honest................

Side: Marital Sex
Saurbaby(5579) Clarified
2 points

That's not because of sex before or after marriage though. That's just people not having SAFE sex. And who is against safe sex?

Side: Marital Sex
1 point

Let me clarify my view,

I think people should hold to their beliefs and values on this position (within reason).

Think of what sex means to you, as well as everything in relation (like losing your virginity, sexual history) and evaluate where you stand on such scenarios.

I believe you should only have sex with someone you love and that it should only be done if you will not regret it after. But this conclusion is based off of my values and beliefs about sexual topics.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

if that is what you believe then you should have sided marital, because all of what you said=marriage. When you know you will stay with that person. Also marital relationships are more secure.

Side: Marital Sex
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

if that is what you believe then you should have sided marital, because all of what you said=marriage. When you know you will stay with that person.

You do not have to be married to be in love, be in a committed, honest, faithful relationship or to even be in a permanent relationship.

Also, my personal beliefs should not be enforced on the rest of society. I have a standard method for anyone deciding this question or sex in general. THAT should be applied to society, it allows them to assess for themselves how they feel about sex and sexuality; and act accordingly within the law.

So no, I should have sided "marital".

Also marital relationships are more secure.

Marital relationships are idealistically more secure, but realistically they fall quite short of that. According to statistics, your chances of staying married is 50/50. The divorce rate is 50%. Obviously it's not more secure, it's not much more than if you were to simply "break up". Especially if you have no shared dependents (children/pets), many states allow internet divorces.

Note: I do not have a negative/pessimistic view of marriage, I am married myself, happily married. But I'm not clouded by the idealism of marriage; which is why so many probably end in divorce.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

Things have changed since the olden days; people used to marry at the age of 10, some as young as 5. I mean, what's the main point of having sex? Reproduction of course. And as long as both partners' bodies are mature enough, i'm sure its perfectly all right.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

See they were married. Pre-marital sex is different from child marriage. And a research has shown that married parents have a different affect on children than non-married parents.

Side: Marital Sex

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

Enough has been said on the matter already, it really depends on the society we are in, and how one arrangement affects alienation over another though dialectical interactions. In general though, per-marital is not only the ideal, but the omega and alpha of sexual interaction.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

Let's be realistic here and all agree that Marital sex is a thing of the past. There is nothing wrong with teenagers exploring their sexual desires... it's natural, and it's going to happen whether you agree with it or not. To expect someone to hold off from sex until marriage is just asinine. Sex is something to be enjoyed, and good lord, who wants to have sex with just one person their entire life? What fun is that? What experience do you get from that? ... and secondly, do you know the divorce rate these days? You spend your entire life waiting for that "special" person, and bam, 1 year later, you're left wondering why the hell did you save yourself for them? It's just not realistic to think that there's only one person in the entire world you should give yourself too.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex

sex is a good time(: i think its a new time, people have sex get over it. why committ yourself to one person you can do it with anyone without a preacher.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex

If you're sexually mature, why not use your junk the way it was designed to be used? Why wait for a government/religion to put its stamp of approval on your relationship status? Sexual promiscuity makes for just as fucked up an individual as sexual repression might.

Except sexual promiscuity ends with an STD on your penis and sexual repression ends with an alter boy on your penis.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

we were meant to have sex it doesent matter when it is as long as you have sex sometime in your life.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

What is the point of waiting til marriage? I mean come on sure its the whole oh waiting is nice but blah dee blah dee blah. Bullsh!t I believe everyone should atleast stick it in the cookie jar once to know if you will want to spend the rest of your life bowchika bwow wowin the same person or with someone else who can actually take care of your sadistic twisted needs. (example ie: Anal play, leather whips, needles, dominatrix, fat people, midgets, animals, and blood sucking insects)

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

because you know u wanna be good at it wen u get married so u can keep her

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

you need to know what youre getting before you , sign your life away to the same person. try, before you buy. if you dont like what you road test, no loss call it a day, walk away from it. you need to see if you like living with that person,first if its everything you dreamed of, ok then. once married harder to disappear into the sunset, if not impressed once married, then escaping the ball and chain, or rope around your neck, can get costly with a divorce..if kids involved more cost involved and emotional heartbreak too. please dont be put off marriage can be fun, while it works of course.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

there is a flaw in that logic, scientists have shown that if you have sex with more than one person in your life, you are actually increasing the chances of getting STD's if you have sex with someone who recently was in a relationship, you could be exposing yourself to the STD's of many people through a single act of intercourse, so the more you "try" the more diseases spread, not only do they spread, but the chances of getting infected by them are WAY larger. Also, many people who have had sex and broke up were more emotionally affected than those who have had a relationship but did not have sex.

Side: Marital Sex

having sex should be the final step in bondiing with a loved one. it doesnt seem like waiting until marriage makes sense. why marry a person that you are not fully bonded to. that is why sex is refered to as 'making love' . if one is in love, make the final step, have sex, and if the bond is made, get married. if not, continue on with the search for love and if its found again, continue to bond, then have sex. (not saying that strictly sleeping around is okay)

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

That is the whole point. In pre-marital sex you make a bond and it breaks easily. Marriage secures the bond. You can't just continue to break and connect bonds do you have any idea how hurtful that is? Finally, the more people you have sex with, the more diseases you spread, you could be exposing yourself to the STD's of many people through a single act of intercourse this way. This "try-before-you-buy" argument is going to increase STD rates.

Side: Marital Sex
1 point

You should never go outside because you might get hurt.

You should never get married because you might get divorced or have an abusive spouse.

You should never make any friends because those friendships might end.

You should never drive your car because you might crash an die.

You should never eat shellfish because it can be dangerous.

Do these seem reasonable? To a point, they're true, and i can back them all with statistics, but the conclusions I've drawn from them (abstinence) are foolish. Better to exert caution than submit to fear.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex

in this day and age, people are going to have sex before marriage it is just a natural thing, plus you test drive a car before you buy it, soo i honestly dont see what the big deal is if you have sex before marriage.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

As I said, The try-before-you-buy argument is flawed, all this does is spread diseases, emotional damage and make diseases stronger. If you have sex with many people, you could be exposing yourself the STDs of many in a single act of intercourse.

Side: Marital Sex

honestly in this day and age no body really cares what the bible has to say, teens and adults have sex before marrige, it is a very natural thing not to mention someones choice!

Side: Pre-Marital Sex
1 point

Yes, and now we have AIDs spreading everywhere. The more sex you have the stronger you make STDs and the more you spread it, if you have sex with someone who is not a virgin and has sex several times before, you could be exposing yourself to the STDs of many people through a single act of intercourse.

Side: Marital Sex

umm, the fact that just because the young girl tried to commit suicide doesnt mean it had anything to do with being sexually active, girls can be virgins and still be called a 'whore'!

Side: Pre-Marital Sex

As many others have stated, whether or not two people are married is less relevant than whether or not they are in a serious, committed, responsible relationship. Best-case scenario, they're old enough to be out of college, are living together, and have been dating for at least a year. Regardless, I personally believe that when people are in college, they are responsible for themselves and can make whatever choices they want. But anyway, I am absolutely for the exploration of sexuality, and I think that everyone has a right to share that kind of intimacy with someone whom they truly care for.

And above all, pre-marital sex =/= unsafe sex.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex

A person has to try on the shoe first to see if it fits. This is logical.

Side: Pre-Marital Sex