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Debate Score:19
Arguments:16
Total Votes:20
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Which bathroom should a transgendered person use?

A pretty straitforward question which do you believe and why? Most importantly, is why!

A woman? In a bathroom... with a urinal

Original Gender

Side Score: 8
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New Gender

Side Score: 11
2 points

Just because you feel like you're of a certain gender, doesn't mean you really are. Or that you should come into a certain bathroom just because you feel it's for you.

Many women would feel uncomfortable having a man in their bathroom, and vice versa, that's the reason why the bathrooms are separate, of course. So they should have some consideration for other people and understand that other people don't need to be stressed and put in bad positions just because they have some unresolved issues.

Side: Original Gender
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
1 point

What about post op? Which bathroom should someone who has changed their gender use?

Side: New Gender
Gloria(135) Disputed
1 point

I suppose that after a genderswitch surgery and hormonal therapy, you'd belong to the gender you went into treatmant for, so it would be okay to go into that bathroom. Once you're female/male truly, not just in your mind, it's okay to go into the bathroom that gender goes into.

Side: Original Gender
1 point

If we allow them to use the other bathroom then any pervert can say "oh but I think I'm a women so let me use the lady's room" and transgender is sketchy to me as it is. I'm not saying they are all faking but I have no doubt some perverts are.

Side: Original Gender
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
1 point

What about post op? Perverts are hardly going to be getting a sex change so they can get in the ladies room, it'd be a bit self defeating.

Side: New Gender
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

Post op would be fine because at that point you almost kind of are that gender sort of.

Side: Original Gender
1 point

This is a neutral argument, I'm only posting it on this side because it was losing. In sincerity, I think it matters how convincing you look. If you believe yourself to be a woman and look convincingly enough most people would think twice to question you about your gender, use the woman's bathroom. If you are a dude with a full beard, just because you put on a dress doesn't mean you can stroll into the ladies. I'll say vise versa for female to male trans gendered, but any place that a trans gendered person would go the guys there wouldn't be fazed by a female in the men's room.

Side: Original Gender
1 point

It shouldn't be that big of a deal which bathroom to use in the first place. if you were born a male then use the male bathroom.

Side: Original Gender
IAmSparticus(1516) Clarified
1 point

And if the transgendered individual looks, for all intents and purposes, to be female, don't you think people will freak out?

Side: Original Gender
2 points

Post op I think they should use the new gender because that is now what they are regardless of what it says on their birth certificate

Pre op should be the original gender purely for legal reasons

Then again if they partied in the clubs I used to go to it didn't really matter everyone just used the bathroom with the shortest queue

Side: New Gender
1 point

I second that. Before the operation they should use the original gender's bathroom. But after their operation they should use their new gender.

Side: New Gender

I think the person you're truly are inside is what counts. Just because you have one particular set of genitals, and might have ended up with the ''wrong'' set, shouldn't hinder you from being the person you really are.

Especially for the men who transferred to women - going to the bathroom is kind of a big deal for a woman .. I mean that's where you have the mini small talk about clothes, make-up and men - a part of being a woman is to go to the bathroom together, not only to pee but refresh your make-up and that stuff :)

As long as the transgendered women leave the seat down in the women's room, I'm happy :)

Side: New Gender

think about it logically, ok?

if you were for example a girl and you changed your gender to a boy, would you think that girls everywhere would accept your presence in their bathroom just because you once were a girl? of course not !! your current gender is male, accept it and move on.

Side: New Gender

Third bathroom. I'm sorry to say I find transgender off-putting (I wish them all the best and I would fight for their right to continue their development), but it bugs me out. Give them a third bathroom.

Side: New Gender
1 point

For the last numerous decades it has not been a problem. Why? Because if you look like a woman, you use the women's room; if you look like a man, you use the men's room. Problems solved. Don't ask, don't tell. Respect privacy. It's so simple. Let's just get back to that. If you are really concerned what is in someone elses underwear, you are the pervert.

Side: New Gender
1 point

Gender based division of bathrooms is a relic from the past, not all that different from separation of facilities for Whites and Blacks. People should be able to use any bathroom they want, and anyone violating the public decency laws while in a bathroom should be prosecuted and punished.

Side: New Gender