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Free will Predestination
Debate Score:121
Arguments:123
Total Votes:126
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 Free will (55)
 
 Predestination (54)

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Which gives you more hope?

For Christians:

If God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent, then why in the world would you want to have absolute free will? If God is a good and knowledgable and powerful king who cares about you and works all things for the good of those who love Him, then why would you want to be free of His fate that He has allotted you? Is it fear that God is not good? How does free will give anyone hope, while believing in a God of love? Does it not answer all of your worries, O Christian brothers and sisters? Does it not give you joy that God will take care of you and will only do that which is best for you? Is God not only the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob but also of you, O Christian brothers and sisters? Which gives you more hope: hope in the God of the Bible or hope in yourself? Which gives you more hope?

Free will

Side Score: 62
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Predestination

Side Score: 59
2 points

LOL, God is for free will, if you're against it, you're against him. Is that a sacrilegious tone I'm sensing in this post? Are you, lolzors, greater than God's plans?

Any way, is there even a hope to be had in predestination? It's predestined meaning if it's good or if it's bad, it's going to happen so nothing to hope for anyway.

Side: Free will
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

LOL, God is for free will, if you're against it, you're against him. Is that a sacrilegious tone I'm sensing in this post? Are you, lolzors, greater than God's plans?

I'm not sure if I am right in this or it is sarcasm working here, but is what you just said contradictory? Your first part suggests that we have free will but then the last part suggests that we don't have free will and that God is greater than all other plans.

Any way, is there even a hope to be had in predestination? It's predestined meaning if it's good or if it's bad, it's going to happen so nothing to hope for anyway.

And God is a good God; therefore, that which happens is for the best!

Side: Predestination

Well you know God did say he is pro free will, I think I read that some where.

Side: Predestination
2 points

"The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps."

Is this quote really in a bible somewhere? How does that not establish a blatant contradiction? I really want an answer, and you, lolzors, seems to be the man to ask about God.

Side: Free will
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

I have already told you. Compatibilism is what the bible teaches. Listen to what i have been telling you. That chapter in Proverbs is talking about the perceptions of humans to have free will. If you actually read that chapter it says the following: "The Lord has made everything for its purpose, / even the wicked for the day of trouble." Also it says, "All the ways of a man are pure in his own eyes, / but the Lord weighs the spirit." Please read in context.

Side: Predestination

If the wicked were made to screw up the then how is he benevolent. That's the most sadistic thing I ever heard of. It's like he's playing sims, and he keeps taking the doors away.

Side: Predestination
1 point

I will be what I want to be. Not a toy of some sicko wizard .

Side: Free will
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

You can want all you want but that does not change fact.

Side: Predestination
Lord_Satan(10) Disputed
1 point

The fact is that god doesn't exist and Jesus is in hell burning for eternity for lying and pretending to be a god.

Side: Free will
1 point

I'd say freewill. Mostly because if all of our fates are predestined, then god is a sick son of a bitch.

Side: Free will
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
0 points

How is God sick?

Side: Predestination
Warlin(1212) Disputed
2 points

If all of our fates are predestined, and there is a heaven and a hell, and god is omnipotent and all-knowing, as well as our creator, then that means that there are people who will lead evil lives and go to hell to suffer for eternity. This also means that these people have no chance of redemption because the course of their life has already been fated. Now, before you say, "Well they can turn to Jesus." No. They can't. Their lives are predetermined.

Now, if we're subject to predestination, and god is all knowing and omnipotent, this means that he could stop that any time he wants. But he won't. That means that the only reason there are people in hell is because god allows the cycle to continue. That makes him a bigger villain than the devil.

'course. I don't really believe in predestination. I couldn't live with myself if I thought everything I did was already slated out.

Free will means that we're free to choose what we are and who we are going to be. It means we can choose to do good things. And it also means that we're held absolutely for the things we're responsible for.

Side: Free will
Nox0(1393) Disputed
1 point

Psychopathic mass murder with obvious personality issues....

Side: Free will
1 point

People worship God because they choose to. .

Side: Free will
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

We have already discussed that. What you are saying is not Biblical. And that is not even the point of the debate. The point of the debate is to ask which one gives one more hope.

Side: Predestination
Sitara(11082) Disputed
1 point

You are wrong. What I am saying is Biblical. You do not have the right to judge.

Side: Free will
Lord_Satan(10) Disputed
1 point

If you truly worshiped the true god, first you'd be on your knees before me

and secondly, you wouldn't have made up your own god. You are not a god, so do not pretend you are.

You will burn in hell with me for eternity.

Side: Predestination
1 point

By far I will take the free will of my Lord and Savior. He set us up to have free will. Therefore I will respect him and praise him for giving me that.

Side: Free will

What's funny is that if it's religious it's called predestination. If it's scientific, it's called pre-determinism. Both science and religion have an argument against free will.

Free will is the apparent, self-evident state of existence. There are both atheists and religionists who can't stand that, it's scary.

Side: Free will
1 point

Predestination is a lack of any hope. It's like hoping in alternative end in movie recorded on VHS... it cannot happen.

Side: Free will
1 point

It seems to me that having Free-Will would make a person's life their responsibility because they would be accountable for their own actions. Everyone wants to pass the buck when it comes to that and so they do their best to prove they do not have Free-Will, whether a religious or atheist/secularist; yet, they make the decision to choose their faith or not. Every person who is on this website debating or visiting, have all made the decision to do so.

I don't believe I have Free-Will, I know I do; otherwise there would be no point to anything. As human-beings we have discretion and decide things.

To think that we do not have Free-Will seems absurd and self-contradictory to me.

Side: Free will
-1 points

What gives me hope is the fact that even if everyone else hates me, God still loves me. THAT cannot be replaced.

Side: Free will
Nebeling(1117) Clarified
2 points

I don't really hate you. Actually I am starting to kind of like you, but for some weird reason you call me things and say that I hate you. That's kind of rude you know.

Side: Free will
Sitara(11082) Clarified
1 point

You don't? Well shit, I apologize then. Maybe we can start over if you like.

Side: Free will
Emperor(1348) Disputed
1 point

You know how you used to think Santa Claus was real?

Santa isn't real.

God isn't real.

God can't love you because gods don't exist.

Side: Predestination
GuitarGuy(6096) Clarified
1 point

To be fair, you don't know whether or not Gods exist.

Side: Free will
Sitara(11082) Disputed
1 point

I don't care what you say as long as I have God, now stuff it.

Side: Free will
1 point

Predestination gives one the greatest hope because of what I have said in the above and because it is Biblical and definite.

Side: Predestination
Nox0(1393) Disputed
1 point

""...said in the above and because it is Biblical and definite"" omg :D

Side: Free will
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

Yes? Why did you dispute this if you are happy?

Side: Predestination
Nox0(1393) Disputed
1 point

""...said in the above and because it is Biblical and definite"" omg :D

Side: Free will
1 point

If you know something is going to happen, you can only accept it. But with free will, there is uncertainty, stress and pressure.

Which is what they would like you to think.

Side: Predestination