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Which is Correct? Calvinism or Arminianism?
Did God predestine the elect or do we choose?
Calvinism
Side Score: 56
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Arminianism
Side Score: 53
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Arminianism is unBiblical and unphilosophical, which means that it is illogical both from a theological and logical standpoint. There is no free will according to the Bible and according to logic. Paul's letters, especially... actually all of his letters.... lend support for Calvinism... actually the entire Bible does.. Thinking about it... where do arminians even get their theology from? What I have experience is that they get it from desire, not from the Bible. Sorry to any Arminian out there if this seems blunt. Side: Calvinism
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The Apostles also spoke that we should be of one mind and that if anyone goes against the doctrine that has been taught by them to not be welcomed into your house. They take doctrine very seriously. I am speaking to you the truth of the Bible and you are going against it. That isn't sectarianism; that is Christianity vs evil. Side: Calvinism
AHAHAHAH, yeah, you're right, aren't you? You sure beat his argument. Oh, but the BIBLE HAS CONTRADICTIONS, DOESN'T IT??? HEEHHEHEHE, you are so deluded, along with lolzors. I can't even believe I'm reading this. I am SO lucky to have clicked this. Oh, btw Lolzors, this is what I mean when I said in that other argument that you were straight up LYING. You're both going straight to the deepest pit of hell, aren't you? Baby Jesus laughs at you both, and I do too. Side: Calvinism
A bigot? Why don't you have better beliefs that I can't laugh at? I'm not a bigot for laughing at stupidity. When I see TWO CHRISTIANS fighting like this, to the point of anger, over an issue I was talking about yesterday, I can't help but laugh at your utter stupidity. Remember yesterday, when I said that contradictions in the Bible lead to fighting? http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Read what I wrote. It's exactly what happened here. I wouldn't be laughing so hard if I hadn't EXACTLY predicted this. But it's funny. You guys are even WORSE than what I had predicted. You are both so immature and your religion is so stupid that I can't help but laugh. It's a sick kind of laugh though. It's not funny. It makes me sick, because this same BULLSHIT is happening between Shia muslims and Sunni muslims. Who's right? Who gives a fuck, you seem to have forgotten that this issue is based in the SUPERNATURAL. You are fighting and getting ANGRY over MAGIC. You are both insane. Why don't you stop believing in your stupid bullshit and become friends like sane people? You know? You can hate me, but don't ignore what I'm saying. If you both had no religion, you would not be fighting. Your religion leads to anger and hate and division. That's why you're stupid. I'm not a bigot. I'm TRUTHFUL. Your religion is EVIL because look at how it divides people who could have been friends. You RUINED a potential friendship because of your stupid religion. Good job. Side: Calvinism
My beliefs? I don't think the supernatural is real because it's not proven. If you are getting so emotional about the supernatural, then perhaps you should take a look at the things in your life important to you. The reason why I dislike religion is shown in this argument. You have lost friends and allies because of your religion. You have insulted me over something you do not know is true. That is faith. That is insane to me, and if you do not agree then you are simply lying to yourself. You don't need to accept my beliefs as true, nor do you have to be an atheist to see how insane your argument with Lolzors is. You are both fighting about the Bible. If there is a Satan or something evil in the world, you are fulfilling his wishes. Side: Calvinism
I've never been against freedom of belief. When have I ever oppressed your freedom to belief? I laughed at you, yes, at you AND Lolzors, but I've never oppressed you. You're twisting what I said, just like Lolzors twists what you said. And it's quite clear you don't respect my beliefs. But I don't respect yours either, so I don't mind. This is quite a bit different than freedom though. I don't have to like what you believe to allow you to believe it. But if I see something funny, I will laugh and laugh, and I am seeing many funny and many SCARY things that you and Lolzors are saying. It is quite terrifying. Side: Calvinism
I think I should tell you what to believe on a debate site. You should believe the truth. And the truth is that the Bible is too unclear and too full of contradictions to be taken seriously or to live your life based off of it. Do you disagree with that? Why? How? I see fighting right here, and in the last argument I linked. You speak of Hell and Heaven but you have no proof. You call me Satan, but why? Just because you hate me? You think I'm "The Enemy"? What does that make you? Don't forget I'm just a human like you. You're not a god and you're not holier than thou. Side: Calvinism
You said the Bible has no contradictions yesterday. According to this argument, it DOES. If it had no contradictions, Dana wouldn't be saying you're wrong. Don't tell me you think you're some god and everything you think is true though, or I'll seriously question your sanity, even more than I do now. Side: Calvinism
No YOU'RE going to hell if you don't repent. You will suffer for all ETERNITY MUAHAHAHHAHAHA No you are insane, I am not going to hell, because hell doesn't exist. If it DOES exist, I would rather hang out there than with YOU in heaven, because you are a bigot against my FREE SPEECH. Plus you and your "god" are insane people who like to torture others. You think I'm bad? At least I don't imagine you burning forever in hell you sick horrible person. Side: Calvinism
I never said you should stop talking. I also find is amusing you call me Satan. But you should call me Lord Satan or Emperor Satan if you want to be more respectful. To me, Satan represents freedom, while your Bible represents "Do as I command". But I am not a satanist, and your close minded views only make you seem foolish. Which is exactly why you are fighting about the Bible. You are a fool. Jesus warned us about people like you. I recommend you keep your beliefs to yourself if you get angry about them so easily. Judge not, lest ye be judged. I am not Satan, but if you call me that, I cannot expect your god to ever forgive you. Side: Calvinism
The bible has no contradictions. I already answered how it does not: it can only be answered in a Calvinistic mindset. Dana just doesn't know what she is talking about and ignoring other Bible verses. I integrated both what she said and what I said into one. Side: Arminianism
Dana, without blindly hating and judging me, can you answer a question: What if you are both wrong? What if your god isn't real and the Bible is all fiction? Do you realize how stupid you'd sound if it's not real? If the Bible isn't true, but you are insulting people and attacking fellow Christians because of it, then do you realize why a person who doesn't believe that would laugh? Your argument and your anger is literally insane. Side: Arminianism
Once again. Why are you refusing to debate? :/ He has given you scripture that says, apparently, that you don't choose to believe in God. Do you disagree with what the scripture says on this matter? Or do you just disagree with his interpretation of it? If so, in what way do you disagree? Side: Calvinism
I just showed you that the Bible says that we do not choose God. If you want to disagree with the Bible, then so be it. However, the Bible is clearly against the notion. I can show you more verse from Jesus actually saying that we do not choose Him. Look up John 15:16; that is a clear rebut to your position from the mouth of your Lord and King. Side: Arminianism
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/ Side: Calvinism
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/ Side: Calvinism
HAAHAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHAHHAH THIS IS WHY RELIGION IS PURE UTTER POISON. THIS IS WHY I LAUGH AT YOU THIS IS WHY YOU HATE ME WHEN I SAY YOU ARE DEAD FUCKING WRONG. ALL OF YOU. You can't even agree. If this was the fucking MIDDLE AGES YOU'D BOTH GO TO WAR. You stupid humans make me sick. Side: Calvinism
Just to let you know you can block me or report me all you want it won't do a thing because that account wasn't a troll account to stalk you. I made it because you banned me from debates so made another account to say my word. Plus how the hell did I insult you? Side: Calvinism
How have I denied the Bible? I'm not denying that we choose; the question is how do we choose? The Bible would, then, say that God chose us to choose Him. You are also missing a huge part of the passage you are referencing, which is that this "choosing" is a rebuke to the people of God, since they had been told to get rid of false idols and to worship the Lord but had not. Stay in context. Side: Calvinism
No, I already told you the reasons why I have not denied the Bible: we choose once God has chosen us and you are ignoring the context of the entire passage. So, please, tell me: how do you reconcile Jesus saying that He chose us and that we did not choose Him? You must reconcile the entire Bible; you cannot pick and choose, which Bible verses you want to follow and which one you do not. Side: Calvinism
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Exodus 20:1-15 ESV / 313 helpful votes And God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, ... So I'm assuming you're Jewish... Christians aren't very well on gods goodside seeing as Christ is a false idol. Side: Arminianism
You're argument is a non sequitur and a logical fallacy. I have asked for you to explain it and you refuse to. That demonstrates that you either understand that your argument is illogical or you do not understand it yourself. P.S. "then" is not equivalent to "than" Side: Calvinism
"Exodus 20:1-15 ESV / 313 helpful votes And God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, ... " <--- bible passage about gods view on false idols. ^proof jesus is a false idol. Conclusion. So I'm assuming you're Jewish?... Christians aren't very well on gods good side seeing as Christ is a false idol. P.S Noone's perfect. ;) especially you. Side: Arminianism
Calvinism is much better. Calvin has a simple wisdom that can really help people understand some of life's complicated issues. And his trusted companion Hobbes is always making us evaluated what is real and what is just our personal perceptions of the world. Yep, I've gotten some of the best guidance for life from reading the great Calvin and Hobbes. Side: Calvinism
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