Which is better, "traditional view" or "libertarians view" on sexuality?
Do you think that the traditional view on sexuality has helped to ensure some level of respect and sexual morality in society but at the same time, do you think the libertarian view on sexuality is actually better because it applies to the present society and not the past as does the traditional views? The traditional view holds that all sex outside marriage is wrong and homosexuality is a sin and is therefore forbidden. The liberatarian view holds that sex is a activity like any other activity and it is part of being human whilst the traditional view also holds that sexual promiscuity is the cause of several sexually transmitted diseases and infections.
Traditional View
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It is our understanding that the libertarian viewpoint condones several sexual practices which contravene our own morality, but we shall take the definition given in the debate's description. It is our view, and has been for some time, that a person's sexuality is relevant only to potential candidates for a romantic liaison with the person in question. As to how being attracted to any particular group of people can be considered immoral, we cannot conceive. We make no distinction, in this regard, between persons attracted to brown hair and persons attracted to the same sex. It is the responsibility of the state to create an environment which is conducive to the wellbeing, mental and physical, of all its citizens. As such, we declare it to be impossible to fulfil this obligation whilst perpetrating sexual repression. Thus, the traditional view, which we take to be the advocacy of heterosexuality above all other sexualities, is not sufficient. Though we are loath to agree with liberals, if their view on sexuality is identical to ours, we cannot escape the unfortunate circumstance of doing so. Indeed, for those who remember our first posts, we came to CreateDebate a Nazi, thence a fascist, thereafter a conservative, and are now in danger of becoming a liberal. We shall have to write a manifesto before anything drastic happens. Side: Libertarian View
I believe you mean the liberal view on sexuality, because the libertarian view supports paedophilia and human trafficking. I support the Liberal view on sex, that is to say that what goes on behind closed doors in the bedroom between two consenting adults isn't the state's business and that sex shouldn't be repressed in our culture but merely treated with common respect and careful thought. Side: Liberal View
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I support the Liberal view on sex, that is to say that what goes on behind closed doors in the bedroom between two consenting adults isn't the state's business and that sex shouldn't be repressed in our culture but merely treated with common respect and careful thought. "Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government's treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships." LP Anything else is speculation and misinformation. Finally, you admit that you are liberal. If not liberal, please name one issue that you are on the other side. Side: Libertarian View
Anything else is speculation and misinformation. Right. Implied support for paedophilia and indentured servitude. The libertarian view is that government shall not enter our lives in cases of any moral decisions except property rights and contracts. Paedophilia may be immoral but government intervention to stop it would be against libertarian dogma about "coercion" (because they would be forcing you to behave in a way that is against your personal, private morality). The typical libertarian argument against banning sexual child abuse is therefore "whatever happens in private property must be legal otherwise you are a freedom-hating communist," "sex with minors is a form of contract which the state must honor," "government must not interfere in the market (in this case child prostitution)," and "laws against paedophilia don't stop it from happening anyway, therefore we may as well let the market handle it without rules." It's the same thing with indentured servants and slaves (trafficked humans) except these are so widely agreed upon as immoral that most libertarians don't acknowledge it. Finally, you admit that you are liberal. If not liberal, please name one issue that you are on the other side. Are you sure you're just not mentally handicapped? Apparently in your primitive mind one cannot borrow positions from ideologies that one appreciates. What a small-minded idiot. Side: Liberal View
Once again, blatant disregard for research or any kind of attempt to understand the other person's point of view. Libertarians believe in consenting ADULTS. Children, to Libertarians, can not consent to a sexual relationship with adults for they are fragile minded. Whatever reason Libertarians chose to believe this, that is their belief. I'm sorry it doesn't help you in attacking the Libertarian ideology. Side: Libertarian View
Once again, blatant disregard for research or any kind of attempt to understand the other person's point of view. I think you're just offended at the thought and didn't even try reasoning through libertarian philosophy to figure out my reasoning. Libertarians believe in consenting ADULTS. Children, to Libertarians, can not consent to a sexual relationship with adults for they are fragile minded. Says who? Libertarians approve of a lack of coercion (in other words no moral laws), and upholding contracts at the expense of signing parties. They care nothing for children because they support child labour in sweatshops. In libertarian philosophy the market solves everything and government can never work well, but only impede capitalism unless it is defending the country or upholding contracts through courts. I will repeat this point because it is crucial: libertarians do not approve of moral laws which they see as coercive towards individuality, and social engineering. Laws against sexual abuse are amongst these, unless you make a special pleading argument. I'm sorry it doesn't help you in attacking the Libertarian ideology. I simply take libertarianism to its logical conclusions because the naive are too enamoured with the "liberty" in the title to reflect on the philosophy. Side: Liberal View
If you think that's the libertarian view, you're mentally retarded. I'm a progressive liberal with an anthropology minor at one of those evil schools Fox warns you about that actually teaches shit. That is not the "libertarian" view. Libertarians were made up by the Koke brothers linklinklink If you want to support the smart attitude about sex, that people are going to do it anyway, it makes for a happier planet earth so give them condoms and educate them, then you are a progressive liberal, you are not a Libertarian Capitalist Anarchist the-rich take-everything-and-fool-them-with- It's bullshit. Go ahead and vote Libertarian and when the majority is Libertarian, see how many liberties you have left. It's a corporate smoke screen, that's all it is. I agree with apx. 50% of the democratic views since 1992, but that's 100% more than any other party on the ticket. Because Republicans are obviously bought and paid for, and Libertarian is a bs marketing backup to the Republican Party. A bunch of fucking morons on this site. When then did a Libertarian stand up against a Republican vote? Iraq? NO. FCC rulings on airport scanners? NO. Fucking Janet Jackson's tits way back? NO. You're puppets of the right wing you Libertarian bitches. They just manipulate you different than they did your grandparents, that's all ye rebels be. Republican's silly bitches. They come in later after republicans had their way with some bullshit like iraq and they say to you lame uneducated and tiny IQ fuckers "oh, that's not the Libertarian view," yet, next time there's a subject, magically they are republican on it. You Libertarians are worse than Republicans. Republicans, those in power know they server their special interests. You fucks act like you're the rebels. Ok rebels. Do something... Nothing, ever, for like 3 decades your bullshit has been going on. Learn something outside of conspiracy bs sites goddammit. Side: republican's are libertarian's pimp
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It is comical that you think that you ideals are always right while everyone who disagrees with you is inherently wrong and an idiot. Sound SIMILAR... Stalin, Mao. NEWSFLASH, you have been hoodwinked by your fucking progressive liberal idiot friends into believing that big corporations favor free market principles. Most CEOs love big government because without big government, there is no big business. BIG GOVERNMENT = BIG BUSINESS SMALL GOVERNMENT = SMALL BUSINESS There will be no corporate takeover of America because those large companies will actually have to compete in a competitive market unlike the regulated market that we live in now. Regulated markets always lead to large corporations because it squeezes out competition and favored by politicians who pick and chooses successors. If the libertarian party is a bs marketing backup to the Republican party, does that make the socialist or communist party a bs marketing backup to the Democrat party. Maybe you should learn something outside your fake delusional conspiracies of corporate takeover. Corporate takeover is already here with regulated markets created by government. Side: Traditional View
It is comical that you think that you ideals are always right while everyone who disagrees with you is inherently wrong and an idiot. Sound SIMILAR... Stalin, Mao. You know who also compared ordinary acts to murderous dictators as a means of creating hyperbole? HITLER! NEWSFLASH, you have been hoodwinked by your fucking progressive liberal idiot friends into believing that big corporations favor free market principles. Let me call Rockefeller on that one... ... ... I see. ... Thanks, have a nice day. He says that the free market made it legal for him to sabotage and absorb his competitors in widely unethical ways, and praises the free market for making him titanic-loads of cash. Most CEOs love big government because without big government, there is no big business. BIG GOVERNMENT = BIG BUSINESS SMALL GOVERNMENT = SMALL BUSINESS Typical libertarianism screw-up of basic cause and effect. There will be no corporate takeover of America because those large companies will actually have to compete in a competitive market unlike the regulated market that we live in now. Regulated markets always lead to large corporations because it squeezes out competition and favored by politicians who pick and chooses successors. Did you know that Poland invaded Germany in response to Hitler's increasing military power? If the libertarian party is a bs marketing backup to the Republican party, does that make the socialist or communist party a bs marketing backup to the Democrat party. If you don't support child prostitution and slavery, then you are a government worshiping communist! Maybe you should learn something outside your fake delusional conspiracies of corporate takeover. Corporate takeover is already here with regulated markets created by government. Thanks to free market capitalism, corporatism has replaced democracy. Hip Hip Hooray. Side: Liberal View
yep regulated economy is what caused all most all of the problems that libs love to scream as the fault of capitalism when actually it was government interference. just like today, obama taking over one sixth of the economy and forcing us to pay for a health care plan that is actually unconstitutional to make some one pay for against their will, and the new "cap and trade" thing going on which is really just cap and tax. Side: Traditional View
You Libertarians are worse than Republicans. Republicans, those in power know they server their special interests. You fucks act like you're the rebels. Ok rebels. Do something... Nothing, ever, for like 3 decades your bullshit has been going on. Libertarians are like religious fundamentalists whose sole answer to everything is "god did it!" The difference is that their point of dogma is "the market solves it!" It is the biggest cop-out because they never propose a solution but instead reference a process which might solve it. Side: Liberal View
Hmm... it always seems that your ramblings come from an emotional side more than a logical side... probably why you dislike Libertarians so much. Well, for some clarification: 1. Fox doesn't warn anyone about schools that teach science. and if we really want to go deep; even the Vatican supports the teaching of evolution. I guess it must be what you Liberals like to call "strawman". At most, Fox allows the opposing view (in this case, those against science) to present their point. Afterall, 40% of Americans don't even believe in Evolution according to a poll from a couple of years ago (and not a Fox News poll... lulz). Don't you think that 40% of Americans should be fairly represented on opinion based entertainment that Fox provides? If O'Reilly is willing to let Marilyn Manson and Bill Maher defend their views and actions, why not let people on the Creationist side defend their views and actions? Debate gets us somewhere (which is why it's so popular on this site). But I guess the mentality of hating Fox News stems from this fair representation stuff. W/e, the subject bores me to tears. it just gets on my nerves when you make shitty claims like "Fox is so anti-evolution". Even if that's the case, they're merely representing 40% of the nation. 2. Koke brothers did not make up Libertarians. Either William Belsham or Joseph Dejacque can be accredited to that. 3. I was not on this site, and I'm very sure most of us weren't when the Iraq situation came up. I always felt that we should have handled it with special forces instead of our entire military... unfortunately, that was not the case. Now, Libertarians are against the entire war... ask them, they'll tell you. I, on the other hand, am not a full on Libertarian. I believe that while the War in Iraq was a mistake, it's our mistake. Yes, we could have gone with assassination or covert ops, but we didn't. We have to fix it. Not to mention the issues with Iran and all. But why should I defend any of this? Libertarians, themselves, are complete isolationists. But seeing your hostility towards Libertarians really shows me that you know very little about what they believe in... it's almost sad, because I think a lot of Liberals think just like you. I noticed it with avskdeve or w/e the fuck. Read Reason Magazine or watch Penn and Teller: Bullshit! Research the Cato Institute... watch John Stossel. Listen to Andrew Nepolitano (a man who is constantly arguing with Bill O'Reilly since they disagree, usually... you know those Conservatives and Libertarians. Disagreement is actually agreement... right?) but anyway, I can speak for the Libertarians on some things, though. We are all against the bailouts... Bush and Obama. We believe that large businesses should be able to fail. Democrats and Republicans, though, are the ones in the pockets of these corporations that you hate so much. This is why the bailouts were successful. Look at who's in the Senate and Congress and even in the Executive Branch. Either Republican or Democrat. We hardly see any independents, especially any Libertarians. Hardly enough to make any difference in what goes on in government. Nope.. as long as you Democrats and Republicans hold power, corporations will be able to hold their power. It's how it's been for a very long time. Hell, the marijuana ban was from nothing but corporate interest. If Libertarians were in power, the right to smoke marijuana would have been a civil right. But to Republicans and Democrats, it was merely for the money (and a bit populist). But, I will say one thing. You're merely helping my theory that Liberals hate Libertarians just because they have the best of both ideologies. Free Minds and Free Markets. Conservatives call us sinners and secular progressives... Liberals call us Conservative. Eh... we can't get a break. Side: Libertarian View
Well, considering that the Libertines were the people who embraced sex and sin, I would put my vote on the Libertarian view. The Liberal view would be the same as the PC view. Not only should we allow people to live different lifestyles, but we should also make sure to not hurt their feelings and other bullshit. No. I like to make fun of gays just as much as I support gays to do whatever the fuck they want. I will use the word fag and shitfucker and also vote yes on gay marriage. why? Because the Libertarian view on sex and culture in general is "who gives a fuck?" Side: Libertarian View
Well, considering that the Libertines were the people who embraced sex and sin, I would put my vote on the Libertarian view. Including child pornography, child sexual abuse and child prostitution. That's the libertarian view, they defend the mechanisms to allow this. The Liberal view would be the same as the PC view. Not only should we allow people to live different lifestyles, but we should also make sure to not hurt their feelings and other bullshit. The liberal view is that sex is natural and shouldn't be repressed as unholy sin. The antithesis of the conservative view, essentially. why? Because the Libertarian view on sex and culture in general is "who gives a fuck?" The libertarian view is "who cares about morality or societal health as long as it turns a buck?" Side: Liberal View
libertarians don't have a solidified stance on this, thats the thing about libertarianism. libertarians just believe that government should not interfer or exist in our daily lives. you can be and in fact are a lot of Christian libertarians who believe government is unnecessary but still hold to their moral beliefs. so to a libertarian, they don't care what your sexual orientation is as long it does not infringe on the freedoms of some one else. so you people arguing that child molestation and child sex is supported by libertarians, no its not, unless for some weird reason the child agreed to it. but any way, so i have traditional views on sex but am ideological libertarian. Side: Traditional View
so you people arguing that child molestation and child sex is supported by libertarians, no its not, unless for some weird reason the child agreed to it. It is supported by the fact that: libertarians just believe that government should not interfer or exist in our daily lives Libertarians seek no government social controls. Therefore sex with children is legal. Side: Liberal View
yes if both sides agree to it, as i mentioned in the next sentence, but honestly, how many children do you know or parents that would allow their child to have sex with an adult, as i also said. no government does not mean no morals or parent leadership. kids are still at the whim of their family. Side: Libertarian View
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