Which is more effective, prayer or hard work?
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This is one of those times when it really depends on the situation. And there are always exceptions.
I know in my life there have been times when I felt that God was saying 'go left' and I wanted to go right. So I worked my tail off trying to go right but never really went anywhere.
But on the flip side, I can pray for hours asking God to send more clients to my business but most of the time the answer to my prayer wasn't a phone call from out of the blue from someone wanting my services. Rather, my answer is usually God leading me to 'do' something. And when I've obeyed and done it, I've gotten the new clients I was asking for.
So really, I say they go hand in hand. Pray first, then get off your duff and go do whatever it is that God tells you to do.
My $.02 worth anyway.
Well, from a Jewish and therefore Christian and even Muslim perspective, both prayer and hard work (or acts of kindness) are two of the three pillars of religion. In Judaism, the three pillars are study, prayer, and acts of love and kindness. This argument is therefore fairly nonsensical unless someone goes into what takes precedence- and in that case, there is a debate to be had. Religiously though, at least in the Old Testament, they are equal and separate and if you believe that God can do things according to your prayer, then you would disagree with the above picture because then prayer does in fact solve the problem. Personally, I think a balance of all three is what people should be paying attention to and striving for. I also think that just praying, just studying, or just acts of kindness, are not enough.
Effective in what way or ways Loud? You can do both at the same time so no one loses time off from their hard work of the day. I think they're both effective in different ways no matter how you look at it.
The difference between prayer and hard work is the with hard work you see the result immediately and know if adjustments need to be made. In prayer you don't always know you're going to get what you pray for and you don't always recognize what you do get instead. I think that's why prayer shouldn't be used for absolutes.
God, make me rich, God let me find the job I've always wanted, God don't let me suffer anymore, God please keep me healthy. You're not looking to find the way to those things...you're looking to have those things done for you, NOW. God, lead me, God, help me, God, show me. God is not immediate but He can show you the road to what you want and need if you'll let Him.
Side: Both are effective in different ways
I've found in my life, prayer is the most important aspect.
Praise his name...
Whenever I'm feeling down in life,
lost a girl,
lost a job,
a loved one dies,
a moment of silent reflection can really turn it around, and show me the way.
So say it with me, my fellow non-aetheists -
haha, tricked you, you're all going to hell now
well the real question is is there someone listening and if there isn't whats the point also if god knows all sees all heres all etc then wouldn't he already know what your going to ask for (or she for political correctness) and if thats the case would't all your prayers be answered before you asked them and if thats the case do you still need to ask?(my mom says yes) so its kinda interesting to think about. so i bet you wonder why i'm on this side opposed to the other it comes down to the simple fact if on the off chance my prayer gets answered with a yes (which for me isn't all that often) then it takes a lot less time and effort.
and it gives me brownie points with the man(or woman) upstairs
The poster you put up pretty much summarizes my views. If prayer helps people get through the hard work however, then more power to them- but in the end, hard work is the tried and true way to be the most effective in anything you do, unless those matters are of a metaphysical sort.
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I believe in facts that can be demonstrated. On those grounds, there's no contest. Prayer may or may not do some good; it makes some people feel better (though the God to whom they pray seems to have an uncanny resemblance to Santa Claus or Mr. Wizard). The effectiveness of work is visible.
The only prayer I've ever thought either worth the breath it took to say it, or sufficiently respectful of any God worthy of the name, is "Help me to have a better understanding of your will, which will always be the right thing to do, along with the willingness and courage to do it."
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Not doing anything can solve something, but if you do hard work you don't let it be a coincidence.
If you pray you expect the coincidence to happen and if it doesn't you think you haven't prayed enough, if it does you think it worked and start believing in whatever religion told you to do it even more.
After you believe even more you start taking seriously even things you previously thought were absurd... and a fundie is born (and every time that happens a happy kitten dies of cancer).
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WARNING: Open mind required.
Hard work is prayer. I find this kind of debate very frustrating as is presumes so many things that causes it to become a false dilemma. What is your definition of prayer? And how do you know what hard work is?
I understand that many people do not believe in God, prayer or anything remotely religious, and that is fine, but to those of us who do - we can often see the results of prayer where hard work will simply not change anything. So from the perspective of a person who does believe in prayer and hard work I think that these two are not mutually exclusive.
When I work hard and I know that the work I do is in line with God's will (which I establish through prayer) then prayer and hard work are two elements of the success I have in life.
Side: Prayer requires hard work and visa versa
Haha, right...because all liberals are socialists who just think everyone can smoke pot and put flowers in their hair, sing songs about peace, and everything will be alright. I personally want people to be lazy, do nothing, and allow the government to send them steak dinners every night. ;)
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Hey, that's my life in a nutshell except the part about putting flowers in my hair and I never heard AC/DC sing about peace, but I live off steaks, mad cow be damned, and I grow my own skunk. I owe it all to hard work, I had a massive stroke at 38 and now I pray every night.
Praying may work sometimes, but is not a reliable option. Praying is only hoping for something you wish to happen, which it never always does (That's how world is). It is just wishing, not physically doing anything for it to happen.
When working hard, you actually do something for a favorable result. You may pray that your work will be successful as you do the work, building up effort. But overall, hard work is effective.
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I disagree, and apart from trying not to be too offended, I don't think you are fully looking at prayer. I can't say if prayer is necessarily helpful or not. However, even if there is no God, and the prayer is futile, at least psychologically it can, CAN, help people get through things. Even biologically, and this is something doctors have no explanation for, people have somehow survived unbeatable illness through sheer will. Well, if will can get you through that, and prayer can give you will, then maybe that can help. Also, think about doing hard work- if you do lots of charity work because you want to get to Heaven or whatever, who cares? The important thing is that you're doing it. The reason is less important than the end result. Personally, I believe in both hard work and prayer, but even from a secular point of view, it has at least some benefit.
The first problem with prayer is that you may not get what you want.
The second problem is that if you eat beans and on the other island that you KNOW you will never be someone has his/her own beans, and you don't want them to eat those beans because you think your 'eating beans' is special and wouldn't be so special if the guy/girl somewhere else would eat HER beans.
Did I mentioned I had a few beers?
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