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Which is the better? Trump's;- America First. Biden's:- Taliban First.
In Biden's radical-socialist/Woke America Americans come 5th or 6th.
Criminal immigrants, Layabouts, Street people, thieves and now our Enemy of 20 years all take precedence over the average hard working, law abiding citizen.
Good going there Ban-Joe, keep plucking those anti-American strings.
Under instructions from his woke puppet-masters poor old Bungling, senile Joe has been signing Executive Orders the context of which he is largely unaware.
PARTY GIRL A.O.C., WHEN I HAVE A BRAND NEW HAIRDO PELOSI AND LAUGHING GIRL HARRIS HAVE LITTLE OLD JOE IN A REAL SPIN.
THEY HAVE HIM SPINNING SO FAST HE'S GOING TO DISAPPEAR UP HIS OWN ASS ANYTIME NOW.
Biden gave a speech a couple of days ago when he condescendingly squeaked out that he knew how the American people were suffering from unprecedented price rises, the ever spiraling cost of fuel and the fall-out from the border emergency.
This fruit cake must be joking, why?:-
1)Biden'squantitative easing is causing the inflation.
Swamping money into the economy doesn't increase productivity, it only in creates a situation whereby demand outstrips supply/availability, so up go prices.
2)Biden's canceling the Keystone Pipeline and his personal failure to persuade the Saudis increase production of oil and gas has ensured that fuel prices will continue to rise for the foreseeable future.
3)Biden, and BIDEN ALONE was the fool who annulled Trump's successful Southern Border policies, sent out the message that every piece of filth from the world's failed nations would be welcome in BIDEN'S-EASY-TOUCH-WOKE AMERICA, AND THEN EXPRESSES WIDE-EYED INNOCENCE AT THE CATASTROPHE ON OUR SOUTHERN BORDER.
THIS MAN'S MENTAL DETERIORATION IS WAY BEYOND SENILITY, HE'S STARK RAVENING MAD.
why wont you make an argument without insults and buzzwords? there's no one to be offended by your insults or the suggestions of your buzzwords. It seems odd to say Biden is ravening when what your saying suggests that you are hungry for the support of people who agree that the liberals are idiots. I also think its regrettable that you (as I believe you to suggest here), and I assume many of your republican peers, favor raising American incomes to the point of excess, rather than being compassionate to people in other countries. I believe you will not think good of utilitarian action as it means the things that your unstable happiness is based on dwindle. This includes material things and, as an example, having to work hard for success. Why do you care about how fair the world is, because I suspect that it is deeper than the lessening of your material possessions. A government's purpose, which I will argue with you on if you disagree, is to, in this context, allow the most amount of people, under the government, to live at a base level of resources, that they can with the resources they have. The distinction of people under the government is not made as a matter of pride, but because of logistical convenience as it applies to other people living at or above a maximum base level of resources relative to the entire system of governments. When you say pieces of filth from the world's failed nations though, it is a resource rich government that will lift them to the maximum base level under utilitarian action.
Unlike people such as you I think for myself and come election time I peruse the two main party's manifestos and decide which one is most compatible with my own agenda and which party is most likely to follow through with their declared policy statements.
I view the ideologies and policies dispassionately and without prejudice.
So, I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat.
In a free market democracy governments should be creating an economic environment in which entrepreneurial enterprise can flourish and foster the social structure which develops naturally from the success of the few to the relative and sliding scale failure of the many.
All life is a competition, and as with all competitions there will be winners and losers.
Yes, the losers will bellyache and try to change the rules, but trying to meddle with the laws of natural selection, or, in other words change what nature intended will inevitably lead to disaster.
In the world of academia there will be those who will excel and achieve top grades, and this fair and natural system of grading will go the whole way through the grading system right down to the academic failures.
Another major responsibility of governments is the protection of its citizens and the securing of its borders.
Neither of these two criteria are served with the flooding of the country with 100s of 1000s of diseased ridden low-lives who made their respective countries of origin into the shit-holes and who are more than capable, given sufficient numbers, of turning the United States into the same social and economic cesspits which they left behind.
One consistent certainty is that sanctimonious people such as you always conveniently overlook is that there will be a high percentage of the IMPORTED-FILTH who will be dedicated terrorists along with those who will be radicalized and become terrorists.
There will be many of their number who will be criminals including murderers, rapists, muggers pedophiles, drug suppliers and dealers and of course the largest group, the spongers.
Yes siree Bob, DAY-DREAMING, DON QUOTIX PROGRESSIVES LIKE YOU CAN MORALIZE AND SPEW OUT YOUR WOKE DRIVEN SOCIOLOGICAL DRIVEL WHILE SITTING BACK ENJOYING THE FREE RIDE WHICH THE REALISTS PROVIDE FOR YOU
"We make use of uniquely comprehensive arrest data from the Texas Department of Public Safety to compare the criminality of undocumented immigrants to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens between 2012 and 2018. We find that undocumented immigrants have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes. In addition, the proportion of arrests involving undocumented immigrants in Texas was relatively stable or decreasing over this period. The differences between US-born citizens and undocumented immigrants are robust to using alternative estimates of the broader undocumented population, alternate classifications of those counted as “undocumented” at arrest and substituting misdemeanors or convictions as measures of crime." Is the abstract of a Princeton approved PNAS article by Light, He, and Robey. My mistake for characterizing you as a Republican, I do not vote because I dont really care much for who wins, the last sentence you made was actually quite accurate, except I dont think realists provide much at all for me, technological advancement in the last 200 years was made by mostly socialist thinkers and if youre referring to farmers or something I appreciate the food but I work a job and pay taxes and i dont care if my money gos to imported filth, they can ride off my work all they want because im not stuck up on fairness in this way you seem to be. A few of your paragraphs are responded to better in my response to your argument below.
Once more, in a free market democracy it's the PEOPLE and notGOVERNMETS who decide the level of their own individual standard of living.
Everyone is assured of the same equality of opportunity but in the real competitive world of dog-eat-dog and varying abilities no one can guarantee the outcome/results of its competitors.
it's not surprising that the nomadic low-lives by-pass the oil and mineral rich nations of Africa and the Middle East to get to the U.S.A, and the easy-touch countries of Europe, especially the U.K.
You're the epitome of the standard progressive liberal who enjoys the smug, warm feeling you derive from occupying the moral high-ground by advocating that we give the hard working taxpayer's dosh to life's losers.
again, i dont care what you think i am the epitome of or whether nomadic people from Africa and the Middle east live low lives, from these unnecessary statements it seems youre trying to take the intellectual high-ground as opposed to the argumentative one. I have no smug warm feeling of occupying a moral high-ground because I am trying to be open to your ideas, which may be much better than mine, it seems someone who feels smug on the high-ground would not listen to the ideas of the those on the low ground, it seems more fitting for them to insult those on the low-ground and generalize them into standard progressive liberals for example. I know too little about politics too argue with you on practicality(which is quite similar to what i think is your idea of progressive liberal scum, so please dont talk about that in your response) but it seems to me as though too many people who decide to work hard to have a high individual standard of living provide little real service to advancing technology and use their personal fortunes for unnecessary things, is their no way of allocating the profits made from services to people at a base level and proportionally funding the advancement of services based on their profit and utility? as I said before, why do you care about fairness beyond the base level? reducing the difference of opportunity for those at the base level to the richest is a fairness of opportunity as opposed your idea of fairness of money proportional to work which means you again seem to care more about unnecessary material things (those not at base level) and not of technological advancement (which can increase the base level so the base allows for greater opportunity in exponential progression, where opportunity is not competitive but based on more effectively teaching children). The world is only dog-eat-dog for those who want material things, which is much more limited than information. Ideally, the beauty of information is the primary incentive. You have to step on very few people to live a life at base level.
Most of my argument is anecdotal and therefore, in legal jargon, not admissible in the accepted meaning of bilateral discourse.
What I can state is that you are an intelligent, well balanced person who believes in fairness and equality for all.
Please permit me to indulge in the fool's practice of offering advice.
Forget about everyone else, think only of yourself and be 100% aware that most everyone you know and will come to know would sell you down the river if it meant the advancement of their own interests.
Learning this truth the hard way, which most people have to do, can be a painful, very painful experience, so if you wish to ignore what undoubtedly sounds like condescending guidance, at least tread warily and question the motive(s) behind what others do and say that affects you.
LOVE MANY-TRUST FEW, AND ALWAYS PADLE YOUR OWN CANOE.
Thanks man, good luck to you as well. I think from the state of my mind so far that ill forever be content with the state of the world and the possibility of my friends having little care for me. Though i still hope to think of more people than myself, at least in the way of not making their lives more difficult. Everyone is in the same river as you too though, maybe take a break from paddling to let someone in the boat with you, so you can push them farther in the river, if they paddle on without you and leave you unable to paddle any longer, either someone will help you paddle on farther or you can just appreciate the beauty of the river, the plants, the animals. If you can always have this appreciation you can find happiness in letting the river carry you where it may.
Thanks man, good luck to you as well. I think from the state of my mind so far that ill forever be content with the state of the world and the possibility of my friends having little care for me. Though i still hope to think of more people than myself, at least in the way of not making their lives more difficult. Everyone is in the same river as you too though, maybe take a break from paddling to let someone in the boat with you, so you can push them farther in the river, if they paddle on without you and leave you unable to paddle any longer, either someone will help you paddle on farther or you can just appreciate the beauty of the river, the plants, the animals. If you can always have this appreciation you can find happiness in letting the river carry you where it may.
A very superficial resume' of my experiences will, I hope give you some idea where I'm coming from.
Born into extreme/desperate poverty which manifested itself in various ways including;- going to school with no breakfast in my belly, holes in my shoes, not properly washed and having to wear 2nd hand threadbare clothes.
As the eldest son with 5 siblings it was up to me to try to beg, STEAL or borrow food for the rest of us to eat.
As someone said to my mother, ''your son is going to get into trouble for finding things''. Why? asked my mother. ''Because he finds a lot of things before people have lost them.
That's the upside of my childhood.
Who gave me a break? ME.
Before starting my own business my employment career culminated in being appointed General Manager for a multi-national corporation in two states.
After this I commenced my own company where I had a workforce of some 130 full-time employees.
I ran my business for 28 years and, as you put it, had around 130 rowers all helping me to paddle my boat to the ISLAND of DREAMS.
I have, what I consider to be a very pleasant home and a modest villa just outside Nice, Cote d' Azure , France, that is, frustratingly very difficult to visit due to covid-19.
I could write catalogues of the dirty tricks my ambitious colleagues hit me with while I was in employment and the even dirtier tricks with which I countered but you wouldn't believe me nor be interested.
Whatever malicious tactics were commonplace in my place of employment was like the proverbial Sunday School Party in comparison to the skulduggery I experienced whilst running my own business.
You either have the balls for surviving and prospering in the DOG EAT DOG, AND CUT & THRUST WORLD OF BUSINESS, or you don't.
I genuinely hope you enjoy the rest of your life and trust it will be a long one.
After long and serious deliberation with our Military Top-Brass Ban-Joe decided to evacuate our troops from Afghanistan and operate his much touted''over-the-horizon'' strategy.
The Afghanistan troop and civilian personnel evacuation;- Total and unmitigated disaster.
Biden's over-the horizon-strategy;- total and unmitigated disaster.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK THERE JOE. AT THIS RATE YOU'LL HAVE U.S.S UNITED STATES of AMERICA SUNK AWAY AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
Biden's recent anti-American activities include his thinly veiled policy of;-
MAKE THE TALIBAN GREAT AGAIN.
Some of his other goals are the creation of Jobs for immigrants, but none for Americans as well as intensifying the suffering of human beings at our Southern Border by totally ignoring the numbers of criminals awaiting to surge into the U.S. and are now counted in the 100s of 1000s.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK THERE BIDEN.
HOW CAN ''ONE MAN'' UNNECESSARILY CAUSE SO MUCH MISERY, HARDSHIP AND DEPRESSION TO A NATION OF SOME 330 MILLION?
HEY BIDEN, DID YOU MAJOR IN HOW TO CREATE DISASTERS AND DESTROY NATIONS?