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Fascism is practical. Communism is idealistic. Therefore, communism is necessarily better.
However, when you combine them together, then you form the best form of government, which is both practical and idealistic. This is the type of theocracy that I will govern one day. Though, for all you NSA peoples and FBI peoples who are probably going to be looking at this: I am not going to institute a coup d'état. I believe that whatever government I am under has reign over me and their laws should be abided by, as long as they do not break God's laws. Therefore, I am referring to the extended future, for when I believe the US to have collapsed. Therefore, this is not treason.
Well, I actually think, given the right leader and mindset of the person, communism could be a hell of a lot better than capitalism.
National socialism is just terrible, I'm not talking about the war, I'm talking about their policies, I mean they're just bad!
Communism at least tries to target these and give everyone a fairish chance, instead of " rich get richer, poor get poorer." In every instance, national socialism has failed horribly. Cuba has communism and they're doing quite well!
Your point was that America is a better place than Cuba, which is why more Cubans live in Florida than in Cuba. If that wasn't your point, then your argument makes very little sense..!
Fascists are worse morally because they pretend to fight for freedom while they really take freedoms away. Hitler and Bush Jr. are two perfect examples.
Bush jr. was not as bad as people try to make him out to be. War time calls for presidents to make difficult descions. Look at some of the actions Abe Lincoln took during the civil war, and we still call him one of the greatest presidents. I am not saying Bush's campaign was not without fault, but to call him a fascist is a gross over exaggeration.
1) I am not liberal or conservative. If I am anything I would say that I am a nonpartisan moderate.
2)what happened in the Middle East was in the makes long before bushes term in office. Back during the Cold War days, America made some shady deals with afghan rebels to help combat the soviets. Those rebels in time became the terrorist group al qaeda. While not all his descions worked out for the best, he ran a fairly successful war campaign. What I liked about bush is 1) you knew where he stood in things, and 2) he actually worked during office instead of trying to market for the next election. That was probably also his biggest blunder since it allowed the media to criticizes all his actions without giving a response.
I'll put the bush thing on pause while I talk about the liberal thing. I would like to continue it but it is difficult to have two conversations going on at once.
That exactly what communists do to. In fact that's what all tyrannical regimes do that's how they get into power. Never in history has a dictator come into power using "consider yourselves my property" as his tag line.
I support neither communism or fascism. I am just saying that fascists are sneakier and more hypocritical than communists. Communists are honest about not caring.
Actually communists are less truthful than anyone. They claim to bring freedom when really they bring slavery, they claim the factory's belong to the workers when really they belong to the state, they claim to empower the peasants when really they just make everyone peasants at least with fascism most of supporters know what they are signing on for and see the draconian rule over society as a necessary step in furthering their goals for the betterment of their people. With communism it's like "down with the oppressive upper classes power to the workers, redistribution of wealth, equality as peasants uh..I mean rulers yes rulers that's it. And if you disagree...your family will never know what happened to you."
My perspective of Marxist communism is a society were people contribute what they can and take what they need to survive. It is an idealistic future that is likely unattainable in the real world, yet that ideal is still preferable than nazism,
Well then you might as well say that you prefer a magical land with wizards and dragons over Nazism, I thought we were sticking to options that actually exist?
Because the type of communism you're talking about is about as real as fairy tales. Now government controlled communism has always ended up being almost identical to Nazi practices.
I can see that real world communism is almost identical to Nazism. I just believe the fact that the idea behind it was suppose to lead Russia to become a supportive community as opposed to the Nazis motive of racial suppiority. I do not mean to say that I would like America to become communist, just of the two evils communism seems to be the lesser, by a slight difference.
Communism is not only an impossible thing to accomplish, therefore filling people with false hope, but it makes everyone 'equal'... so much so they are all equal in slavery rather than unequal in freedom.
The "Why is this a thing?" meme comes to mind here.
I agree. One of the things that makes it so dangerous is its appeal. On paper it's a great idea so people still support it despite what it's led to in the past. People often wright it's history off claiming "that wasn't real communism" ignoring that those dictatorships resulted because that's what communism is in a practical sense. The government needs that much power and control to effect the changes in the communist manifesto and that always results in tyranny. My favorite quote on communism is "Communism is a good idea that just doesn't work"
that or "under capitalism man exploits man. Under Communism just the opposite is true" Its true genius because if you said "man exploits women" and then flipped it so that the opposite is true than "women exploits man" so In the comparison of capitalism and communism given above under capitalism man exploits man but when you flip it so the opposite is true you get Communism under which man exploits man. It's brilliant word play unless I'm miss interpreting it.
They're right in saying that it's not 'real' Communism... because 'real' Communism is impossible to achieve. It was a good idea that forgot to factor in the Human element.
This is why I'm not a fan of blind optimism. It leads to more suffering than anything else.
Indeed. It relies on an all powerful unrestrained government to run the businesses, (otherwise privet persons get rich can't have that) and distribute wealth amongst the population. But at the same time requires that same government to be genuinely benevolent which doesn't happen 9 times out of 10 when you give a person or group of people that kind of power they will abuse it. Not to mention that Stalin alone killed more of his own people that hitler killed Jews. Not to mention all the other communist leaders that also committed genocides. Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Chaves, etc. the Nazis are guilty of attempted genocide compared to those guys.
Well if we take it from wikipedia (though you could get it out of the dictionary as well):
Misanthropy is the general hatred, mistrust or disdain of the human species or human nature. A misanthrope, or misanthropist is someone who holds such view or feeling. The word's origin is from Greek words μῖσος (misos, "hatred") and ἄνθρωπος (anthrōpos, "man, human"). The condition is often confused with asociality.
I guess you can mark me in that category as well I have a general distrust of humanity as well. Also pay attention to which side your arguing for. Several of your previous comments have been in favor of the other side. You can change the side you are supporting in the argument window above the text box under "you support this view" and at the bottom of an argument in the debate window. For some reason thought the website isn't recognizing them.
Yeah same here. It's best to keep it in mind though especially if you backing up an ally. Just read all the option at the bottom of the text box before selecting one to make sure your selecting the correct one. Just a bit of advise.
Commune movement in the '70's was successful, though the "society" never rose above 30 members per group, and the entire system was directly democratic, however there is only a few that are still left.
The point of communism is that it needs to function for an entire society. It's very easy to 'pull off' if you only have 30 voices. Try doing it with millions of people.
In my opinion, no economic system can function, they will all tend toward anarchy, however I was never arguing for a Utopian system just a "fair" system.
