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Pro-Life Pro-Choice
Debate Score:91
Arguments:105
Total Votes:95
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 Pro-Life (35)
 
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Which side are you on? Pro-life or Pro-Choice?

Which side do you enlist yourself to? Personally, I am pro-life.

Pro-Life

Side Score: 44
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Pro-Choice

Side Score: 47

I am glad that my mother did not abort me and gave me a chance in life so I feel I should wish the same for every one else.

Side: Pro-Life

Well, TheEccentric, I think that's a lovely thing to live by if I may say so myself. That's wonderful.

Side: Pro-Life
2 points

When it comes down to it abortion is murder, and even though the everyone tries to pretend it's not it doesn't change the fact

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

If abortion is murder, then so is pulling the plug on someone who is only being kept alive through direct medical intervention.

Of course, abortion is not murder, because murder is specifically defined as the unlawful killing of one human being by another; abortion being legal, killing it is, murder it isn't.

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

Pulling the plug is murder. It may not be cold-hearted but your still killing another human being that is alive. Not all things that are legal are right

Side: Pro-Choice
poij(6) Disputed
1 point

Do you think a mother should be charged with manslaughter if she has a miscarriage?

Side: Pro-Choice
rightwrong(285) Disputed
1 point

Good argument. I would not because the mom and the child both did not have an intention of killing the baby (itself). It's just something that happened where their bodies didn't cooperate with each other.

Side: Pro-Life

While i think the issue it more complicated then a simple yes or no, i lean more towards the pro-life aspect of it.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

well if they're born from rape or incest then yes they should have a choice but if you got pregnant by having sex willingly no

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

Ya know... I'm not religious, but abortion just seems wrong to me. The only time I find it acceptable is when the patient is pregnant as a result of being raped.

Side: Pro-Life
thousandin1(1931) Clarified
2 points

I know what you mean. I don't think a very large percentage of the pro-choice crowd advocates using abortion as a more hardcore form of Plan B.

But I can definitely support abortion in the case of a pregnancy from rape. The trauma that rape victims have to deal with is bad enough without being tied to a constant living breathing reminder of the ordeal for the better part of 2 decades (or longer). And from a biological standpoint, do we really want the genetic material of a rapist to 'succeed?' Which isn't to say that tendency to rape is or isn't genetic, mind you...

Side: Pro-Life
Troy8(2431) Disputed
1 point

I don't think there is a need for abortion in the case of rape. Surely if seek medical attention the day after you are raped, less drastic measures can be taken.

Side: Pro-Choice
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
1 point

I agree... but that doesn't always work out. What if the woman is raped and then held hostage for a few weeks or so?

Side: Pro-Life

Then we share a common belief then. That is along the lines of my beliefs as well. Good to know.

Side: Pro-Life

Here's my conflicted beliefs on the topic:

I alone have the right to decide what I do to my body. If I want to poison myself, that's my own business. I also have the right to not have my life taken away from me.

These beliefs are at odds with abortion. The best resolution I've come up with so far is to fall back on this thought: the right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins. This seems very reasonable to me. So in my mind this means that a women's right to control her own body ends when it impacts the life of her unborn child. I am not at ease with this conclusion at all - even before someone throws the case of rape in my face. However, it's the best I can come up with.

Then there's the problem of agreeing upon when life begins. The development of a fetus is far from my field of expertise. However, I have not heard an argument that convinces me it begins at conception. So based on this I could have responded as pro-choice.

So I lean towards pro-life.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

I am prolife. I support the child's right to choose. The child is not part of the mother's body.

Side: Pro-Life
3 points

Animals kill their own all the time. We are no different.

Side: Pro-Choice
thousandin1(1931) Clarified
1 point

Since churchmouse either isn't here or hasn't seen the thread yet, I'll fill in for it.

OMG U ARE A MURDERER AND UR JUST LIKE HITLER UR NOT PRO CHOICE UR PRO ABORTION AND U WANT TO KILL ALL THE BABIES AND HANDICAPPED PEOPLE TOO.

Close enough?

Side: Pro-Life
Intangible(4933) Clarified
1 point

Close enough?

Kinda..though I was expecting a serious response lol. I even had a couple of remarks prepared. Oh poo

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

But Humans are more intelligent so we should be above that.

Side: Pro-Life
Intangible(4933) Clarified
1 point

Meh.

Side: Pro-Life
poij(6) Disputed
1 point

Many animals also rape all the time, does that make it right for humans?

Side: Pro-Life
Intangible(4933) Disputed
1 point

I didn't create nature. IDFK.

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

I agree that animals kill their babies, but that does not make it right.

Side: Pro-Choice
2 points

I hate abortion personally, but a woman should have dominion over her own body.

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

Personally, I'm pro-choice and think that everybody deserves a choice of abortion and such other things.

Side: Pro-Choice

May I ask for elaboration as to why one should have right over someone else's life? Not trying to start anything here, but I am just curious as to why you believe what you do.

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

Mainly because I think that the child isn't even properly alive in the womb until the brain starts to work, since its the main part of the body to keep us alive. People should have the choice of starting the life before its life cycle properly begins. I'm not sure if that answered your question, I'm not very good at explaining.

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

and I think that everyone deserves not being aborted.

Side: Pro-Life
Vermink(1943) Clarified
1 point

Well that's your opinion and I respect that.

Side: Pro-Life
Mikenanotube(14) Disputed
1 point

What if they're born into a life of suffering? Would they deserve their suffering just for being born?

Side: Pro-Choice
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Even biphobes?

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

Meh? Pro-choice i guess... but I prefer it be done only in the first trimester.

Side: Pro-Choice

Ah, I am glad for your specification as to which trimester is tolerable. Good input, Hellno.

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

It's really hard for me to decide, because part of me thinks that sex is almost an agreement to the risks (unless it's rape), but in the end, I believe it's the mother's choice.

Side: Pro-Choice

Pro-choice only up until the fetus has developed enough to feel pain and/or emotion. After that point I am pro-life unless the mother's life is at risk.

Side: Pro-Choice
trumpet_guy(502) Clarified
1 point

So you your deciding factor is the pain felt by the fetus, not the actual liveliehood of the fetus?

Side: Pro-Life
LittleMisfit(1749) Clarified
1 point

It comes down to the question, why is it wrong to terminate the life of something? I believe it's wrong to terminate someones life because you cause them and their loved ones pain and emotional distress. A fetus whose brain hasn't developed enough can't feel either of those things. There's a little more detail to it, but that's the core of the logic.

Side: Pro-Life

I am def prochoice. Life begins at birth, so I have no problem with it. .

Side: Pro-Choice
Mikenanotube(14) Disputed
1 point

Well I mean, they're technically alive by the definition of life since the time that their mother was born, at least as an egg... They proccessed energy and performed all the basic things that most other cells do except replication, but they do have that capability. Birth is just a somewhat arbitrary milestone along the way, and perhaps not the best metric.

And besides we humans kill living things all the time, so why is it different with an infant? - because they are conscious/sentient/self-aware. Consciousness is more morally relevant to the matter than alive or dead.

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

Liver enzymes are alive. Do you want to protect them too? .

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

So is a chimera two or more people in one body if life begins at conception? If life/pregnancy begins at conception is the petri dish pregnant in the case of in vitro fertilization? If conception is so important, why did Jesus say to be born again, and not conceived again? If the soul is present at conception, does that mean that the soul divides in two at twinning?

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

A baby 5 minutes before birth is no more alive than a baby 5 minutes after it is just a change in location.

Side: Pro-Life
1 point

I disagree. The fetus is not a baby. .

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

I am not pro-life or pro-choice, really, but rather support legalized abortion. Substantial research indicates that even when abortions are illegal women will still seek them out. You do not drastically reduce the number of abortions, but you do considerably increase the likelihood of harm or death to the mother. It is far more efficient and less ethically complicated to address the causes of unwanted pregnancy: poverty, poor sex education, rape, and so forth. Of course, that would actually take a concerted effort and no one really wants to look the issue in the eye for what it really is: a symptom of larger social issues.

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

During the time abortion is legal, the embryo can not be considered an actual of its own, therefore there's no reason not to grant the woman full right to a choice - it is inside her, and feeds from her body. It's her choice.

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

I am pro-choice. I believe that (up to a certain point in development of the foetus) the woman has the right to terminate her pregnancy. Obviously there are exceptions, for example if the woman had unsafe sex knowing full well that there was a high chance of her getting pregnant but not doing anything about it. In this case, it is entirely her fault and she should have been more responsible. But for women who got pregnant by accident e.g. the condom broke or she was raped etc. then i strongly believe that she has the right, as it is her body after all, to end the pregnancy. If she does not feel ready for a baby and feels she wouldn't be able to look after it or if it would have a negative impact on her own life (for example, she was still at school and it would affect her school work) then she has every right to have an abortion.

And for the people who say even if she was raped, she should still have the baby and give it up for adoption: are you stupid or something? I think you are missing the fact that a baby doesn't just pop out. The woman has to bear this baby for 9 months and then shove it out of her small vagina which is agonizing pain and she may well be in hospital for a while. Think how this could affect a 16 year old girl. What about it she was still at school? Surely she would get bullied or picked on. What if she had a really active job that required moving around a lot. That would be hard if she was heavily pregnant and having time off her job would affect the amount of money she earned which she would need for a good quality of life.

I believe that if abortion were to be banned, then for the man who got the woman pregnant, it should be illegal for him to leave her during or just after the pregnancy. Because if a woman can't back out of a pregnancy, a man should not be able to either.

And for all you pro-lifers saying 'I'm thinking about the life of the child.' Yeah, well so am I. I'm thinking about the life if the child who got raped and is heavily pregnant and has been disowned by her parents and is also suffering abuse from her peers. That girl is alive, she is a human being and I'm sorry if this offends but I believe that her life is more important than the life of something that hasn't even been born yet or developed yet. Her life is more important that the life of something that is not even alive yet.

Also, the argument, 'Think about what that child that was aborted could of achieved. It could be the person who finds a cure for cancer.' Well yeah sure it could be but that't not likely if it was born to someone who is struggling with money difficulties etc. and does't even have the money to get their child a decent education but that wasn't allowed to abort the child. There is also the possibility that it turns into narrow minded pro-lifer who doesn't think about the rights that a woman should have to her own body.

Overall, i think the solution is not to ban abortion but you don't agree with it, then don't get one. Simple as that. Let others live their life how they choose.

Side: Pro-Choice
1 point

I agree. If abortion is illegal, than what happens to the young teenage girls who are raped? Many would die during childbirth. Furthermore, if a couple divorced after the wife was pregnant, she may not want to have the child anymore.

Side: Pro-Choice

Does a woman have the right to an abortion under the U.S. Constitution? If someone is a strict constructionist who interprets the Constitution word for word, the sanction for abortion is given under the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Fourteenth Amendment of our U.S. Constitution defines a citizen “a citizen” at birth. If a woman is carrying a fetus in the womb, the U.S. Constitution does not designate the fetus as “a citizen.” It would take an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to declare a fetus a citizen. You have to be born in order to be recognized as a citizen. Therefore, a woman does have the right to choose. A fetus inside the womb is not designated as a citizen according to the U.S. Constitution so by default is not entitled to life, liberty, or prosperity. You have to be born in order to be endowed with those privileges. To conclude, neither the Federal government nor any of the States can deny a woman the right to choose.

If abortion is murder, abortion would have been terminated years ago due to the cruel and unusual punishment clause under the Eighth Amendment. Again, proof that a fetus is not recognized as a citizen of the United States of America.

Side: Pro-Choice