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I'll go with liberals on this one. There are certain Conservative groups like the KKK who flat out hate minorities, but the majority of liberals seem to have this fallacy that they are better than everyone who is not a liberal.
I'm only here because I remember reading about a study done by two Universities showing that Conservatives are more likely to research the opposing view than Liberals are.
They did the study by bringing up a debate point and having people click on a link to do research for the debate. The two links were pro and anti (abortion, gay marriage, etc). They found that subjects who found themselves to be more liberal usually just clicked the link in favor of their opinion and subjects who found themselves to be more liberal usually also clicked the link that opposes their opinion.
I can't find the study (looked through pages of Google), but if anyone can, that would be great.
I do notice, though, that arguing with Conservatives is less frustrating than arguing with Liberals. Conservatives seem to actually care about what I'm saying and know it's all opinion. Liberals tend to really think that if you disagree with them you must be a fuckin' idiot.
"I do notice, though, that arguing with Conservatives is less frustrating than arguing with Liberals. Conservatives seem to actually care about what I'm saying and know it's all opinion. Liberals tend to really think that if you disagree with them you must be a fuckin' idiot.
"a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own
one who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; one who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion ..."
Who does this sound like? Maybe the people that constantly attack white people, Christianity, [religion it's self], anyone who leans toward the right. Yeah, who does that sound like.
(Atheists also come to mind. Who are the ones and making fun of anyone who disagrees, comparing our god to Santa Clause and the easter bunny not having any respect for the beliefs of others. How arrogant could you be!?)
"A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own. One who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion... Who does this sound like?"
You. Calling liberals bigots because they have opinions that differ to yours is pretty bigoted, by your own definition.
You don't have to say. It's clearly the reason. You're a conservative, and you've picked an entire group (liberals) to brand with the same label based on your opinions. That, by your very definition, is bigoted. I can't believe that you can't see the irony in this.
"Maybe the people that constantly attack white people"
Bigoted opinion number 1.
"Christianity, [religion it's self],"
I attack Christianity (and other religions) no more than you attack Atheists. I've seen plenty of debates where you've given inaccurate, biased and bigoted opinions of Atheist views. Get off your high horse.
"anyone who leans toward the right."
And in your case, anyone who leans to the left.
"Yeah, who does that sound like."
Like I said... it sounds a lot like you.
"Atheists also come to mind. Who are the ones and making fun of anyone who disagrees, comparing our god to Santa Clause and the easter bunny not having any respect for the beliefs of others. How arrogant could you be!"
Why do you presume that your beliefs deserve respect? You're certainly entitled to have them, but I absolutely do not have to respect them. They're based on absolutely no evidence, outdated, and provide a framework for people to express homosexual and misogynistic views whilst cowering behind their "religious freedoms." I'm sorry, but nothing in this world should be instantly granted respect; respect should be earned.
Anyway, as I said, all of the things you pointed out as being bigoted are things you yourself do. But, as always, you'll apply your own individual bias and believe (rather arrogantly) that when you do the exact same things you're currently speaking out against it isn't the same as when some "liberal" does it.
"You're a conservative, and you've picked an entire group (liberals) to brand with the same label"
No, you're wrong. I never said that every liberal was a bigot. Or that every liberal attacks white people. A lot of them yes, but not all of them. Hence: "Which side has more "bigots"?" When I say that a lot of liberals are bigots, that's different than somebody saying that all Christians are idiots. Do you understand? Does that make any sense? Nice try.
"I attack Christianity (and other religions) no more than you attack Atheists."
There is a difference between criticism and straight up mocking and making fun of something. For example when you called God an "invisible sky daddy", you where being a bigot.
"And in your case, anyone who leans to the left."
That's not true, Thypyg is kind of a hybrid and leans to the left on some issues but I don't "attack" him. Same for anyone els, even liberals. Now I'm not perfect, sometimes I can be a jerk. But I have gotten better at not attacking people.
[please note that debating and attacking are not the same thing]
"Why do you presume that your beliefs deserve respect? You're certainly entitled to have them, but I absolutely do not have to respect them."
Your right you don't have to have respect. You even have the right to be a bigot. And you very often take advantage of those rights.
Just so we're clear, I'm not arguing that you are bigoted and I'm not. My argument is that everyone is bigoted about some things. What annoys me is when people (as you're doing) apply their own individual bias to a situation to excuse their views from having the property that they try to attach to others views because of that bias. I'm a bigot, you're a bigot. We all are about certain things. So...
"No, you're wrong. I never said that every liberal was a bigot. Or that every liberal attacks white people. A lot of them yes, but not all of them."
There's no difference between saying all or most, because both statements are clearly ludicrous, based on your individual bias, and bigoted. Have you met or spoken to most liberals? No. Therefore you are extending your individual bias beyond the realms of its actual limitation. You tar people with the same brush because they have differing views to you, and that is the very definition of bigotry. Do you understand? Does that make sense?
"There is a difference between criticism and straight up mocking and making fun of something."
Satire does not make bigotry. Bigotry in its nature must be both irrational and animus. I've personally seen you attack atheistic morals with both irrationality and ill feeling. I'm bigoted about your religion, just as you are bigoted about the lack of mine.
"That's not true, Thypyg is kind of a hybrid and leans to the left on some issues but I don't "attack" him. Same for anyone else, even liberals. Now I'm not perfect, sometimes I can be a jerk. But I have gotten better at not attacking people."
I have noticed you getting better at not attacking people. But the statement before that, about Pyg, is utterly irrelevant. You cannot pick one individual relationship that you have with someone and attempt to show that it proves you're not bigoted. In fact, this whole debate is an attack on liberals. You are literally doing the very thing you're accusing liberals of doing, which, quite frankly, is ridiculously hypocritical. But I suppose you'll try to find some way or worming out of it rather than just accepting it.
"please note that debating and attacking are not the same thing"
And attacks disguised as debates (such as your initial argument in this debate) are not the same thing either.
"Your right you don't have to have respect."
Exactly. I'm pretty sure you disagree with me on this point, so please explain why anyone's beliefs deserve any respect without earning it? Again, as I said, you're utterly entitled to have them. But claiming that they deserve any sort of respect is to attempt to stifle any critique or debate about those beliefs.
"You even have the right to be a bigot."
Yes we do.
"And you very often take advantage of those rights."
As do you, and as you did when you made your first argument on this debate.
"There's no difference between saying all or most"
Yes there is.
"Have you met or spoken to most liberals?"
No. And that's not what I'm saying. This is only based on my experience. Of course I haven't talked to most liberals out there.
"You cannot pick one individual relationship that you have with someone and attempt to show that it proves you're not bigoted."
The difference is that I try not to be, I try to have at least some respect. I know I'm not perfect. And to make a point in a debate I don't need satire.
"In fact, this whole debate is an attack on liberals."
No, it's not. If anything it's a defensive move because conservatives are the ones that are always labeled as bigots. (including me several times on this site) So based on your argument every time a liberal says conservatives are bigots they are being hypocritical?
"And attacks disguised as debates (such as your initial argument in this debate) are not the same thing either."
Once again, the debate is not an attack. My arguments are separate from the debate it's self. Me being the creator of the debate gives my arguments no more power than yours or anyone else's. [you should know that by now] And your side will probably win anyways so I don't see what your so worried about.
"I'm pretty sure you disagree with me on this point, so please explain why anyone's beliefs deserve any respect without earning it?"
wtf? It's like you wan't me to think that so you can judge me for it. what part of "Your right you don't have to have respect." did you not get? Yes you ARE entitled to do all kinds of lame stupid things, have at it xaeon. Keep being a bigot.
"Maybe the people that constantly attack white people, Christianity, [religion it's self], anyone who leans toward the right."
attacks on white people - You must be referring to the plethora of white people who have been victims of racial hatred. Like in the 60's for example when black people got together with their white hoods and lynch poor innocent white people. Or perhaps how that same group of black people got together to flood juries with other black people, so that any white man accused of a crime was almost always convicted. All this evidence is clearly supported by how the majority of people in congress are either black and Hispanic, and how America's president's have been all black till just recently. Right? Ultra-liberal organizations like the KKK and the Neo-nazis are definitely way more bigoted than staunch conservative ones like gay rights activists and alike.
Attacks on Christianity and religion- Once again there can be seen a long history of atheists persecuting believers. Like in the middle ages when the atheists saw the light and decided to go on several crusades and invade Muslim areas because their beliefs were wrong. Or like how the atheists in Spain decided to start an inquisition to root out the believers, then burned them alive when they wouldn't give up their faith. Or just like that same group of Spanish atheists went to South America with Cortes and killed off almost all of the indigenous population because they believed in some sort of god.
Atheists- Atheists wouldn't compare Santa to god if Christians didn't make it so easy to do. If there is some sort of legitimate argument to make that analogy less true, please share. But just because you don't have an answer to an argument, that doesn't make the person you are arguing intolerant, it just makes you wrong. For the sake of my argument, here is a Santa vs god comparison.
Santa vs god
both live forever
both have magical powers
both know when you are sleeping
both know when you are awake
both know if you have been bad or good
both reward good behavior and punish bad
both exist in the minds of children
I don't know what planet you live on, but here on earth, conservatives are almost always more bigoted than liberals. Where do you see white people being persecuted and hounded? Where do you see Christians being persecuted by atheists? Last time I checked there weren't groups or violent, racist blacks going out and targeting whites. And there no atheists going out hunting Christians. There were however Christians killing atheist abortion doctors, and Muslims blowing up themselves to hurt Jews. All your examples of intolerance are completely backwards.
You are a perfect example of what I'm talking about. We are still being blamed for racism that happened in the 60's. I was born in 1990. Why do I have to hear about that every time I try to defend my race as if it's my fault.
"Atheists wouldn't compare Santa to god if Christians didn't make it so easy to do."
So your excuse for being a bigot is that we make it easy for you?
Your argument seems to be that you have every right to be a bigot because of what happened in the past. Typical liberal.
Regardless of what you have experienced in your life, that doesn't negate the fact that conservatives are bigger bigots than liberals and have been so for the entirety of human history. And once again, I don't understand how your race is under attack? Do you get a lot of anti-white protests in your neighborhood? Or perhaps a lot of anti-christian marches?
"So your excuse for being a bigot is that we make it easy for you?"
Once again, the comparison between Santa and god is not made out of mockery, it is made out of logical comparison. Just because the fact that god is like Santa for adults insults you somehow, doesn't make it any less true. If you could actually provide legitimate arguments against that comparison instead of dismissing it as bigotry, you could actually hold ground in the debate. Instead, you blow it off. Just because you cant seem to argue against a Santa-god comparison, it doesn't make me a bigot, it just makes you wrong and ignorant.
"Your argument seems to be that you have every right to be a bigot because of what happened in the past. Typical liberal."
Science and Political Science dictate that similar conditions yield similar results, therefore the past is the only place we have to look to for examples and evidence of bigotry. So far, you have failed miserably at bringing up examples of liberal bigotry, defending your arguments, and showing even a moderate understanding of the fundamentals of debate. Typical conservative.
You are a perfect example of what I'm talking about. We are still being blamed for racism that happened in the 60's. I was born in 1990. Why do I have to hear about that every time I try to defend my race as if it's my fault.
The point is not about fault, but mere recognition on what happened. The arguement was brought up to show how bigotry has historically been a conservative trait. Also, in the grand scheme of things, the 1960's really weren't that long ago.
Your argument seems to be that you have every right to be a bigot because of what happened in the past. Typical liberal.
The fact that you said typical liberal shows that you place all liberals in one group, thus showing a prejudice that at the very least, you currently hold. Unfortunately, many conservatives tend to feel simularly to you, thus proving that prejudice and bigorty often find themselves in the beliefs of consercatives.
I agree and disagree. I have met a lot of very conservative people (hinging on the point of racism and bloodlust) and some of them just copy and paste what they said or just refraise what they said with things already disproved and such. I personally research every thing that comes my way in politics and try to get both sides of the argument from the extream on one side and the extream of the other then the middle. Only then i can know what to do. Some Christans are also very aragant (im a Deist, someone who looks at God from a scientific angle) i have met alot of christains bashing gay people, black people, forgin people, Jews and Muslims for not being American or Christain. Many athiest are douches but they make a more factual argument than those who make one based on a really old book.
First of all you making a generalization against atheists, and you christians are the ones who think atheists are demons and think homosexuality is a sin. You are inherently rascist by your own holy book and if you are not then i praise you. Atheists have much more justification for their beliefs then christians.
Here's the titles of the last six books by the leader of the American Nazi Party:
-Guilty: Jew "Victims" and Their Assault on America
-If Jews Had Any Brains, They'd Be Christians
-Godless: The Church of Judaism
-How to Talk to a Jew(If You Must)
-Treason: Jew Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism
-Slander: Jewish Lies About the American Right
Oh whoops, my mistake. I accidentally switched the word "Jew" for "Liberal", "Christians" for "Republicans" and "leader of the American Nazi Party" for "bestselling conservative author Ann Coulter".
"Oh whoops, my mistake. I accidentally switched the word "Jew" for "Liberal", "Christians" for "Republicans" and "leader of the American Nazi Party" for "bestselling conservative author Ann Coulter"."
My point is that because (as you said) bigots are people who are intolerant of opinions different from their own, conservatives are intolerant because they buy ann coulter books in large numbers.
As my last post demonstrated, ann coulter writes books that attacks liberals in a fashion that sounds identical to a nazi trashing jews, calling them godless liars and traitors. The fact that conservatives buy these books in very large numbers suggests that they are similarly intolerant of opinions differing from their own ("liberals") as people who would buy anti-jewish nazi propoganda are intolerant of jews.
The holocaust didn't happen because of the Jew's opinion. And they didn't choose to be Jewish. You think conservatives wan't to kill liberals?
"ann coulter writes books that attacks liberals in a fashion that sounds identical to a nazi trashing jews"
How identicle?
If you can do that I could compare liberals to Stalin because they are for socialistic policies. But I don't because using the "compare them to somebody who is obviously bad" argument is a cheap thing to do.
Well, there certainly is one political Party that has tried to use a racist "Southern Strategy" to win national elections for the last many decades, and that party in the GOP.
i say conservatives. They don't want gay people to get marred and stuff. No reason other than dislike of them. In the past they have been against Rights for African Americans, Women and such. Its easy to be a racist and be a republican at the same time than it it to be a racist democrat because democrats believe that all people are equal and racism says that one is the best.
It seems all to obvious that conservatives have more bigots then liberals. The glaring evidence is last years presidential elections, consisting of not only Sara Palin, who even conservatives can admit should be on this list, but also Mike Huckabee, who believes the bible is inerrant.
