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Asians are the smartest, with an average IQ of 106. Whites come in second place at 100. The average America black scores 85 and the sub-Saharan Africans score around 70.
IQ wise, you are correct. I am White and a friend of mine (who's also White) said that some Asians must think of us as the big, dumb White people. LOL!
I disagree! I come from q family of west Africans, and they are as smart as Asians
They have an IQ ranging from the mid 120s -190s. They are VERY smart. They focus and pay attention! So if you don't know, then shut up. Because you are showing nothing but ignorance.
Intelligence is NOT genetic., stupid. You are just trying to make people like me look bad. You know people like you interfere with our self -esteem. You make us feel useless.
Anyway, all you have here are assertions without so much as conjectural reasoning to support your argument. Why don't you take up your assertions with the scientists who carried out the study I base my statements on >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ
First one must ask is this case being made on an individual level or is it being made on a group level? Taken as a group one only needs examine the African cultures versus the white western cultures to find their answers. Simply make a list of the intellectual accomplishments of the one race versus the intellectual accomplishments of the other race, then compare them to find the answer as to which group posses the higher intelligence. As for individual cases, due to the large admixture of the races, it is difficult to define Negros that have mixed with the white cultures. It is often noted the lighter skinned Negro admixtures posess higher intelligence on average than their darker counterparts and this is often pointed out as the explanation of the differences, but this is a generality and there are exceptions. The fact is one must use generalities to make these kinds of arguments because taken on an individual basis, exceptions can always be found. But again if one examines the disparate cultures of these two races the answer can be found. That said, one must realize that intellect alone cannot be the sole deciding factor in establishing the worth of a human being.
i dont know about smarter but definitely more evil. if i found out when you were out of town. broke into your house, and stole all your valuables, it doesnt necesarily make me smarter, does it?
Africa is resource rich with tons of minerals, precious stones, and several other things. Europe, which is the home of whites, is very rich. Why? Because the are smart enough to use the resources they have. Africans, however, aren't. They are still very poor and most of the poorest countries are in africa. The world has spent millions of dollars in financial aid, but to no avail. Some african countries have no government and some governments can't even govern the people! They wish for a better africa, yet they don't work hard, work together, use their money right, or even stop the civil wars that impoverish them! They are pretty stupid. If you say otherwise, explain this.
Africa aside, I think that the u.s. and europian education helps them, so I think africans in other countries are as smart as whites.
why do u think Africans are poor? its not because there stupid its because europeans came and basically destroyed the continent they also took natural resources helping thier economy and keeping the African economy in the dirt
Just look at the evidence. What contributions to science and technology has come from Africa or its descendants??? If inventing and science was an Olympic event??? But yet the black race is extolled for their athletic achievement. We all admit they are more athletic(obvious) which by the way is hard to take as a white man. I can understand it must be hard for a black person to admit lack of intelligence, you cant have it all. Not only different body structure but also brain. One more point, as black people have pointed out to me they were the original humans( or is it aborigines) that gives them more time to develop their continent, just compare it to Europe, where would you want to live???
If you are implying that intelligence level is a direct result of melanin content in the skin, then you are confusing correlation with causation.
If you are simply stating that the average IQ scores of various ethnicities differ, then that is true, but I don't think it is really a conclusion; it is just the iteration of two related facts.
The statistics show that an intelligence gap exists. What the statistics do not show is why it exists. This debate is phrased as though black skin is the cause of low intelligence, not just a correlation. I believe this to be false. This is why I asked for a clarification; the first interpretation is a logical fallacy, and the second interpretation is not a debate but a statement of a statistical result. Whether or not I even pose an argument depends on which interpretation you intended.
I don't believe melanin causes stupidity, if that is what you are thinking. I think the intelligence gap should be accounted for in schools. Perhaps we should re-segregate schools racially to ensure a better education for both blacks and whites. Why should white students be held back by the slow performance of black students if there is indeed that large of a gap? I feel black people would also get a better education and the special attention they need in an all-black environment.
You are skewing things here. I said that melanin does not cause stupidity. I didn't say there was no relation at all. You seem awfully concerned with skin color, as if melanin levels are the only thing differing one race from another. Humans differ racially in other ways as well. Blacks have a smaller average brain size, for one. There are other obvious examples such as sloping forehead and broad noses and lips and kinky hair. Can we just drop the subject of skin color? It's not the only difference. I am talking about Negroids, which you seem to think are just Caucasians with dark tans.
You are skewing things here. I said that melanin does not cause stupidity. I didn't say there was no relation at all.
Neither did I. I said that one is not the cause of the other.
You seem awfully concerned with skin color, as if melanin levels are the only thing differing one race from another. Humans differ racially in other ways as well.
If you prefer, from now on, when I wish to point out that appearance is not evidenced to be the direct cause of intelligence, I will list all the major visible differences between blacks and whites.
Blacks have a smaller average brain size, for one.
Poor nutrition in utero and during early childhood, as well as lack of mental stimulation during early childhood, results in an undeveloped brain. This could help explain the difference, making it at least partially environmental. Also, the source I found claimed that the difference is 80cc - present, but even smaller than the average difference between males and females.
There are other obvious examples such as sloping forehead and broad noses and lips and kinky hair.
Similarly to skin color, none of these traits are evidenced to be the cause intelligence level.
You are skewing things here. I said that melanin does not cause stupidity.
Therefore segregating people based on skin colour would be nonsensical.
You seem awfully concerned with skin color, as if melanin levels are the only thing differing one race from another.
The topic is "White people are smarter than black people", not "Straight-haired people are smarter than curly-haired people" or "Pointy-nosed people are smarter than flat-nosed people".
I am talking about Negroids, which you seem to think are just Caucasians with dark tans.
You are talking about black people.
You seem unable to appreciate the distinction between population statistics and individual attributes. I should suspect by your reasoning, that you must be a black man.
The minimum length for an argument is 50 characters. The purpose of this restriction is to cut down on the amount of dumb jokes, so we can keep the quality of debate and discourse as high as possible.
The average high school graduate of 50 years ago was more educated than today's graduates. The quality of education has been steadily declining for the last 50 years. You figure it out.
Clearly, there is only one cause of this decline and that cause must be the fact that blacks and whites are allowed in the same classroom. Is that the conclusion you would like us to draw from that? It seems to be the one you have drawn.
Why not advocate separating classes by actual IQ scores rather than race? There are black people who score significantly higher than the white average, and white people who score significantly lower than the black average. This alone should be enough reason not to segregate classrooms by race, regardless of what you believe the cause of intelligence to be.
I thought about that myself (grouping students by IQ). I like the idea, but it would cause more of a shit storm than segregation would. Separation by race leaves a person's sense of self-worth in tact. If you separate by IQ, students in certain classes will be considered "dumb" and invite ridicule. Neither idea will ever happen in a million years, both are way too politically-incorrect to be considered.
I like the idea, but it would cause more of a shit storm than segregation would.
Considering there are already numerous ways in which children are divided by intelligence, such as AP and gifted classes, special education classes, accelerated/decelerated grade progression, and so on, I seriously, seriously doubt this.
>< You are either 8 and have no concept of American History and human behavior, or 70 and still mad your daughter's now legally allowed to marry blacks.
It's been shown time and time again both in individual cases and in samplings of populations that the only correlation between general intelligence and physical attributes among humans is the physical social circumstance of the individual.
ie, a white, asian, african, hispanic, indian, etc are just as likely to score lower on any standardized test if they are brought up in an environment (like an inner city ghetto) that does not value an education and where the environment for learning is poor.
If one were to take the average IQ for example, of only Africans raised in the suburbs, it would be exactly equal to the IQ of the white kids raised in the suburbs.
Now, to cure that wrong, which has developed do 100% to segregation and years of slavery before that, you propose to re-segregate?
It is literally retarded. Perhaps your education is to blame.
You are only regurgitating BS your liberal professors brainwashed you with. It's kind of ironic how liberals champion equality...always with an air of superiority...and always as indignant as the religious prudes they so despise. Kiss my ass, hypocritical hippie., you don't know jack shit.
What silly theory is that? If I had a theory, your credence would be unnecessary, but I don't remember stating any theories, but whatever. I guess you are another one that just pulls arguments out of his ass.
The statistics show that an intelligence gap exists. What the statistics do not show is why it exists.
Yeah they do. =/
There have been many reputable studies taken place on this topic that control for environmental factors, like the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study.
That is a separate study. Also, interestingly, one of the researchers himself wrote that the study could support either interpretation of intelligence, either genetic or environmental, and he should not have attempted to make a conclusion based on the available data.
I noticed two things while reading the study that raise questions:
The study does not state at what ages the children were adopted. Spending just a few early years in a poor household could have had a significant affect on their ability to learn and reason in the future. Even poor nutrition in utero has an effect on brain development.
Even if the adopted children were raised by white parents, the public still identified them as black and thus they were likely subjected to racism and the pressure of stereotypes. Not that these are impossible to overcome, but people often internalize social cues on how they are expected to act. A quote from the source you provided:
"As Scarr & Weinberg (1976) note, trans racial adoption studies only control for family environment, not social environment. For example, children who are socially identified as black may still be subject to racial discrimination despite being raised by white parents."
The question of whether intelligence is caused by environmental or genetic causes is far from having been answered. Based on the evidence I have seen, I believe environment to have a larger effect.
All you said was "the statistics". You never specified any study and since there are in fact statistics supporting the idea of a genetic causation, you were wrong.
The trans racial adoption study only controlled for family environment, sure, but understand that this 15 point gap has already been shown to exist all over the globe and regardless if income brackets. Hell, cultural-fair tests have only shown to increase the gap.
Hell, the actual genes causing this gap have almost been isolated and mapped out. That's really the only area of debate left, not whether intelligence is caused highly by genes (it is), not whether there are genetic reasons for the race/IQ gap (there are), but which specific genes are the cause.
The trans racial adoption study only controlled for family environment, sure, but understand that this 15 point gap has already been shown to exist all over the globe and regardless if income brackets. Hell, cultural-fair tests have only shown to increase the gap.
Even worldwide information about intelligence doesn't necessarily support your stance, because the rest of the world is also an environment, not just America. Because you are citing this without a source, I am going to address two possible ways in which that statistic was gathered. Note that averages do not adequately relay how much results vary between members of the same group.
Globally, with the worldwide average for blacks being lower than the worldwide average for whites: This would include all scores, even those gathered from countries in Africa that are predominately black and inhabited by many people who do not even have the luxury of clean water, much less school. I am sure you can see how the disproportionate number of blacks in such conditions could significantly lower the worldwide average IQ for blacks.
National average, with the average for predominately black countries being lower than the average for predominately white or Asian countries: Developed countries are generally not predominately black. These countries can offer their citizens an education and a safer life overall, thereby increasing their national average significantly. Many poorer countries are generally predominately black and their citizens typically are afforded a less comfortable life and, if they can get an education at all, it may be subpar.
That's really the only area of debate left, not whether intelligence is caused highly by genes (it is), not whether there are genetic reasons for the race/IQ gap (there are), but which specific genes are the cause.
It is pretty bold, not to mention incorrect, to state the nature vs. nurture debate is over. You ignored all the evidence I provided that suggests environmental factors have a huge effect on intelligence, in favor of repeating that you are right, without any further evidence.
Once these genes have been isolated, and it is shown that they are only influenced minimally by environment, then I will not really be able to say any more. However, I doubt that point will ever arrive, and if it does, it is a long way away. Few people cling to the belief that intelligence is influenced completely by genetics or completely by environment, but vastly different conclusions are still being reached as to exactly what the combination might be.
Some one's intelligence is not based on their race or ethnicity. If someone thinks that they are better or smarter than someone else because they are white as opposed to the person being black, that person is making an assumption with no proof, and the black person could easily be just as smart or good, or smarter or better, than the white person.
Personally I believe it depends on your upbringing. If you have a poor, neglectful family (black or White) then obviously your intelligence will be less. For example in my class the smartest person in my form group (32 people) is White however she doesn't speak that much and she finds it difficult to communicate with other students. But my friends sister who is black and in the year (grade) above me just moved to england 5 years ago is the smartest girl in her whole year (grade).
Suggesting that blacks in Africa that have a stable family will be likely to more intelligent as I have been to Africa several times I believe this may be true. My cousin when he was 12 was learning about trigonometry or whatever it is and in my school/ country we learn that when we are 14 (maybe) but definitely 15+
To conclude I believe it depends on a variety of things for a person to become intelligent such as : community/ environment, upbringing of their family like being tutored or getting extra support when you are younger, if they get influenced easily, having the will power to want to succeed by studyin etc
Only ignorant people wopuld agree that white people are smarter than black people. I'm black and my IQ is was higher than what you'd think it would be. And there are some white girls in my class and they are not smart. So this statement is dumb.
i must negate the resolution that states white people are smarter than black people
first of all we were all born equal.saying whites are better than blacks just brings in a sense of inequailty and creates a sense of racism in our environment. the constitution states that every man was born equal. we can see some examples of black students who've become very sucessful just by studying. we can't judge people by their color it only create violence and lack of sense of humor
No one said whites are "better" than blacks. I said they are smarter (on average, of course). I am pretty sure that the average brain surgeon is smarter than the average janitor, but that doesn't make brain surgeons better than janitors. I am sure there are plenty of black people who are smarter than me, but I don't feel like that makes them "better". The Constitution was written for whites, not blacks, so that doesn't really help your point. It may say that all men are created equal, but you have to remember at that time blacks were not considered men. They were considered 3/5ths of a man.
First off, this isn't about race inequality or the constitution. It's about science. Scientifically, blacks have a lower IQ than other races. I completely agree with you saying to treat everyone equally and to not see eachother as smarter or dumber.
Black people aren't just different because of the color of their skin. They have had a totally different culture and environment for ages and so have become different genetically. Ever wonder why whites cant usually compete with blacks in running. They have a strength in running and studies show that whites are usually a bit more intelligent. From experience they also have a different temperament and character than whites.
The constitution states that all men are born equal in the sense that we have equal rights as human beings. It is ridiculous to state that everyone is born the same genetically and physically. And in my opinion even if it is proven without a doubt that blacks are less intelligent they should still have equal rights.
While true that stating that whites are smarter may have negative consequences on a society of which blacks are part of, it is really a bad argument. The argument is about the truth and the negative consequences of admitting the truth don't invalidate it.
Also I am not sure about the rules of this site but posting your argument using 3 or 4 posts so that u get more pts shouldn't be allowed.
Ridiculous, a persons intelligence is determined by the person they are, their genes, their IQ ect ect, not by the color of their skin. There are as many white people as black people who made bad life choices and are wasting their lives, choices are not based on color of skin either. The only thing that could make the difference is the level and quality of the education recieved.
Well, that's all nice and kind of you to spew a bunch of politically-correct, feel-good mumbo jumbo but you contradicted yourself in your first sentence.
Yes, a person's intelligence IS largely determined by their genes, and so is skin color. People with genes for white skin score an average 15 points higher on IQ tests than people with genes for black skin. I don't know how much simpler I can make it for you. You probably don't want to understand, because it doesn't fit into your multiculturalist, feel-good liberal ideology. I hope calling me a racist made you feel morally superior.
Yes, a person's intelligence IS largely determined by their genes, and so is skin color.
You just killed your argument. If the genes for skin colour are separate from those for intelligence, then skin colour and intelligence are independent from each other.
People with genes for white skin score an average 15 points higher on IQ tests than people with genes for black skin.
People with white skin occupy less ghettos because of white flight decades ago. People with white skin did not recently endure segregation and state-instituted lower-quality schools and public facilities in their parents' generation. People with white skin do not endure discrimination which keeps them in low-paying jobs and makes personal advancement and education difficult.
Intelligence requires an environment which nurtures it. People with black skin were treated like second-class citizens last century and presently face discrimination in the workplace and schools. Note: white and black skin have no effect on intelligence except that they were and are used to discriminate against people, thus lowering a minority's ability to succeed.
You probably don't want to understand, because it doesn't fit into your multiculturalist, feel-good liberal ideology. I hope calling me a racist made you feel morally superior.
You lack a basic understanding of population statistics, biology, and have an attitude of cultural entitlement.
Intelligence requires an environment which nurtures it. People with black skin were treated like second-class citizens last century and presently face discrimination in the workplace and schools.
There have been many centuries, only a few of which saw black slavery and mistreatment in the United States. Perhaps we should ask why Europeans have had hypocaust for two millennia, whereas sub-Saharan Africans still live in primitive tribal societies. While I have not come to a conclusion yet, I do not place the blame squarely upon American middle schools.
Perhaps we should ask why Europeans have had hypocaust for two millennia, whereas sub-Saharan Africans still live in primitive tribal societies.
Those societies apparently had little need to progress to the point of needing such technology. Remember that inventions come from need and priorities.
While I have not come to a conclusion yet, I do not place the blame squarely upon American middle schools.
If there was a genetic disposition to be less intelligent in black people, it should follow that our efforts to assimilate blacks into our society, without discrimination, would fail to produce black men and women capable of rivaling their white counterparts in academic endeavours. It appears to be the result of environment, instead.
You have a few magic Negroes you can cite that have graced academia. That's what you are basing your stance on? Are statistics absolutely meaningless to you? By your logic, if i can find a handful of non-racist whites in the southern U.S., that means racism is a non-issue. Your logic is warped.
You have a few magic Negroes you can cite that have graced academia. That's what you are basing your stance on? Are statistics absolutely meaningless to you? By your logic, if i can find a handful of non-racist whites in the southern U.S., that means racism is a non-issue. Your logic is warped.
You also serve as evidence for my position. If race markedly affected intelligence, being white you wouldn't be so dumb as to completely misunderstand what I wrote.
Oh shaddup, you are full of shit. Stop babbling flowery, liberal inanities. You have no respect for reality, only your politically-correct paradigm.
I think I have seen this before somewhere... oh, right... this is what unintelligent men do when they cannot understand basic English. They start a machismo contest.
Try reading what I actually wrote before you responded the first time. It is a convincing argument, and if you choose to actually address it instead of mocking me, then I will treat you with the respect you want.
Those societies apparently had little need to progress to the point of needing such technology. Remember that inventions come from need and priorities.
Actually the apparent lack of sub saharan technological and industrial progress is due mainly to environmental and ecological factors...such as the lack of the necessary foundations for urbanised civilization.
Including environmental stability, domesticatable animal and plant species, a favourable-for-agriculture continental axis (east west like europe and asia) and many other prerequisites.
Sub saharan Africa lacks many of these prerequisites and still does whilst Eurasia was and remains rich and fertile.
Hence why development was to be restricted to smaller egalatarian communities.
Other factors like the invention of steel and gunpowder had considerable impact accelerating technological development and vastly increasing the military strength and conquering abilities of Eurasian powers.
Sub saharan people are survivors, they had to be and still have to be in much of Africa sadly...this is reflected in their phenotypes...by comparison the white phenotype has had the luxury of relative safety and abundance of food to develop & support a greater number of long term strategists.
Black people, excuse me, NEGROIDS score one standard deviation below Caucasians on IQ tests. Explain that to me, smartass motherfucker. Tell me what that means.
Black people, excuse me, NEGROIDS score one standard deviation below Caucasians on IQ tests. Explain that to me, smartass motherfucker. Tell me what that means.
I already did. It is a well-established fact that IQ scores grow each generation, and attributed factors are education amongst others. This is the Flynn Effect.
Black men and women have historically been second-class citizens and so it would stand to reason that they did not catch up with their wealthier and better educated brethren over the generations. Hence you have a discontinuity.
Black men and women have historically been second-class citizens and so it would stand to reason that they did not catch up with their wealthier and better educated brethren over the generations. Hence you have a discontinuity.
Did you just pull that argument out of your ass? It has been proven that poverty doesn't cause stupidity. Stupidity causes poverty. You are trying to blame the poor scores on racism. What about the parts of Africa where the avg. IQ is 70 and there are no Great White Oppressors to blame? You simply refuse to see what is blatantly obvious, Negroids have a genetic disposition that is responsible for their low test performance. What is so freaking unbelievable about that? I am sorry it's not PC enough for you but it's a simple fact. Like it or lump it.
Did you just pull that argument out of your ass? It has been proven that poverty doesn't cause stupidity.
Poverty causes less education and it retards intellectual development. Learn to read.
Stupidity causes poverty.
Apparently not.
You are trying to blame the poor scores on racism.
Correct.
What about the parts of Africa where the avg. IQ is 70 and there are no Great White Oppressors to blame?
You mean Sub-Saharan Africa, where there are frequent clashes between warlords and governments, Radical Islam which prohibits education in sciences and heretical subjects, interclan struggles, and a general poverty that would make our slums look like Knob Hill? Gee, I wonder why a region full of illiteracy and ignorance scores so low on IQ tests calibrated for modern, educated, industrial society?
You simply refuse to see what is blatantly obvious, Negroids have a genetic disposition that is responsible for their low test performance.
The only blatantly obvious thing here is that you are insecure and want to use population-based statistics as a means to feel superior to your peers.
What is so freaking unbelievable about that? I am sorry it's not PC enough for you but it's a simple fact. Like it or lump it.
People who are well-studied in genetics like myself would never claim that stupidity and IQ are simply due to genes and thus is predetermined by your birth. Your environment causes genes to express themselves, and for complicated things like brains this means that upbringing can make the difference between a mildly retarded individual and an intelligent one.
It is also plainly obvious that you do not use population statistics to judge an individual.
What about the parts of Africa where the avg. IQ is 70 and there are no Great White Oppressors to blame?
Have you ever heard of South Africa???
Who do you think broke Africa into so many different groups? When many European countries went to Africa they took the land and split it up between each country. That's why there are so many different languages spoken, many with European backgrounds. There was a man that came to my school that spoke about how the white men went to Africa and spread fertilizers on the ground that ended up killing most of the vegetation, making it unable to grow food.
I get so heated when I hear this rhetoric, this allusion to white supremacy. It makes me queezy, but nonetheless, I'll try and do my part.
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Correlation and causation:
__::Seperate concepts, often confused as the same thing. The establishment of trends between one condition and another, while it may be consistent, does not imply that those things are inclusive. For instance, a man buys a belt from a merchant who says that it will prevent shark attacks, the man wears the belt for several weeks. Lo' and behold, no shark attacks. Is it because of the belt? No. The reality is that conditions were not met to test said belt, thus deeming the correlation irrelevant. This goes for White and Black IQ levels. The unattended factors are:
Seperate concepts, often confused as the same thing. The establishment of trends between one condition and another, while it may be consistent, does not imply that those things are inclusive.
The premise does not declare this to be so. It merely asks whether persons of black skin are on average less intelligent than persons of white skin. It does not necessarily imply that the pigment known as melanin is responsible for intellectual inferiority. For example, it may be observed that white persons are on average wealthier than black persons. That is an indisputable fact, but it does not posit that lower melanin levels attract money, merely that if you are white you have a higher chance of becoming wealthy.
Aside from that, pigmentation is simply an easy method of distinguishing between races. It is not the only anatomical difference betwixt them. For example, persons of black skin have wider nostrils than persons of white skin. It could therefore be stated that persons of a greater nostril width have a higher chance of being black skinned than persons of a lesser nostril width. This acknowledges a correlation, without implying a causation.
there is no reason as to why a black man can be less intelligent than a white!!! it is the inside that matters not the outer looks... and today one can be called foolish to discriminate between a black and a white.
The very notion that one's race and ethnicity defines his/her intelligence is merely another racialist fallacy.
One example: just because there are more white scientists, philosophers etc, than blacks doesn't mean that there won't be in the future. remember, blacks weren't exactly treated fairly until very recently.
Their lack of inclusion into higher level education and mainstream society is one of the many reasons why most blacks don't get the opportunity to prove their own talents and abilities or advance their intellect.
How long are you ideological half-wits gonna take to wake up and smell the BS? Will the excuses ever wear out? Negroids have mostly been living a stone-age existence since the dawn of mankind and you believe them to be brain surgeons and astronauts in the rough? If they would only stop using the books we give them for toilet paper, they would all be CEO's and astrophysicists? All I've heard on this debate is a bunch of excuses. If a black person has a decent intellect and applies themselves, everyone will want to hire them to fulfill the racial quotas of affirmative action. They actually have it easier than whites. They have no excuse. I am tired of making excuses for them.
I'm so tired of political correctness. There is endless empirical evidence to support that every other so-called "minority" group in the USA has somehow managed to excel except blacks. They've been given every opportunity, including what amounts to reverse racism in the form of affirmative action, scholarships, and so on. And don't give me the, "well he's never lived around blacks" bull$h!t. I grew up in public schools in L.A. that were 40% black, 40% Hispanic and 20% everything else, to include whites. Blacks were consistently good at one thing: not excelling. Yes, there were exceptions--EXCEPTIONS. If the argument is that it's white oppression, family structure (upbringing), addiction, or some other fallacy, then why haven't they done anything collectively about it? That's the question one should ask. I, too am exhausted trying to make excuses for them. This isn't racism because when you've lived as long as I have and have seen things with your own two eyes over and over and over again, you make the correlations and you see the patterns--you cannot ignore the evidence. They're not even intelligent enough to stop destroying themselves and each other so they might make positive changes. Blacks are overwhelmingly angry because they can't get ahead as a group. Blacks that attempt to make it (in a white man's world) are looked down upon, ridiculed and abused by their own people--this alone speaks volumes. To compensate, blacks--especially those in the Nation of Islam, for example--come up with utterly ridiculous assertions, like whites are descended from the "original man", i.e. blacks and therefore it is white people that are inferior. If this were true, blacks would have always run this planet. When confronted with the facts, blacks do one thing: make excuse after excuse.
Yes, they have! The ones who aren't complaining are busy succeeding! I have seen some white people complain that they are not succeeding because of ..... Again, winners don't need excuses!
black people lives on developing country in common. that makes the facilities to make them smart are not as modern as in white people country.
if they have a good fortune like white people have, to get a better facility of education, i am sure that they will have a better skill in their life. they can be better than the white people.
in my opinion is that we are equally intelligent...i am black african,and reside in germany.i ve seen a lot of intelligent white people and as well as unintelligent ones,even stupid ones who can not read and write,not that they are sick but just prefer to be stupid.so,we are equall.....take it or not we are equally intelligent.haha
80.0% of African Americans graduated from high school. 17.3% of non-Hispanic Blacks had a four-year college degree. What is "overwhelming" about 17.3%?
Intelligence is an Innate ability which is generally equal to all the mentally stable beings. Intelligence however is influenced at a later stage on the basis of your social belonging.
Like in India... Average Villagers can't help but be a little less smart when their level of education and standard of living fails to match the uptown people.
But, when most of them move to a city, they immediately adopt similar thoughts and improve invariably in their smartness.
So... Seriously. The color of your skin does not go deep enough to color your brain as well.
Though I agree with the many people who think that this debate is stereotypical, I must say that genes and environment are the two factors that affect the intelligence of people.
If the genetics of someone is affected then yes, their potential is affected also, however if their genetics are at a very good standard then it is their environment that distinguishes how well they fulfil that potential.
With over billions of each category and thousands of environments where categories of people vary. It would be racist to say that one side were better than the other. So I have tagged this argument accordingly for no one side could be considered better than the other.
Although statistics show that most white people have a higher IQ then black people, it is regardless of race. It is all cause and effect. White people could be the ones in africa and black people enslave white people. If you are treated like a gangster, you will probably become it. If you were to put 100 black people, and 100 white people, raised the same way, had the same teaching, then it would be fairly equal. IT won't be completely equal because everyone's genes are different. If you wanted to know the exact truth you would have to see everyone's DNA and figure out the differences, and IQ differences. Even after that it would be inaccurate unless both of the people have gone through the same thing. Genes are mutated and carried on through generations which means they could be smarter then white people in later generations and vice-versa. Black and white are only phenotype, but because they have color and some people are treated differently that mutates the person who is getting treated differently's genes. Every single thing that happens to someone will change them whether big or small. Are black people not as smart as white? Maybe, but better no, and is it their fault no. So if you're going to acknowledge yourself being smarter, then acknowledge what they beat you at, and don't use use this as a petty excuse for thinking you are better then them when you clearly aren't for thinking like that and you will just make your life insignificant.
First of all, the only reason some agree that this is right is because of stereotype. When most people think of an African American male they think of somone with baggy pants, chain necklace, using profanity, baby daddy, and acting like they have little intelligence. But many forget that it is African Americans who have contributed to this nation in many ways. Much of our modern technology wouldn't be here if not for the ambition of someone from the African descent. So it is STUPID to base intelligence solely on skin color.
Too many people are making the assumption that education dictates a person's I.Q. It does not. I have read several studies which would suggest that regardless of the situation a person is in or how the person was raised the results are always the same. A black person, raised in a predominantly white area and white school, will STILL represent the average score of black people. Which is on average lower than other races. Or, removed from circumstance, children as young as 3 still follow the same rules. So, remove culture, circumstance, and upbringing and what are you left with? Genetics. Why is it so hard to believe that intelligence can be based on genetics, and that people with darker skin are genetically predisposed to be of a lower I.Q.?
I know one thing! If aliens travel through distant galaxies to reach planet Earth; then they are a lot smarter than any of us. Don't think that they can be shot and killed with our current technological weapons Bubba (Mama says stupid is as stupid does!). They will probably think that our whole notion of an IQ test is wrong. But, then, who am I to question? I am sure that there test scores will probably be 5 or 6 standard deviations above the norm on EARTH! Oh, well, live and let live-we hope.
Intelligence is a very complex subject, too deep to comprehend. Mere skin color doesn't determine someone's intelligent. Skin color is a physical feature which shows how much pigmentation is present in our skin only, intelligence is the abstract part of us. Thus there is no connection at all between skin color and intelligence. Whoever preaches that Whites are smarter than Blacks is a prophet of racialism hate! This is a justification of 500 years of racism, oppression directed at Black or African people. I.Q. tests will never be able to measure the fullness of human intelligence, due to the fact that they're biased. I.Q. tests only reflect the social and educational background of people. Thus in any society, the disadvantaged, poorer, least-educated will score lower than the wealthier and priviledged ones. Culture also plays a major role in I.Q. tests and also affects the way people think and their logic. What's relevant to a White person in Norway might not be relevant to a Black person in Nigeria. In America, we know that the economical, social, educational gap between Blacks and Whites was very large but it narrowing down as years go by. This could explain why Blacks might on average score lower. It has nothing to do with their genetics, skin color, etc... Remember recent African immigrants in the U.S. and Canada have the highest level of education as a group and they're definitely Black(100%!!). So stop with that "old school" theory that "Whites are smarter than Blacks" nothing but a huge lie!
you can talk about IQ and statistics and crap like that but people are forgetting that IQ/intelligence is pretty ambiguous. I mean, what exactly is intelligence? have you asked yourselves that question?
anyways, yeah, asians are known to be the "smartest" race. however, I don't think this has anything to do with IQ. I have quite a few asian friends and all of them come from backgrounds that focus on success and good education. their parents push them to do well, in a way, they /have/ to be smart; to prove themselves to their parents, to their country and their society
I know that with most black people, that isn't really the case. however, I am black- Nigerian- and my parents push me to do my best in all I do. I /want/ to do well, I /want/ to be successful and I /can/, regardless of the colour of my skin. why should I be suppressed and why should my potential be limited by society's views?
my cousins (yes, well done, they are black) managed to achieve one of the highest GCSE results in the United Kingdom and now I have that pressure on me to do well. and I appreciate it.
what am I trying to say? intelligence and race have little correlation. it all depends on the individual. I go to a predominantly white school but some of the white people in my class are lazy as hell and can't be bothered to work to the best of their ability.
you all should be pretty ashamed, arguing over this. I am 15 and frankly I am disgusted by some of the comments on this debate. instead of arguing over intelligence, go educate yourselves further, it'll do you good
Man may try to perceive all level of understanding to the better of his intelligent, but has forgotten one greatest rule ABOVE. Whether white people are smarter than black people or not, one must for-see the unsealable works of the overall supremacy to determine his creation choice. One create, One consume, One Consume, One create.....
All people in the world WILL ONE DAY SEE THE MYSTERY HIDDEN before us, but not until that, Man will continue to argue, argue and argue about everything seen before them.
I honestly think it is a stereotype! Black people can be as smart as any other race, that is known to society to be smarter than Blacks! You guys need to crack open a black history book, and stop listening to that bull y'all see on TV!!! Blacks have struggled alot in the past okay? Remember that. No race is smarter than another. Every race and every one is equally intelligent.
YOU PEOPLE ARE JUST FUCKING RACIS. WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS IT DOESNT MATTER HOW SMART OR DUMB WE ARE. EVERYONE THAT GOD HAS PUT ON THIS EARTH IS UNIQUE.
Race has nothing to do with intelligence . And just because a test says your smart your automatically smart ? no , thats not true . fuck a IQ test . either your smart or your not . race has nothing to do with this