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Blacks should get USED to it You're crazy, excon
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Whites FOR police brutality

Hello:

White people created the BEST country in the world, "and whites should NOT be afraid to admit this. 
Blacks get to RIDE the creation." 

They ought to start appreciating that fact, or we're gonna keep on killing 'em..

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Blacks should get USED to it

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You're crazy, excon

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6 points

Who is the " we " you refer to ?

What do you mean whites for police brutality are black policemen incapable of brutality ?

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Antrim(1297) Clarified
5 points

He's only being mischievously provocative, while the others, by attributing too much credit, to THE BONGO, have tried to rewrite history.

Side: Blacks should get USED to it
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Yes , you're correct Antrim he does tend to get very upset and seems to think all blacks are peace loving , pacifists who do no wrong while whites are violent racist thugs , talk about being confused maybe he's on ' crack '

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Nomenclature(1293) Clarified
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What do you mean by "we're gonna keep on killin em". ?

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"Whites FOR police brutality"

It comes across that you're trying to accuse white people as a whole of being in support of police brutality. This of course is an untrue and racist statement.

Side: You're crazy, excon
excon(13353) Disputed
1 point

Hello W,

Did you say the same thing on the blacks against the flag debate? I didn't think so.

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Side: Blacks should get USED to it
WinstonC(1226) Clarified
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I have absolutely no idea what Slavedevice is saying in that debate so I didn't comment. If he is implying that all blacks are "against the flag" I would make a similar comment, yes. My best guess at what he's saying is that some black athletes protested the American flag which wouldn't be racist but I don't really understand what he's saying.

Side: Blacks should get USED to it
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Immigrants of all colors built this "best country in the world". Today the foundation is crumbling largely because (many of) those that were the majority take credit for the whole thing. THEY are dividing the nation, and "A nation divided............" Well, most of you can fill in the blanks.

Side: You're crazy, excon
Chinaman(1706) Disputed
1 point

Divisiveness only came along with the great healer of all the whole world Barack Obama when he entered the picture.

Side: Blacks should get USED to it
AlofRI(2836) Clarified
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Exactly. As Johnathan Swift once said: "When true genius appears in this world you may know him by this sign, that all the dunces are all in confederacy against him." In like manner, Al Einstein said: " Great minds have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."

The great healer had the dunces in violent opposition from day one. A shame far larger than a few kneeling for social justice!

Side: Blacks should get USED to it
marcusmoon(586) Clarified
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AlofRI,

Immigrants of all colors built this "best country in the world". Today the foundation is crumbling largely because (many of) those that were the majority take credit for the whole thing. THEY are dividing the nation, and "A nation divided............"

This has the potential to introduce a very interesting viewpoint, but I am not sure what you mean on the particulars.

-- -- I take the quotes around best country in the world to indicate irony/sarcasm. If so, what country(ies) do you favor, and why? (How does this indicate a solution for the possible crumbling?)

-- -- So what do you think is the foundation of this country?

-- -- What parts do you think are crumbling?

-- -- By majority that takes credit, do you mean White people (the race) or do you mean proponents of Western culture (e.g. classical logic, empiricism, humanism, the scientific method, British Common Law, Free Market Capitalism, constitutional republics and representative/ democratic government, etc.)?

-- -- Whom do you mean by the THEY who are dividing the nation?

Side: Blacks should get USED to it
1 point

Police officers are far more likely to be killed by a black person than vice versa. Over the past decade, black males comprised 40 percent of all cop killers, though they are 6 percent of the population. That means that an officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

Violent crime is rising in cities with large black populations. Homicides in 2015 rose anywhere from 54 percent in Washington, D.C., to 90 percent in Cleveland. In the nation's 56 largest cities, homicides rose 17 percent in 2015, a nearly unprecedented one-year spike. In the first half of 2016, homicides in 51 large cities were up another 15 percent compared to the same period last year.

Police brutality is another one of your fictional views.

Side: You're crazy, excon
marcusmoon(586) Clarified
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Chinaman,

Police brutality is another one of your fictional views.

Police brutality/misconduct is not fiction, but it is nowhere near as prevalent as some people would propose, nor is it consciously focused solely or even primarily on any one race.

There are things in our legal/justice system that desperately need improvement:

-- -- Police training and screening of applicants for law enforcement jobs need a lot of improvement in much of the country.

-- -- Cops need to be paid by the same standard as other high risk professions that require specialized training and extremely high levels of extremely rare abilities.

The average Airplane pilot is paid almost double what the average cop is paid ($99k/yr $53k/yr) despite the fact that the cop has to master a larger set of more complex skills, use those skills in a more dangerous and stressful environment, and react to situations according to a much shorter timeline (often less than half a second reaction window.)

This problem that in most jurisdictions (most egregiously in small towns) police are so poorly paid, means the profession does not tend to attract society's best and brightest. This leads to lower standards for candidates' education, experience, interpersonal skillsets, and reliable reaction times.

I would be surprised if there are any Americans, cops included, who do not want every single police officer to be a bastion of restraint and good judgment.

That requires training and extraordinary people. Both are expensive.

Side: Blacks should get USED to it
Amarel(4987) Clarified
1 point

Police training and screening of applicants for law enforcement jobs need a lot of improvement in much of the country.

I won't say I disagree, but I would like to know what makes you say this. What problems do police have that will be solved by screening and training? What kind of training is necessary?

This problem that in most jurisdictions (most egregiously in small towns) police are so poorly paid, means the profession does not tend to attract society's best and brightest.

Who does it attract? Does this problem make a small towns police department worse (in terms of education, experience, interpersonal skillsets, and reliable reaction times) than say, the Chicago PD?

Side: Blacks should get USED to it
Chinaman(1706) Disputed
1 point

The prevalence of whites for police brutality is fictional.

Side: Blacks should get USED to it
1 point

America is amazing,but it would not have survived long enough to thrive without the contribution of blacks. Unfortunately, at the beginning of the U.S., a lot of that contribution came in the form of slavery. It is sad that we had slaves but without the labor we would never have won the revolutionary war. Not to mention that many slaves fought for the U.S. in battle. Slaves helped win the battles of Ticonderoga, Breed's hill, Trenton, Princeton, Brandywine, Saratoga, Savanah, Charleston, Cowpens, Yorktown, and countless others. True, the U.S. was led by a majority of whites, but gained victory only on the backs of slaves. Black people have also made huge contributions to society. Garret Morgan created most of the laws of traffic and had the idea of the traffic light. Daniel Williams was the first to complete open heart surgery successfully. Lewis Latimer perfected the light-bulb. There is so much black people have done in contribution, they do not deserve to be abused.

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marcusmoon(586) Clarified
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There is so much black people have done in contribution, they do not deserve to be abused.

Drop the racist silliness of putting everybody into categories by race, and then acting like they are all the same, and pronouncing that because of that they deserve the same thing as each other.

You also seem to be saying that somehow the contributions of Garret Morgan, Daniel Williams, and Lewis Latimer reflect some credit for their accomplishments onto other Black people, the vast majority of whom did not assist these men, or even know them.

Consider how ridiculous it is to say that Hitler did not deserve to be abused because of all the great things Galileo and Isaac Newton did for humanity.

Let's face it. There are some individuals in every race category who are horrible people, and actually DO deserve to be abused.

What you are doing is conflating category with group.

A category is merely a mental construct, an abstraction based on a set of common criteria. By contrast a group is a collection of concrete and defined individual things or people.

Your racist statement is based on the A group exists in the real world, whereas a category does not exist outside of the mind.

Being thought of as belonging in the same category implies only similarities, and not differences have been used to determine

Side: Blacks should get USED to it
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I feel like this is coming from some place else, but I don't know from who.

Truth be told Blacks built this country, from buildings to agriculture, America got it's start off the death of the previous peoples living here and the backs of black slaves. America also a melting pot of immigrants, most of which are still helping to build this country still so I'm not sure who this "we" is that's going to keep killing them.

Side: You're crazy, excon
Chinaman(1706) Disputed
1 point

Blacks built America did they and you are implying by your response that blacks are the only immigrants to America. Thinking this through and viewing what you typed then there must have been more than black slaves in America. Whom might it be as immigrants were also slaves. Nationality of them could possibly help your misguided cause.

Side: Blacks should get USED to it
Mint_tea(4114) Disputed
1 point

you are implying by your response that blacks are the only immigrants to America.

I didn't say Blacks where the only immigrants so I apologize if that's how it sounded. America is a melting pot of difficult cultures and beliefs, but a vast majority of what built this great country were Slaves.

*Edit oh I see it's because I said Blacks built this country, so let me clarify, I do believe most of this country was built off the backs of black slaves but I can't say what percentage with certainty so I will amend it to the vast majority.

Side: You're crazy, excon