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Who had the more enduring vision of the United States? Hamilton or Jefferson?

Students:  You must decide: Who had a more enduring vision of the United States?  Hamilton or Jefferson.  Be sure to defend your position clearly.  Use at least 3 reasons/view points to support your answer.  You answer should be at least 2 paragraphs long but could be up to 4.    For full full credit, comment on at least 3 classmates viewpoints.


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Former students debated republican and federalist viewpoints of post-Revolutionary America and related the lessons of the historical arguments to contemporary American society. Alumni from the law schools of Columbia University and the University of Virginia speak on behalf of Hamilton and Jefferson, respectively. Following initial arguments, participants responded to questions from the audience.

Thomas Jefferson

Side Score: 133
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Alexander Hamilton

Side Score: 200
5 points

Margaret Wirick

Gorman 7th

1/11/14

Thomas Jefferson is the right match for America rather than Alexander Hamilton because of his views on equality, individual liberties, and his writings in the Declaration of independence. I believe that even though Jefferson had some negative things about him, he was a better fit for America than Hamilton. He was always for the people and he never let race, gender, or social status stand in the way of fighting for his people.

Jefferson wanted equality in the states. He had written in the Declaration of Independence that “all men are created equal…” and stood by that for the rest of his life. He understood that no man, black or white, rich or poor, were no better than the other. Although he had come from a wealthy family, his parents taught him to treat people fairly and to not discriminate. Jefferson had a vision of slave free states where no man was discriminated because of his race or wealth. Jefferson also helped with the common people and did not ignore them just because they were not rich like other people. He had, “a deep faith in the common people especially farmers and he distrust special privilege.” This means he depended on the common people as much as he did the rich and did not give the rich more power, unlike Hamilton who only trusted the rich and did not want anything to do with the common people.

In the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson wrote that all men should have, “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Although Jefferson did not mean to put this in the Declaration, it made a lasting impression of the kind of person that he was. Putting these three ideas in the Declaration made him an icon to the American people because he shaped America to be the way it is today. If he had not included that statement, we may not have all the rights and freedom that we have today. He impacted the way we live today and that can never be outdone by anything Hamilton ever did. Also, Jefferson wanted to protect our individual rights whereas Hamilton wanted to limit them. Jefferson was more for the people than Hamilton and that’s why he was a better match for America.

One of the most influential documents of America was the Declaration of Independence. It includes the ideas of equality, and freedom. This document had shaped America to what it is today. If he hadn’t written this document, we would be so different from what we are today. In this document, Jefferson wrote about all men being created equal and religious freedom. He created an environment that everyone has rights and no one is judged by their race or wealth. Jefferson wrote the Declaration for his country because he knew that things had to change. He changed the world and its views on slavery, freedom and equality. This is why I chose Thomas Jefferson as a better fit for America than Alexander Hamilton.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
EvannsM(5) Disputed
5 points

I disagree when you say that Jefferson was for the people regardless of race because in the debate we saw in class, we learned that Jefferson was a harsh slave owner.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

it also said that while other slave-owners freed their slaves upon death, he didn't. You can clearly find evidence that Hamilton was a strong abolitionist, while Jefferson wasn't.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I stand with Evanns on this, Margaret, you wrote that Jefferson didn't let things like race and gender get in the way of fighting for his people, but in my eyes it seems he did. An owner of more than 200 African American slaves, his view of equality relating to race seems hazy, I mean, can you trust the guy who SAYS it don't matter if your black or white, when you go to his house and you see him with his whip, putting some tough love into the backs of his slaves... yeah if I'm not so sure if that's equal or not, I'll just go ask the slaves. But besides that screaming controversy, he also seemed to favor a few (slaves) and set them free for an exceptional reason. That reason being they were his unlawful children, and were set loose at adulthood. So there is my reasoning for not trusting someone who keeps his children as slaves for part of their lives. Blatantly, Gradioactive Destroyer

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

I agree Margaret that Jefferson had a bigger and better effect on America

Side: Thomas Jefferson
3 points

Maragret, I like how you admitted that Jefferson had flaws. I agree that he did, but despite this his views on equality and freedom still made the greater impact on this nation

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

i like how you pointed out his negatives but said how he still had a better impact on America

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

I agree that Jefferson had some negative things about him.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I agree whole-heartedly with each of these reasons! Jefferson would make a likelier candidate.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I agree with you completely Margaret his words and promises he has stated in the Declaration of Independence are why I think his vision is much better than Hamiltons. I also agree though with one of the comments from earlier. It was very confusing about how he thought all men were created equal yet he still had slaves...but you have to think about also that he set them free, I think in the debate we saw in class it said 7 or 8? But he set them free over time meaning after he had slaves he let them go.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I like how you wrote what he stood for and included his background

Side: Thomas Jefferson
aidanmawrice(2) Disputed
1 point

I think that while Jefferson's achievements are notable, his views on government, economy, and industrialism aren't even close to how good Hamiltons were.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
zachv(4) Disputed
1 point

i disagree when you say he wanted equality in the states because he owned like 200 slaves and never let them free when he died.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
5 points

" Free people claim their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate." Thomas Jefferson.

Jefferson was a brilliant , yet soft spoken man, notorious for his gifted writing skills. When faced with the fate of American,he made some significant decisions that changed the way we regarded our miraculous nation. Thomas Jefferson had a very compelling vision for America and certainly impacted the way America is seen today. His beliefs on a democratic government, supporting the protections of individual rights; fathering the Declaration of Independence , and his other contributions  to America are what make him a likelier suite for the young nation rather than any other candidate.

Establishing a democratic government involved allowing all  others to have a say in how they were governed. Jefferson supported this , as it did not restrict having a voice in the government to only a certain class, primarily the wealthy land owners. In his mind, every man is created equally , as dictated in the Declaration of  Independence. They shall all be granted freedoms and rights of the same degree, know as unalienable rights.  The right to love life and the pursuit of happiness are among them. Jefferson proposed a fair and just government, swiftly allowing any man of any class to voice their opinion. Such fervent beliefs of government reflect on Jefferson as a person. He was born into a wealthy family of the highest class, and did not allow his back round to cloud his judgment nor define him. He stood firm in his thoughts of equality and guaranteed freedoms to any man by supporting a democratic government. Jefferson also openly displayed trust among American citizens, by allowing the people to govern themselves, it shows that he sincerely trusts them to uphold a government in which they can take pride in, and claim everyone is pleased with. As it is the case with most political leaders, trust is evident; however most mutual citizens , whichever party they extend their beliefs to gain trust for their desired candidate; trust to govern accordingly with similar beliefs. It is very rarely though does the political leader share this same feeling of trust. This is why candidate, Thomas Jefferson would be the most successful as a potential  suite for the young nation rather than any other candidate. Citizens in favor of Jefferson trust him to maintain their simple rights and freedoms, and in return, he trusts citizens, to have a capital judgment, and to lead a successful government. When trust becomes mutual, favorable results, especially in a political sys rem, flourish.

During the time of ratification of the Constitution, the two candidates for America, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, joined separate parties. Jefferson's beliefs favored the anti-federalists, or those who opposed ratification of the Constitution, while Hamilton joined the opposite. Jefferson feared that by ratifying the Constitution, individual rights and liberties may have been taken away. He was especially wary, as there was no sort of protection of these rights mentioned in the Constitution. Jefferson absolutely refused to support it until actions were taken to secure the personal rights and liberties  of American citizens. In 1791, the American Bill of Rights, inspired by Thomasa Jefferson, and drafted by James Madison, was adopted. Jefferson worked diligently to secure the rights of American citizens, something taken for granted daily. By requesting the Bill of Rights, he ensured that no power could be taken from those who should govern America, the people. Jefferson himself said, "A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth, general or particular, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference."

America, viewed by modern society, is considered to be quite diverse  with a multitude of different cultures, ethnicities, and religions. This is partly due to Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson introduced the idea of religious freedom by drafting the Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom of 1779. He firmly believed in allowing American citizens the opportunity to decide upon their own religious faith. He considered this a right to which should be applied to all citizens of America. Jefferson created for himself a lasting impact on American culture today through the administration of religious freedom. This opportunity increased the diversity of our country. He felt that religion and state should be kept separate for the benefit of a successful country, which would later be pr oven accurate.

Thomas Jefferson accomplished many things in life, such as  writing the Declaration of Independence. This document is what created America by formally announcing our separation from Great Britain. This document is one of the most famous in American history and was vital to our success Asa growing indecent nation. The Declaration incorporates the way Americans regard themselves, as does outline many other areas of significance. The document not only signifies the pride of finally being able to accomplish a nation of Independence, but also serves as an expression of American identity. That document dictates who we are, as proud and free Americans. The Constitution, what we continue to govern ourselves with today, embodies certain aspects and principles of the Declaration of Independence. Our entire form of government contains small inferences of the Declaration. Without it, America would not be the powerful nation it has evolved into over the years with Jefferson's help. He outlined the fundamental rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is through this document that the equality of man is evident. With that simple line alone, any individual person  now has the opportunities available to any other. This man of brilliant nature created one of the most influential documents in history. In one document, he outlined and explained with up most importance and detail, what Americans stand for, why we reside as a dignified and independent nation, the basic rights and freedoms guaranteed to all American citizens, and so much more. It seems only right to claim that the man with the most enduring vision for America, is the one who created it, through writing and mind, and defended it with heart and soul. It was through his words written in the ink of his hand, that all Americans are proud and free. We operate as more than a whole, perfectly free from any tyrant who deems it fit to strip away our liberties, and crush our spirits.

 When America comes to mind, not only do we think of it as a noble, distinguished nation, but also a powerful and expansive country. We also have Jefferson to thank for this. Through means of the Louisiana Purchase, he nearly doubled the size of America with a deal among the French leader Napoleon Bonaparte for once the price of 15 million dollars, Jefferson gained a respectable piece of land containing the future states of Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, and Montana. Some might argue that this was done in unconstitutional ways due to the fact that buying such a large sum of land was not written anywhere in the Constitution. This can be easily overcome as the effects of purchasing the land were splendid. This deal doubled the size of America, allowed trade to flourish, and made the nation stronger and more prosperous as a whole. When faced with a difficult decision, Jefferson did what he thought was best for America, and it definitely paid off. Settlers had new opportunities to create a new life and contributed to the success of our country.

  Because Thomas Jefferson was born into a wealthy family, you would expect his actions and beliefs to reflect on this; however this was not the case. Jefferson craved equality in this new nation.  He stood for a democratic government in which all people, regardless of class, had a say in the way they were governed. He did not allow his past or his background determine his future. Jefferson grew to gain his own theories and beliefs, which reflected only on himself as person, not where he came from. He thought to include everyone and greatly favored equality  amongst American citizens. With a democratic government, he believed the people had the ability to make the right choices if they became aware. He established mutual trust with all of those who believed in him to lead a successful country. They trusted him to keep their rights, and liberties, and he trusted them to prosper with their own voices in the government. Trust is something that is not typically found in politics , but it has arrived in the form of Thomas Jefferson. He supported the protection of individual rights, and fought until some sort of actions were taken, and invested into the constitution. He is responsible for the diversity of America, beginning religiously with his drafting of the Virginia act for establishing religious freedom. He believed in choice and opportunity. He proclaimed the identity of America when he wrote the Declaration of Independence. Jefferson was at the country's side even when it first formed. He authored its birth certificate, while outlining American expression in the process. The Declaration of Independence is how we, as Americans think of ourselves, and to think that this exceptional man helped begin such an idea, is outstanding. He doubled the size of the country which in turn allowed the economy flourish, as well as provide new opportunities of life for settlers. Thomas Jefferson is the reason America prospered into a large respectable nation. He stood by the side of the people and defended us with everything he had. All the while, Jefferson never once forgot where he came from, but he did not let it dictate his life either. Thomas Jefferson, founding father, author of the Declaration of Independence, founder of the University of Virginia, and third president of the United States, discovered balance. He stood by America from infancy, when it first broke away from Britain, is standing by it now, with is lasting effect on the country, and will forever be by its side. The United States of America is Jefferson's country, and although scarred, is still, and forever be going strong.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
4 points

Example argument from past student. (Skyler Simon)

To me, a legacy is the impact a person made on their time, and what they left to help the future. Jefferson started from a rich family, but that didn't matter to him. His legacy was created from the ground up. He spoke through the written word, which tends to have a greater impact on people, seeing as how they will see the words again and again. He was full of great virtues, and trusted the people, but not to a fault. Educated people were to be trusted with power. They will be able to make good decisions if they know what is going on. Everybody counts, from the youngest slave, to the wealthiest plantation owner.

Now, think about the rights you have. Jefferson is the reason you have them. He demanded that a Bill of Rights be added to the Constitution. He ensured that the government could not take the power from us, the people. Hamilton thought the national government should have the power, but Jefferson knew that the people were the ones that should govern the new, democratic nation. He knew that this would prevent the government from ever being unfair to the people like Britain was to America.

Now, think of him as the author of the Declaration of Independence. He wrote that as humans, we have the FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." The "unalienable rights" we possess are thanks to him. He believed that all humans are equal, no matter if they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth, like him, or if they were born into nothing. They have the opportunity to get educated, to take their freedoms and run with them, to make something out of themselves! Without such a strong document to declare these rights, written by a brilliant man who can make his words come alive, we would not be the strong country we are today. In fact, these principles have been introduced into many state Constitutions over the years. These are ideas burned into the minds of all US citizens. Immigrants come here because they know that America will guarantee them these rights which they have been denied in their home countries.

Thomas Jefferson also drafted the bill for religious freedom. It gave all citizens of Virginia religious freedom, and it also explained about separation of church and state. Many people hadn't thought of this and had just assumed that there would be a national religion and that it would be part of the new government of America. The ideas Jefferson explores in this bill are integrated into the Bill of Rights in the 1st Amendment.

In office, Jefferson DOUBLED the size of our country, thereby securing our spot as a growing world power. By increasing our boundaries by so much, he allowed for more settlers to come and help make America prosper. He grew our nation to a new size with new land that was very different from the land we already owned. It allowed for new opportunities, in both economics and landowning, letting families go find their fortune in the west.

He was a positive man who looked out for the farmers. He trusted the people with the fate of our country. He knew that we could make good decisions if we knew what was going on. His ideas changed the way Americans see their rights and freedoms. His ideas changed the way we see each other. They altered the public’s relationship with the government. These ideas that came from Thomas Jefferson's head are etched into our brains. All the rights people are guaranteed in America, the rights that are the root of war in so many countries such as Libya and Darfur in Sudan; the unrest in China due to internet censorship, and the anger in America when they tried to limit us. Without a Bill of Rights, the government may have been able to enforce SOPA and PIPA, because we wouldn't have had a right to be violated.

Thank Thomas Jefferson for American freedoms. Thank him for your rights. Even more importantly, thank him for freeing us from the tyrant that was Britain.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I agree with Ms.Gorman, education is very important and helps people make well informed choices.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
4 points

In my opinion, Thomas Jefferson had a bigger impact on America rather than Alexander Hamilton. Whether or not he had negatives that took away from his impact I support Jefferson because he made the bigger impact due to his ideas about inalienable rights, his strict interpretation of the Constitution, and his favoring of a more Democratic government rather than following the British model.

Even though Thomas Jefferson grew up in a rather wealthy family he was always in support of equality and inalienable rights. To him it did not matter whether the individual was black or white, but rather the fact that he was a citizen of this great nation and deserved the same rights as anyone else. In the Declaration of Independence Thomas Jefferson wrote all men are endowed to the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. He also favored slave free states and didn't discriminate against anyone in the states. With his dependency on the common people and his distrust in special privilege he showed that he relied on the common people to do what was right and that he didn't give the richer people any more power than the common people. Due to this we can surmise that Thomas Jefferson had a well-developed character, respected everyone equally, and was more of a social figurehead rather than Hamilton.

Unlike Hamilton, Jefferson favored a more Democratic government rather than a British styled government. This meant that Jefferson wanted more power to be put in the people and not the government officials. He also wanted the common people to have as equal of a vote as the rich and wealthy would. Jefferson wanted a Democratic government in order to restore power to the people and let them elect their officials rather than the officials have an “Entitlement” to their position. He didn't want a wealthy politician deciding what to do with the country, but rather he wanted the people to decide. Jefferson also favored a strict interpretation of the Constitution. I agree with this because our country’s political system was based off of the Constitution and it is what we should rule ourselves by. Even George Washington once said, “The Constitution is the guide which I never will abandon.” This was because it was written for us to follow it and not stray from.

Thomas Jefferson made a lasting impact on our nation that we will never forget. He wrote the Declaration of Independence, established the ideas of inalienable rights and equality, wanted a more Democratic government, and wanted to have a stricter interpretation of the Constitution. He also made a lasting impression on the world because other countries model themselves after us. Many immigrants leave their nation because they would rather live in a nation in which everyone is equal and free. I support Thomas Jefferson because he helped us become who we are as a nation to this day.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I agree with you completely when you ralk about his principle of equality.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I agree with Tommy, having a strong state government makes a lot of sense because of the past pains the colonists had experienced with the British.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
AndrewW(2) Disputed
1 point

I think of Jefferson as a hypocrite because he said that he believed all men to be equal, but his actions contradicted that.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
3 points

Between Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson, it is in my opinion that Thomas Jefferson left the better and more enduring vision for America. He was a powerful advocate for the people, while Hamilton cared more for creating an economy. Hamilton may have created the backbone for the country, but Jefferson made the country possible. He also expanded the country with the Louisiana Purchase. In all, Jefferson had a better view on human rights, on how the government should be run, and who could vote.

In the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson stated that "...all men are created equal", and while he may have been a bit of a hypocrite in the fact that he himself owned slaves, he still helped free them in many states, and create rights for them, when the rest of the country was reluctant to give them. He was also wanted to keep their rights free of any government interference in case of tyranny, and wanted them protected by laws. He supported the people, and he was very down-to-earth, even though he came from a wealthy background. Hamilton, however, cared more for establishing a sound economy and National Bank then for the people, even though he himself was raised poor as dirt.

Jefferson believed that there should be a strict interpretation with the constitution, unlike Jefferson, who wanted a looser interpretation. Jefferson wrote that "all men had the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Jefferson wanted to protect the 'unalienable' rights of the people by law in case of tyranny. Hamilton wanted to restrict some of the human rights, the basic rights that we as humans, and citizens of the United States take for granted.

He believed in a more Democratic government, a government run by the people. He knew that the best government would be one in which the people made their own decisions, because who knows better than the people who actually live in the country? The wealthier classes might have a better education in politics and government, but they don't fact the same challenges and hardships that the ordinary man or woman might. Therefore, they are the only ones who are qualified to actually make those decisions for the well-being of the country.

He also wanted to lower the voting qualifications, which would allow more of the actual people to be able to vote, not just the rich and wealthy classes. If Hamilton had his way, only the richest would be able to vote, which wouldn't be very productive since they would only be voting in the interest of their money and the economy, most likely. The poorer farmers and merchants, however, know what changes would need to be made.

I support Jefferson, because he was for the people. He wanted them to be able to make their own decisions, not some wealthy politician. He supported their rights, and he wanted an economy that helped them.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

Noelle, in your introduction I agree that he was the more powerful advocate for the people and that he had a better view on human rights.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I agree with your explanation on why he wanted to lower voting qualifications.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
3 points

Thomas Jefferson inspired those around him and those who followed in his footsteps and thats why I believe that he left a more lasting effect on America then Alexander Hamilton did. Other than being the writer of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wanted to lower the voting qualifications, protect individual rights, and help the French in their war against the British. To lower the voting qualifications means to allow everyone, no matter who you are, to vote if you're over a certain age. This would make everyone equal and create more of a democratic government, run by the people. Thomas Jefferson also trusted the people and valued their opinion, other than Alexander Hamilton who believed that common people acted foolishly and that the government should be run by the wealthy, in more of a British system of government. Even though Thomas Jefferson distrusted the wealthy, he still believed in the common people and that everyone one should have the right to vote which is an important thing in our society today. Thomas Jefferson also wanted to protect the individual rights of the citizens. This is important because if he did not do this, then we might not have the same rights that we do today. He accomplished this by writing the Declaration of Independence and having input on the Bill of Rights. This has left an everlasting effect on America and is one of Thomas Jefferson's biggest achievements. As Jefferson says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". Jefferson also believed that America should support the French in their war against Britain. This is good because the French helped us in the revolutionary war, so we should help them back. By helping the French we could have also gained other international allies. Jefferson was remembered for his caring attitude and how he treated others with respect and love. I believe that Jefferson left an everlasting impact on America because he was an ingenious man who believed in lowering the voting qualifications, protecting America's individual rights, and helping the French win their war against the British.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I like how you added a major quote by Thomas Jefferson. I also like how you added the part where we helped the French which helped us gain other international allies.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I like how you start out your argument by talking about how inspiring Thomas Jefferson was to the people rather than Alexander Hamilton. This personally makes me feel more confident in my choice with Jefferson. I also like how you quote his three beliefs on life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. well done!

Side: Thomas Jefferson
3 points

Today, the United States of America is one of the worlds strongest and most enduring countires. It's roots though, tie back to the great men of our past, who worked exceptionaly hard to create our nation. There were many great men during this time, however for me, Thomas Jerfferson left one of the greatest and most enduirng legacies for this country. Everywhere you look, you can see the influence his idea's and action's had, and still have on us today.

Thomas Jefferson was born a rich man in the south. This could have greatly impacted his attutide towards other, but instead, Jefferson became a bold man of ideas and morals. Some of his greatest achievements are based around this sole, and radical idea of equality and that all men are created equal. When Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independece, he created a symbol and basis that this country is shaped from. America is the land of the free, and this is what began it all. When Jefferson wrote about how people had unalienable rights, his only concern was to stick up for the 'little guy', as he put it. He didn't want any one person or group to have special privalge or treatment over another, especially coming out of a war with British rule. Jefferson was a man of the people, and his greatest concern was of protecting their rights. His morals are something that has inspired many throghout history, and continues to be a basis for this country today. These idea's, helped shape a country like no other, and still continues to impact not only us, but other's around the world.

Jefferson's strong sense of fairness and equality didn't stop in his written works, which are a national symbol today, but extended to his idea's about government as well. Jefferson believed the best way to run this country would be to create a democracy. At this time finding a true democracy was nearly impossilbe, but Jerfferson still wanted to try. In order to have a true democracy, Jefferson understood that all men should have a say in government, which goes back to his idea's and beliefs that all men are created equal. He pushed to lower voting qualifications, which would allow more people to have a say in their country. He did understand that better educated men should have part in the government, but didn't want them to control everything. He believed that the state government should have power over their own people, although he still supported the Constitution. He only demanded a bill of rights. When it came to religion, Jefferson wanted the government to be seperate from the church, allowing greater freedom of religion. Although Jefferson's economy pushed for superiority of farmers, this was only to allow advantage to the hard workers who deserved to profit from the economoy as much as others. At the time, this was not such an unrealistic idea, but a precaution of equal oppurtunity for all. All these are purely for the sake of protecting individual rights of citizens, and giving the people control over the government. These are integral parts of democracy as a whole, and of the way we run our government today. Without Jefferson, these idea's, and the very identity and meaning of this nation may not be the same.

Jefferson inspired the mind and hearts of men with his idea's and writing, a legacy that is carried down and spread from generation to generation even today. His impact on this society is also physical though, severly changing the geography of this nation as a whole. Jefferson was one of the politicians responsilbe for the land ordinance of 1784, which promoted the expansion of the country by protecting the rights of the settlers and regions being settled. The largest geographical accomplishment though, happened in Jefferson's presiency. Jefferson bought the Lousiana purchase, an extensive area of fertile and prosperous land for a very low cost. This land purchase nearly doubled the size of the country, which helped us become the national powerhouse we are today. The protected rights of settlers though, are what allowed people to move west, taking full advantage of the land, and bringing more people to the country as a whole.

Jeffeson's work not only inspired the American mind, system of government, and the geography itself, but helped us create our identity today. America is a large land, know for its equality and freedom. These rich promises bring people here from all over the world, inspire others, and make us one of greatest countries. All of these things though, were greatly inspired and influenced by Thomas Jefferson. America today, is his legacy.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

Jaycee, I really agree with your conclusion about how he inspired the American mind and how he helped create our identity.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
3 points

I think Jefferson made a bigger on America. His family was rich, but he didn’t let that change his mind about other people. He supported equal rights and human rights. He wrote the Declaration of Independence, and he introduced the ideas of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Unalienable rights were rights that could not be taken away from an individual no matter what, are thanks to him. He believed all men were created equal.

Thomas Jefferson also created the bill for religious freedom. It gave all citizens of Virginia religious freedom, and it also explained about separation of church and state. Many people hadn't thought of this and had just assumed that there would be a national religion and that it would be part of the new government of America. The ideas Jefferson explores in this bill are in the the Bill of Rights in the 1st Amendment. These are some of the reasons that I think Thomas Jefferson had a bigger impact on America than Alexander Hamilton

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

yes I agree and I like how you focused on his role in equality and how it was a bigger impact on America than hamiltons

Side: Thomas Jefferson
jonahott(3) Disputed
1 point

Yes Jefferson did have those views on unalienable rights, but he was completely controversial to his own writings because he owned slaves, and wasn't exactly a nice slave owner either

Side: Alexander Hamilton
3 points

Thomas Jefferson was born and raised in riches. Yet, in spite of this, his parents always taught him to stick up for the little guy. The guy who didn't have much, the underdog who the rich overlooked. He especially thought the farmers and planters, the ones who grew the food the rich ate, had wisdom and insights that were often pushed aside. He was the author of the Declaration of Independence, an influential politician, and a voice for the people.

Thomas Jefferson wrote the document that declared independence from Britain. The Declaration of Independence was the paper that was given to King George the Third to tell him the baby bird had left the nest. This was and still is one of the most influential documents in American history, a statement to the people that they are free. Being the main author of this document, Jefferson made sure to make his position clear. He wanted everyone to know that no matter their background, amount of money they had, or social standing could stop them from their very own 'pursuit of happiness.' He believed these words with all his heart, and everyone could see his heart on his sleeve. He was praised for it, but it also made him an outsider to many. His role in declaring America and independent nation can not be rivaled, and his vision for America and it's independence lasts until this very day.

Jefferson was an influential colonial leader and politician. He believed that the people should be in charge of themselves, and he was a leader of the Democratic view. He opposed the thought that the people who were just born into fine families should be the only people given the chance to change the nation. The idea and vision that the people should have the power is still the main government today, and he was the main reason that the idea even exists.

Thomas was always a voice for the common people. He was always side-by-side with the poor, even though as a child he was raised with the rich. He was surrounded by people who thought that money was connected directly with the heart of a person, but he knew and was taught by his parents that that was not true. By having that insight from his parents he was able to connect with more people and get more thoughts from more than just the rich. He was able to be a great president later on because he was able to connect with not just the rich, but also the poor. He was able to benefit all people, and continue to be a voice for everyone.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I like that you gave his back story and how he was raised compared to others of his time it shows that it all depends on what morals you are taught as a child

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I like the fact that Jefferson never forgot where he came from, but didn't allow it to define his beliefs.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
3 points

In my perspective I believe Thomas Jefferson had a more enduring vision of America rather than Hamilton because he truly believed in the People. Thomas Jefferson believed fully that everyone is equal, and that everyone has a different perspective on things. Since everyone does indeed have their own view on things, this way of government can bring diversity, and wise decision making to America.

Rather than Hamilton who believed the strong central government (much like Britain) should control over the states instead of listening to the people. This way of government obviously didn't work out, shown by the American Revolution. Yes we are human, and yes humans tend to get selfish but Jefferson believes the people will come together and make decisions that is truly best for everyone. Think about it, we live our everyday lives and we know the current problems that the government might be causing ,are problems the government just can't see. Thats why Jefferson believed the people could solve these problems,making the government at peace.

Now think about this, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, or right to a speedy trial. If it wasn't for Thomas Jefferson you wouldn't have these rights. Jefferson made sure to never let a common person be treated unfairly to the rich government just because of a "power" difference. Jefferson forced these rights for the people because with a strong central government these rights would protect the people and not be treated unfairly by the government like Britain did. Yes I do believe that Hamilton was right to think of alliances with the U.S., and to set up national banks. But, Hamilton only believed in the "rich" people and didn't believe in equality. This in my opinion would start riots because just like in Britain, the people would have little say. But, putting the power to the people like Jefferson believed, this would be a more fair and successful way of government.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I agree completley with your statements. Jefferson only wanted the best for the people, but he wanted the people to be involved in what was happening in our country. He wanted it to be far for all of us. He is the reason why we have such great rights today.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

Example argument from past year's student. (Skyler Simon)

To me, a legacy is the impact a person made on their time, and what they left to help the future. Jefferson started from a rich family, but that didn't matter to him. His legacy was created from the ground up. He spoke through the written word, which tends to have a greater impact on people, seeing as how they will see the words again and again. He was full of great virtues, and trusted the people, but not to a fault. Educated people were to be trusted with power. They will be able to make good decisions if they know what is going on. Everybody counts, from the youngest slave, to the wealthiest plantation owner.

Now, think about the rights you have. Jefferson is the reason you have them. He demanded that a Bill of Rights be added to the Constitution. He ensured that the government could not take the power from us, the people. Hamilton thought the national government should have the power, but Jefferson knew that the people were the ones that should govern the new, democratic nation. He knew that this would prevent the government from ever being unfair to the people like Britain was to America.

Now, think of him as the author of the Declaration of Independence. He wrote that as humans, we have the FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." The "unalienable rights" we possess are thanks to him. He believed that all humans are equal, no matter if they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth, like him, or if they were born into nothing. They have the opportunity to get educated, to take their freedoms and run with them, to make something out of themselves! Without such a strong document to declare these rights, written by a brilliant man who can make his words come alive, we would not be the strong country we are today. In fact, these principles have been introduced into many state Constitutions over the years. These are ideas burned into the minds of all US citizens. Immigrants come here because they know that America will guarantee them these rights which they have been denied in their home countries.

Thomas Jefferson also drafted the bill for religious freedom. It gave all citizens of Virginia religious freedom, and it also explained about separation of church and state. Many people hadn't thought of this and had just assumed that there would be a national religion and that it would be part of the new government of America. The ideas Jefferson explores in this bill are integrated into the Bill of Rights in the 1st Amendment.

In office, Jefferson DOUBLED the size of our country, thereby securing our spot as a growing world power. By increasing our boundaries by so much, he allowed for more settlers to come and help make America prosper. He grew our nation to a new size with new land that was very different from the land we already owned. It allowed for new opportunities, in both economics and landowning, letting families go find their fortune in the west.

He was a positive man who looked out for the farmers. He trusted the people with the fate of our country. He knew that we could make good decisions if we knew what was going on. His ideas changed the way Americans see their rights and freedoms. His ideas changed the way we see each other. They altered the public’s relationship with the government. These ideas that came from Thomas Jefferson's head are etched into our brains. All the rights people are guaranteed in America, the rights that are the root of war in so many countries such as Libya and Darfur in Sudan; the unrest in China due to internet censorship, and the anger in America when they tried to limit us. Without a Bill of Rights, the government may have been able to enforce SOPA and PIPA, because we wouldn't have had a right to be violated.

Thank Thomas Jefferson for American freedoms. Thank him for your rights. Even more importantly, thank him for freeing us from the tyrant that was Britain.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

We can break this down into three categories. Economical, social, and political.

Economical:

Hamilton favored a national bank, public debt, a strong commercial and industrial society, tariffs.

Jefferson opposed the National bank and wanted state banks instead. Debts to be paid quickly, and an agrarian society.

Social:

Hamilton favored the wealthy running the country and was supported by the upper class whereas Jefferson favored the common people in charge and was supported by the lower and middle class.

Political:

Hamilton favored a strong central government based on the British system, broad interpretation of the constitution, a central government that is active in the economy and military, opposed the idea of states rights.

Jefferson believed in a more democratic government that increased states rights and a more strict interpretation of the constitution, especially separation of church and state.

So, on the question of who had the more enduring vision of the US, here is the final breakdown.

economical- favors Hamilton

social- favors Jefferson

political- favors Jefferson

So my vote goes to Jefferson

Side: Thomas Jefferson

He is more known then Alexander Hamilton and he was one the men who actually authored the declaration of independence.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

Thomas Jefferson lived a rather simple life, but his beliefs shone through his actions and words. Thomas Jefferson deeply believes in hard work. If you strive to succeed, you are worth just as much a the wealthy. Everyone should succeed and receive the same chances and representation. no one person has special privileges. This philosophy is still evident today, some would say its the american way. Equality is the key to sustaining a lively country. This key opens the door to freedom, liberty, and prosperity in this great nation.

Jefferson represents the people, which is why he favored a strong State Government and a weak National Government. He prefers a more Democratic government, he believed in a "Wise and frugal Government which shall restrain men from injuring one another". To influence Central Government he reduced government employees and lowered National Debts. Interpreting the constitution strictly, Thomas Jefferson runs the country for the people

Side: Thomas Jefferson
Hunteray09(6) Disputed
1 point

While I side with Hamilton, I do believe in the value of hard work and find Hamilton's belief in well born and rich only to be limiting.

A little more information of how Jefferson impacted this country would have helped.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

“The nation will find it very hard to look up to the leaders who are keeping their ears to the ground.”-Sir Winston Churchill. Alexander Hamilton had great visions, but did he ask the people? Thomas Jefferson focused on equality for everyone, and surrounded himself with all kinds of people.

Generosity was top priority for Thomas Jefferson. He tried to help everyone he could, and would sacrifice so much for the greater good of others, like most people in society today.. Alexander wasn't even close to the current ideals in society. Of course, everyone can get road rage and be unruly, but we end up all fair to each other. Hamilton despised the less fortunate; even though, keep in mind, he was poor at a time as well. So, who was the more generous one?

The freedoms we have today are because of good old Thomas Jefferson. When he wrote the Declaration of Independence, he wanted everybody to have equal and ideal rights. What did Hamilton want? A government modeled after Britain that gave no power to the states which would end up having no say! Think about it, if Hamilton got his way, he could have taken our power just like Britain (which is why we fought back)!

Thomas Jefferson doubled our blooming country’s size from one of the world’s most powerful governments, not to mention for very cheap. You don’t hear about Hamilton’s achievements for America’s government while he was president. In my opinion, all he had were ideas that other people adopted.

Hamilton wanted to bend America’s rights and rules with a broad interpretation of the Constitution! Jefferson actually led using what the ink on the paper by a strict interpretation to be clear with the people he would eventually rule. Hamilton thought things were “close enough”. My vote goes to Jefferson, and so should yours.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

I agree Zach that although Hamilton may have better ideas as far as the economy, Jefferson did leave a better impact

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

i agree with you on how thomas jefferson thought of everyone as equal no matter who they were.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

Zach, I agree that Jefferson left a bigger impact on our nation, and I really liked your quote at the beginning of your introduction.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

Though it was difficult to make a decision, I decided on Jefferson. Jefferson had better views on human rights, type of government, and voting restrictions. Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, two very important documents to our country. He set up our unalienable rights.

Jefferson believed that the standards for voting should be lowered, such as letting blacks and women vote. Where Hamilton thought that the voting standards should be raised, so that only rich, property owning men could vote, even though he himself came from a poverty stricken home.

Jefferson believed that we had unalienable rights, such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press etc. Thomas Jefferson also introduced the idea that all men are created equal no matter their race, gender, or social standing. Alexander Hamilton thought that some of the amendments in the Bill of Rights were unnecessary.

Although, Jefferson didn't think a president was a good idea, because he believed it would lead to monarchy. He believed in a more democratic form of government. Hamilton wanted a a British form of government, however, the main reason for the American Revolution, was to be free from monarchs.

Jefferson also had an amazing quality, which was not letting his political views get in the way of doing what was best for the country. This was proven during his presidency, when he orchestrated the Louisiana Purchase, which doubled the size of America. He believed in a strict interpretation of the constitution; however, it had no provision for the federal government to purchase land, but Jefferson knew the Louisiana Purchase was best for the country.

Thomas Jefferson favored a strong state government, and he wanted the three branches of government we have today. He believed in the separation of church and state, as well as freedom of religion.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
CarrieL(10) Disputed
2 points

For one, remember Jefferson wouldn't have been able to make the Louisiana Purchase without the creation of a National Debt, one of Hamilton's creations and I'm pretty sure Jefferson stood up for the rights of all men, not women. Unfortunately at this time there weren't any voices speaking up for gender equality.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
Jayceeq(4) Disputed
2 points

Carrie, although I agree with your argument, I also feel the need to point out that at the time, Jefferson's equal rights were for all white men, Hamilton's' were for all educated, property owning white men.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

i also think Jefferson's ideas of human rights and equality was important for America.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
Claire_W(4) Disputed
1 point

I don't agree with the fact that Jefferson wanted equality for all races. He didn't live by these standards. Jefferson owned slaves that he didn't treat very well.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I agree that Jefferson had a better insight on human rights.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
Hunteray09(6) Disputed
1 point

You say that Thomas Jefferson believed that all men are equal. While this may have been true, if we were going by what he declared himself, this statement is highly hypocritical. If he supported freedom of slaves, and the abolition of slavery, then why did he own hundreds himself?

Of course, from certain aspects it may be understandable that he lived in the South where work was needed, but if he wants support on his beliefs he must also practice them as well.

However, I do believe in Jefferson's resolution in freedom of speech, religion, and unalienable rights.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

Thomas Jefferson is a perfect match for America, he was a wealthy caring man. America is what it is now because of him he came from a wealthy family but he was always respectful to everybody no matter their color or money situation. He always stood up for his people he shaped America to what it is now. The opinion of everybody always mattered to him, he did not support racism, slavery, discrimination, etc. He is the written of the Declaration of Independence and religious freedom. The way he thought was always based on agriculture he wanted to have a natural, nature like life he cared about growing crops and distrusted special privilege. He did not support any part of the constitution he wanted a weak central government and a strong state government like a democratic government. He thought everybody was equal and always thought about the people in his country first and wanted to lower the voting qualifications. He always wanted to reduce the number of federal employees. He favored a strict interpretation of constitution and believed individual liberties must be protected by laws. And last he was a very responsible man because he thought of eliminating internal taxes and paying off national debts. That's why Thomas Jefferson is a great match with America.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

Who had the more enduring vision of United States, Thomas Jefferson or Alexander Hamilton? I believe that Thomas Jefferson left a better vision of the U.S. rather than Hamilton. Jefferson believed that individual rights needed to be protected by laws, that our government needs to be democratic, and that more people should be eligible to vote. I agree with all three of these statements.

Individual rights were very important to Jefferson. He believed that your rights should be protected by laws because it was something this country was born from. If we didn't have individual rights that protected our voice or our opinion, then the people wouldn't be able to assemble in most cases, we wouldn't be able to practice their religion, print anything offensive against any leader, or speak out against any law. Without these things, our society wouldn't be able to function well. Since we have these rights, our lives have been much better than a life with no rights. Today we use these rights to practice any religion, print news about our government, have whistle blowers and assemble in public meetings. This impact that Thomas Jefferson made helped affect our country.

Jefferson also believed in a strong democratic government. A democratic government is a government where the people choose their leaders. On the other hand, Alexander Hamilton believed we should have a government based of the British system. If we had the same Government as the British it might lead to unfair taxes like it did before, this why I agree with Jefferson. The British Government at the time wasn't the best type of Government; the central government was too strong. America wanted a government where the people had the power. When they were colonies, they had no say in their government. This reasoning makes me pick Jefferson’s way of government rather than Hamilton. Today, many other countries base their governments off of us. That’s how much of an influence our system of government was to the world and Jefferson supported it.

Making more people eligible to vote was another thing that Jefferson wanted to do. At the time, only white land owning men were allowed to vote. What about the other people? In the U.S. presidential election of 1789 the amount of people that voted in the state was very small compared to the state population. In Delaware, out of a population of 59,000 people only 2,059 ballots were cast. This means that only 3% of the population voted. This data shows barely anyone voted and there should be at least the majority of the U.S eligible to vote. If the government wanted a better turn out of people then more people should be eligible to vote. Today the U.S Government lets any U.S citizen (of the proper age) vote which is the most of the people. Raising the voting standard, like what Hamilton wanted, would only make the numbers of the people that actually voted go down. All of these reasons make me support Jefferson’s approach to voting standards.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

Declarationontributionstions their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate." Thomas Jefferson.

Jefferson was a brilliant , yet soft spoken man, notorious for his gifted writing skills. When faced with the fate of American,he made some significant decisions that changed the way we regarded our miraculous nation. Thomas Jefferson had a very compelling vision for America and certainly impacted the way America is seen today. His beliefs on a democratic government, supporting the protections of individual rights; fathering the Declaration of Independence , and his other contributions  to America are what make him a likelier suite for the young nation rather than any other candidate.

Establishing a democratic government involved allowing all  others to have a say in how they were governed. Jefferson supported this , as it did not restrict having a voice in the government to only a certain class, primarily the wealthy land owners. In his mind, every man is created equally , as dictated in the Declaration of  Independence. They shall all be granted freedoms and rights of the same degree, know as unalienable rights.  The right to love life and the pursuit of happiness are among them. Jefferson proposed a fair and just government, swiftly allowing any man of any class to voice their opinion. Such fervent beliefs of government reflect on Jefferson as a person. He was born into a wealthy family of the highest class, and did not allow his back round to cloud his judgment nor define him. He stood firm in his thoughts of equality and guaranteed freedoms to any man by supporting a democratic government. Jefferson also openly displayed trust among American citizens, by allowing the people to govern themselves, it shows that he sincerely trusts them to uphold a government in which they can take pride in, and claim everyone is pleased with. As it is the case with most political leaders, trust is evident; however most mutual citizens , whichever party they extend their beliefs to gain trust for their desired candidate; trust to govern accordingly with similar beliefs. It is very rarely though does the political leader share this same feeling of trust. This is why candidate, Thomas Jefferson would be the most successful as a potential  suite for the young nation rather than any other candidate. Citizens in favor of Jefferson trust him to maintain their simple rights and freedoms, and in return, he trusts citizens, to have a capital judgment, and to lead a successful government. When trust becomes mutual, favorable results, especially in a political sys rem, flourish. 

During the time of ratification of the Constitution, the two candidates for America, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, joined separate parties. Jefferson's beliefs favored the anti-federalists, or those who opposed ratification of the Constitution, while Hamilton joined the opposite. Jefferson feared that by ratifying the Constitution, individual rights and liberties may have been taken away. He was especially wary, as there was no sort of protection of these rights mentioned in the Constitution. Jefferson absolutely refused to support it until actions were taken to secure the personal rights and liberties  of American citizens. In 1791, the American Bill of Rights, inspired by Thomasa Jefferson, and drafted by James Madison, was adopted. Jefferson worked diligently to secure the rights of American citizens, something taken for granted daily. By requesting the Bill of Rights, he ensured that no power could be taken from those who should govern America, the people. Jefferson himself said, "A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth, general or particular, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference." 

America, viewed by modern society, is considered to be quite diverse  with a multitude of different cultures, ethnicities, and religions. This is partly due to Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson introduced the idea of religious freedom by drafting the Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom of 1779. He firmly believed in allowing American citizens the opportunity to decide upon their own religious faith. He considered this a right to which should be applied to all citizens of America. Jefferson created for himself a lasting impact on American culture today through the administration of religious freedom. This opportunity increased the diversity of our country. He felt that religion and state should be kept separate for the benefit of a successful country, which would later be pr oven accurate. 

Thomas Jefferson accomplished many things in life, such as  writing the Declaration of Independence. This document is what created America by formally announcing our separation from Great Britain. This document is one of the most famous in American history and was vital to our success Asa growing indecent nation. The Declaration incorporates the way Americans regard themselves, as does outline many other areas of significance. The document not only signifies the pride of finally being able to accomplish a nation of Independence, but also serves as an expression of American identity. That document dictates who we are, as proud and free Americans. The Constitution, what we continue to govern ourselves with today, embodies certain aspects

 And principles of the Declaration of Independence. Our entire form of government contains small inferences of the Declaration. Without it, America would not be the powerful nation it has evolved into oveJefferson'ss with Jeffersons help. He outlined the fundamental rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is through this document that the equality of man is evident. With that simple line alone, any individual person  now has the opportunities available to any other. This man of brilliant nature created one of the most influential documents in history. In one document, he outlined anup mostained with upmost importance and detail, what Americans stand for, why we reside as a dignified and independent nation, the basic rights and freedoms guaranteed to all American citizens, and so much more. It seems only right to claim that the man with the most enduring vision for America, is the one who created it, through writing and mind, and defended it with heart and soul. It was through his words written in the ink of his hand, that all Americans are proud and free. We operate as more than a whole, perfectly free from any tyrant who deems it fit to strip away our liberties, and crush our spirits.

    When America comes to mind, not only do we think of it as a noble, distinguished nation, but also a powerful and expansive country. We also have Jefferson to thank for this. Through means of the Louisiana Purchase, he nearly doubled the size of America with a deal among the French leader Napoleon Bonaparte for once the price of 15 million dollars, Jefferson gained a respectable piece of land containing the future states of Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, and Montana. Some might argue that this was done in unconstitutional ways due to the fact that buying such a large sum of land was not written anywhere in the Constitution. This can be easily overcome as the effects of purchasing the land were splendid. This deal doubled the size of America, allowed trade to flourish, and made the nation stronger and more prosperous as a whole. When faced with a difficult decision, Jefferson did what he thought was best for America, and it definitely paid off. Settlers had new opportunities to create a new life and contributed to the success of our country.

  Because Thomas Jefferson was born into a wealthy family, you would expect his actions and beliefs to reflect on this; however this was not the case. Jefferson craved equality in this new nation.  He stood for a democratic government in which all people, regardless of class, had a say in the way they were governed. He did not allow his past or his background determine his future. Jefferson grew to gain his own theories and beliefs, which reflected only on himself as person, not where he came from. He thought to include everfavored greatly favoured equality  amongst American citizens. With a democratic government, he believed the people had the ability to make the right choices if they became aware. He established mutual trust with all of those who believed in him to lead a successful country. They trusted him to keep their rights, and liberties, and he trusted them to prosper with their own voices in the government. Trust is something that is not typically found in politics , but it has arrived in the form of Thomas Jefferson. He supported the protection of individual rights, and fought until some sort of actions were taken, and invested into the constitution. He is responsible for the diversity of America, beginning religiously with his drafting of the Virginia act for establishing religious freedom. He believed in choice and opportunity. He proclaimed the identity of America when he wrote the Declaration of Independence. Jefferson was at the country's side even when it first formed. He authored its birth certificate, while outlining American expression in the process. The Declaration of Independence is how we, as Americans think of ourselves, and to think that this exceptional man helped begin such an idea, is outstanding. He doubled the size of the country which in turn allowed the economy flourish, as well as provide new opportunities of life for settlers. Thomas Jefferson is the reason America prospered into a large respectable nation. He stood by the side of the people and defended us with everything he had. All the while, Jefferson never once forgot where he came from, but he did not let it dictate his life either. Thomas Jefferson, founding father, author of the Declaration of Independence, founder of the University of Virginia, and third president of the United States, discovered balance. He stood by America from infancy, when it first broke away from Britain, is standing by it now, with is lasting effect on the country, and will forever be by its side. The United StatJefferson'sica is Jeffersons country, and although scarred, is still, and forever be going strong.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

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Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

Thomas Jefferson is the right match for America. He believes in equality and he prefers a Democratic government. Alexander Hamilton believes the wealthy should Rule and Hamilton also wants a government based on The British.

Jefferson wants to launch a democratic government, and that is what we are trying to do. Hamilton wants the wealthy people to control the country, he favors a strong central government. Jefferson favors a weak central government and a strong state government which is what we have today in America.

Hamilton wants to establish and support a national bank. If the farmers get loans for their farms and then they aren't able to pay them back, then their is a good chance they could go into debt. Jefferson does not want to support a national bank, so we will have less chance to go into debt. Jefferson wants to eliminate all national debt and Hamilton wants to use debt to establish credit.

Jefferson believes in equality and he believes everyone should get to vote. Jefferson has deep faith in farmers to help keep the economy going. Hamilton believes common people (such as farmers) act foolish and the rich and wealthy should run the country. Hamilton wants to raise the voting qualifications! Thats why Thomas Jefferson is better for the United States of America.

Kaitlin Brooks 5th period

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

i loved that you mentioned both sides. i completely agree with you.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

I support Thomas Jefferson and his visions of the United States. He was a man of peace and wanted the world to live that way. I believe that he is the perfect match for The United States.

Thomas Jefferson believed that the people of the world shouldn't be labeled by the clothes they wear or the jobs they have. Two different people can be so alike in many ways. He wanted all people, including slaves, to be equal. All created evenly. Jefferson trusted the people of America and valued their opinions. He wanted to lower the voting qualifications so everyone could have an equal vote on their choices.

Another example of him being a true leader of America was that he preferred a more Democratic Government. In his eyes he saw a society where people have a say in what goes on. While Alexander Hamilton believed in making the American Government modeled on the British system. It might be an excellent system for him but, for Jefferson it wasn't. America and the British went through a huge war so why should we model our Government after them when they despised us for wanting our freedom.

Finally, Thomas Jefferson believed that individual rights have to be protected by the laws. He wanted every citizen to be protected by their Bill Of Rights since that's the reason they were made in the first place. Why would you create a Bill Of Rights if the people can't be protected by them? Everyone is their own person and multiple choices in many situations. I imagine Thomas Jefferson being the best pick for The Untied States.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

The dispute between Hamilton, and Jefferson on who left the more enduring image was a very tough decision. They were almost complete opposites on their views and morals. Hamilton came from a poor family and grew up to not tolerate with the “the little man.” In politics he was a businessman and cared for power and the economy. On the other side Jefferson grew up wealthy but he was taught to care for “the little man.” In politics he was all about equality and agriculture.

Jefferson, thinking of the people of this country and trusting the actions of the people, has the most enduring vision in my opinion. They may be led astray for a moment, but will soon correct themselves, illustrates how Jefferson believed the government should solely be based on the people of America. Jefferson felt that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness were to be given to every man, and this vision of Jefferson is still alive and prospering in today’s society. Today’s society is reflected in Jefferson’s ideas by having rights and freedom for every American citizen. It helped guide everyone through tough times in the past, present, and future.

He said some of the most inspiring and everlasting words that no man will ever forget…”All men are created equal.” Those five words helped build the US not only in the Constitution but in the political system as a whole. Having Jefferson giving his insight on what the citizens of America should have and the strict overbearing opinions of Hamilton helped equal out the ideas of the US political system. Hamilton wanted to focus more on what would be a good way to make America a world power, and Jefferson as stated above wanted to focus more on the people. The debate between Hamilton and Jefferson helped form the political system because we all have to have some structure in the government which is what Hamilton brought to the table, and we all have to have a sense of freedom which is what Jefferson brought. Both men had good ideas, but Jefferson’s visions are more of what America’s society is based upon today.

In the end in my mind neither Jefferson or, Hamilton were perfect on their views. Ones morals were that there should be a strong National government and economy. He didn't focus on freedom or the “little man” unlike Jeffy. Thomas Jefferson had his morals set as a child. Although he had a wealthy childhood his parents taught him well. They taught him just because he was wealthy didn't mean he was better than others, and to always respect even the “little man.” He would then bring those morals to our constitution today, and that is why I chose Jeffy for the topic.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
AndrewW(2) Disputed
1 point

Jefferson believed that all men were created equal, but that was almost hypocritical because he owned many slaves.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

Gorman

7th period

1/12/14

Who do you think left a more enduring vision on America? Both Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson are great American visionaries but Thomas Jefferson left a more enduring vision of America.

Alexander Hamilton supported the constitution, which is good because the constitution supports the citizens' individual rights. Also, he wanted people to have equal rights. I agree with that because I belive that all poeple no matter what she get the same opportunities as everyone else. This is important for a civilized society. Most importantly, he wanted people to be in contact with England because England had similar policies and ideas as Hamilton. I strongly disagree with that as a condition of an enduring American vision because the people who moved to America, moved there to get away from England's harsh policies.

Thomas Jefferson was the father of the University of Virginia. He was very proud to have that label because he believed education improved society and the people in it. Also, he wanted religious freedom and for people who disagreed with that he wanted them to keep their opinions to themselves. Which is really good because if people always voiced their opinions, there would be a lot of conflict. Most of all, he wanted the government to protect the citizens unalieble rights because he felt so strongly about their freedoms. I strongly agree with that statement because I think it is very important to have a government that protects the rights of its citizens.

Thomas Jefferson left the most enduring vision of American because he believed in citizens' rights. He also believed that education was important to an improved society. He thought that the thirteen colonies should have the right of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Furthermore, he wanted strong state governments because he thought having strong state governments would help bring the colonies together as one.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

In this case, I would go with Thomas Jefferson. He heavily supported that all men were created equal, as he wrote in the constitution. Hamilton was a money man, he forgot his roots. All Hamilton would have done is make America have an even larger debt and made our economic problems even worse. Jefferson stood by the constitution while Hamilton would have made it just another paper. Thomas wanted a Democratic government, and Hamilton wanted something like the British system, which america broke away from.

They both had different beginnings, but ended on the same path. Jefferson came from a wealthy family, who gave him a proper education and career. But, he never was stuck up. He always believed in individual rights and equality.He did not believe in people having special privileges, he only cared if they were a US citizen, black or white. He stood by this all the way to writing the constitution, he even wrote that all men were created equal and had inalienable rights. So, we can easily say that Jefferson would be liked by the common man because he supported them, unlike Hamilton who supported the rich and forgot the poor.

Besides supporting individual rights, Jefferson supported a Democratic government while Hamilton supported the British system. It really is not a surprise that he would be in support of a Democratic government because he believed in power to the people. In a democratic government, the people vote for their leaders. If we had the British system, we might have done the same that they did to us. We could have ended up with the same problems Britain had with us. I am sure that the American people would have not been in support of rewriting that section of history. With the Democratic government, power is more spread out, there is no main central power like in the British system. Now, America has been a role model to many other countries, so I can say that Jefferson ended up doing a good job.

Jefferson, overall, had been for the better of America. Some of the things he did still go into play today. Equality is still being fought for, we have a Democratic government, and we still stand by the constitution. Sure we have a debt, but imagine how large it would be if Hamilton went into office, we would be in trouble. So, Jefferson would defiantly be the better choice for America, just look how happy the two ended up being. The looked so great together.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

In my opinion i believe that Thomas Jefferson is best solution for a better America mostly because of his beliefs in equality and and he really did believe in the people. Without Thomas Jefferson you wouldn't really have the right of freedom of speech or right of religious freedom. He was raised in a very well and mature nature and learned that rich or poor you should always treat people with the same respects and the same rights. He believed that the people should be in charge of themselves, and with those beliefs he supported a democratic government. His idea behind individual rights was smart because without individual rights we as people wouldn't be able to speak out against any law, wouldn't be able to practice their own religion and it would just be a complete mess. He believed that the state government should have power over their own people, although he still supported the Constitution. All he wanted was a bill of rights. He favored a strict interpretation of constitution and believed individual liberties must be protected by laws. I believe that Jefferson left an everlasting impact on America because he was an ingenious man who believed in lowering the voting qualifications, protecting America's individual rights, and helping the French win their war against the British. That is why i believe Thomas Jefferson would be the perfect match for America.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I liked how you added the part where Thomas Jefferson helped the French in their war against the British.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

When thinking of America some think of Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton. They both had very strong rolls to building up America, but Jefferson had a much more stronger vision of America than Hamilton. For the reasons of individual liberties, equality, and living by what America is defined as in the Declaration of Independence.

Jefferson belived in freedom,the right to do and say what you want. He thought, "why be ruled by someone and live by what they want and have to say.", which is what Hamilton wanted. He belived America should be modeled like a British system, he thought being ruled by somebody was the best way of life. As for Jefferson, he believed in a Democratic Government, he thought the people should rule or at least have a say in what decisions are being made for America. When living in a Democratic Government you have those individual liberties. The people of America wanted to be heard. Jefferson gave them that opportunity.

Both men grew up poorly, and both became very sucsessful, but only one of them didn't turn his back on the poor. That man was Thomas Jefferson. He believed no matter what your background, we are all humans. He believed you should never look at yourself as someone less than another. Jefferson is not the man to judge. He set an amazing tone on America, a tone of equality.

Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. He lived by it, and did nothing outside of what the document said. By doing that he led us to a country of freedom. Stated by Jefferson in the document he wrote "All men should have life, liberty and the presuit of happiness." He lived by that and today us Americans live by his words.

We live in Jeffersons vison today. His reasonings for this vision is why I chose Thomas Jefferson over Alexander Hamilton.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I like how you added a inspiring quote from Thomas Jefferson.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

Both, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, have contributed much to the United States, and both have strong admirable qualities and backgrounds. But when it comes down to this specific question, I believe Jefferson has left a more enduring vision. He had many important viewpoints that shaped the people and the nation while Hamilton cared more about the financial state of the nation and its economy. Jefferson had many important thoughts on equality and individual rights, significant writings in the Declaration of Independence, and a strong viewpoint on voting.

Jefferson’s actions within equality among men and individual rights is why we have ours today. He fought for equality, that everyone is the same, not categorized by knowledge or wealth, so the nation would be unified. No matter what their gender was, any disabilities or what they believe in, so everyone was equal. He also fought for the Bill of Rights, the amendments that specified the individual rights and powers of the people, something no one can take away. Our individual rights may not be as secure and protected today if it wasn’t for this Bill. Which is also why he pushed for a strict interpretation of the Constitution. So that the protection of these rights were enforced.

In the Declaration, Jefferson had written “All men are created equal,” as well as “All men should have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Although he may not have meant to do it, these statements have supported Jefferson’s idea on unalienable rights and lead to many acts to give people, like slaves, poor, and less educated people etc, more rights. But these statements are just a piece of the document and they have inspired and shaped the people who shape the nation. The document itself is the heart of the nation. Its strength defines the powers the people and government hold. Jefferson wrote it to showcase his beliefs in what a country should be and what its people should be as well.

Lastly, Jefferson wanted to lower the qualifications needed to vote. Instead of the votes of only the wealthy, which could be predictable and uncertain, he wanted to allow all the minds to vote. This could make the decision more precise because there are more votes, and there are different reasons behind the decision. Wealthy just worry about their money, and who would be the best with the economy. The lower classes wouldn’t need to worry about that as much as different issues.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
CaseyS(4) Disputed
1 point

Although I mostly agree with Jefferson's notion for low voting standards, it can also unfairly tip the voting scale because (wow I'm really really trying to not sound mean), some lower class people do not try to work, and vote for presidents because they are promised free things taken from hard working rich people. Voting in favor of high taxes on wealthier people to "even it out" is selfish and lazy. I've interpreted Jefferson's all men are equal as all men have equal opportunity. Although this is not part of our current system, I feel that voters should be represented by some sort of job, spouse, or offspring.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
Savannahmc(4) Disputed
1 point

I like your point of view and how you described it but I disagree since I chose Hamilton.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

Who had a more enduring vision of the United States Thomas Jefferson or Alexander Hamilton? In my opinion, the best choice is Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jeffeson's involvement in drafting the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights speaks for itself. Jefferson's belief that everyone was created equal and in one's right to pursue life, library and happiness are signifcant factors in influencing my choice. Jefferson actually favored a strict interpretation of the Constitution. His strong belief in freedom of speech and the press support my position as well.

Thomas Jefferson was wealthy, however he saw things from a common person's point of view. He believed in somewhat of a balanced system of government. He wanted States to have significant powers. He distrusted the wealthy and did not want the wealthy to have special privileges. He envisioned the States uniting into one State.

Jefferson was also a strong supporter of agriculture. Hamilton's vision of having a more diverse economy including manufacturing was more forward thinking than Jefferson's view, but Jefferson's supports of the farmer was an example of his belief in the common person's rights. Jefferson had great virtues. His vision of paying off the national debt and supporting international allies are positions that are supported by many now. Jefferson's support of the Louisiana Purchase helped doubled the size of the country. There was significant debt incurred but the reward far out weighed the burden.

In summary, Thomas Jefferson was not perfect but he had many strengths and is my choice as a visionary for the United States during the country's years.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

Although Alexander Hamilton was in favor of a balanced economy like we have today, I believe Thomas Jefferson had the more enduring view of the United States because he valued individual liberties and thought that they should be protected by laws. He also wanted to include all people in governing the nation, not just the wealthy. This is exactly like how our government is today.

First I want to talk about the fact that he valued individual liberties. He believed that individual liberties MUST be protected by laws, rather than what Alexander Hamilton thought which was that they should be sometime restricted. But in our society today our individual liberties ARE protected by laws. We first saw this with the Bill of Rights. Thomas Jefferson was opposed to the Constitution at first because it did not have a Bill of Rights (and it didn't have a term limit for the President) so he made sure these things were fixed for the good of the people and these things are still in affect today.

Thomas Jefferson also believed in a more democratic government rather than one like the British system (Hamilton's view). Jefferson also wanted to lower the voting qualifications (like giving women the right to vote) this is so that the common people could help govern the nation, not just the wealthy, these views became exactly like what we have today.

For these reasons, I believe that Thomas Jefferson had the more enduring vision of the United States.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

Thomas Jefferson is the best match for America in my opinion for many ways. He believed that individual liberties must be protected by laws and everyone was equal. Also he was able to put his republican philosophy aside. Last but not least he wanted to lower the voting qualifications. These are all reasons I think Thomas Jefferson would be the best match for America.

Jefferson strongly believed that people deserved individual liberties. This is a good attribute in the leader of America because everyone needs their liberties. Hamilton thought that liberties such as freedom of speech should be restricted. I feel that people should be able to say what they want when they want. Thomas Jefferson also believed in equality and that everyone was equal.

Also Thomas Jefferson was able to put his republican philosophy aside to acquire the Louisiana Purchase. This was one of his greatest achievements and left one of the biggest impacts in American history. Hamilton had little impact in my opinion; Jefferson had many other great achievements like writing the deceleration of independence and creating the separation between church and state.

Lastly Thomas Jefferson wanted to lower the voting qualifications. I agree with this because I feel that every human has the right to vote for who controls them. Hamilton felt that he needed to raise the voting qualifications. That means that even a less amount of people would be able to vote. Jefferson had strong beliefs and I think that his beliefs and views were very compatible with America.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

Gorman Period 6

Many people have had lasting impacts on America, but none more so than Thomas Jefferson. I may not entirely agree with all of his views, but his positive attributes far outweigh the negatives. He was an amazing man who worked hard for his country using his incredible gift in writing to inspire many, regardless of race or color. Without Thomas Jefferson's vision for America, we would not be the country we are today.

One of the only misgivings people may have about Thomas Jefferson is his economic plan for America. He preferred just farming over a variety of trades to support the economy, over Hamilton's plan to include manufacturing, finance, and trade along with agriculture. For the dispute over the bank, I just compromised, because I'm not really for or against setting up a bank. Banks are helpful in the sense of storing money, but banks also provide a means to gain debt. On the subject of debt, I am most definitely for paying off the national debt, because then our economy wouldn't take regular nosedives (as shown by the Dow and NASDAQ stock markets). On the other hand, eliminating all internal taxes could potentially cause problems with stores not gaining a large enough profit margin. I just cannot see myself as a Hamilton supporter on this subject because credit builds up over time, and our country is in bad enough debt already (again, as shown by the Dow and NASDAQ, which are at all time lows).

Thomas Jefferson may have been born with everything guaranteed to be provided, but he did not forget the common people of America, unlike Alexander Hamilton. Wealth is no guarantee of virtue, and neither is being educated. Even the smartest people in the world make mistakes, so the common people should have their say too. The worst they can do is make the same mistake that the smartest people make. We have lowered the voting qualifications, which means we are staying towards the vision Thomas Jefferson had, and not the future Alexander Hamilton had in mind.

Now on the most disputed topic of that time period, the type of government that should be implemented. To me, its clear that Jefferson's vision had a more lasting impression than Hamilton's. Both visions ended up in a compromise on the subject of a strong central government vs. a weak one, because the powers between the Federal government and the state government tend to balance each other out, so neither vision could really take a firm hold there. The rest of the government we have today is very largely influenced by Jefferson's vision. Thomas Jefferson favored a democratic government, which is the system we are currently under. I'd say that qualifies as an enduring vision. Alexander Hamilton wanted the American government to be based off of the British system, in other words, a monarchy. Thomas Jefferson does not impress me in one section because he wanted to reduce the number of Federal employees, and to be honest, while some sections (congressmen) could use a cut in the number of employees, other sections (national parks) could use more employees. Since I believe that rules are made to be followed, I favor a strict interpretation over a loose one. Unfortunately, there is no data on how the Constitution is interpreted, so I will have to leave this one at opinion.

The final imprint, and perhaps the most lasting imprint, in my opinion, was Thomas Jefferson's views on liberty. He believed that individual liberties must be protected by law. If you think for one second that the liberties listed in the Bill of Rights were not there we would still have our rights, you need to look at the real world a little more, because liberties that are not protected are not provided in so many counties around the world. True, he owned slaves, but his words on the subject of liberty have been used as rallying points in the past and now for abolitionists and protestors alike.

There is no doubt in my mind that Thomas Jefferson left the more enduring vision on America. From his views on liberty to his implementation of our democratic government that still governs us today to the simple fact that he wrote the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson is one of our greatest founding fathers, and regardless of who left a more lasting impression on America, will always be remembered in our history, and hopefully the same to Alexander Hamilton.

Side note to the Hamilton supporters in 6th period: I will not lose until I quit.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

Between Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson, in my opinion, Jefferson was a better candidate. Although it was a hard decision, Jefferson had better beliefs in individual liberties, voting restrictions, and the way of government.

Thomas Jefferson was a big supporter of individual rights. As the author of the Declaration of Independence, he made sure we had the Fundamental Right to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” He believed that no matter what you were born into, everyone is equal. Coming from a rich family who taught him not to discriminate, he believed that the people should run the new country, whether you’re rich, poor, black, or white. Jefferson wanted a strict understanding of the constitution. Hamilton wanted to have restrictions on some unalienable rights. Jefferson also didn’t have special privileges. This meant he didn’t give the rich more power or the poor less power than others.

Another area Thomas Jefferson thrived in was lowering voting restrictions. Opening voting to other people would allow more of a democratic way of government. Thomas Jefferson trusted more of what the lower class thought and didn’t think they acted foolishly. Jefferson also supported the French in the war, which was a very smart idea. By helping the French they could gain other allies to help the U.S. One of Jefferson’s best decisions was to buy Louisiana. This allowed America to become bigger and have new land. All these tactics helped America become the great country it is now. Thomas Jefferson is a match for America!

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I think Jefferson made a more enduring vision because the things he did were better than Hamilton's. He wanted to use the Bill Of Rights and intended on it which Hamilton did not. He also purchased the Louisiana territory which made us America today. He believed the Bill Of Rights also protected the people of the U.S. which i agree my opinion on. Hamilton did things i think personally would not have been good for the U.S. He wanted to fix the economy and wanted credit to make things. if he did that, the economy would fall into a depression and the U.S. debt would be serious. He also wanted a unified country to. He also wanted to lose the interpretation of the constitution as well which in my opinion i think is bad. Jefferson on the other hand, hated banks and supported the constitution. He also wanted religious freedom and he was also against taxation. He also sent the Lewis and Clark expedition which helped America a lot. This is why i think Jefferson left a more enduring vision in the eyes of America.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I believe that Thomas Jefferson left a more enduring future for America rather than Alexander Hamilton because of his government plan, social standers and his achievements.

Jefferson was very involved with the common people's lives. He wanted everyone to be able to vote for what they want and Hamilton wanted to raise the voting qualifications so that only very few could vote. He also believed that farmers were very important to the economy. Rights were very important for the people to have; Jefferson was the person who influenced James Madison to add the bill of rights to the constitution.

Jefferson wanted a democratic government and with a weaker central government and a stronger state government. While Hamilton wanted a stronger federal government and he wanted to model America's government like the British system. Thomas Jefferson wanted a strong interpretation on the constitution.

Jefferson was the writer on the Declaration of Independence. He also bought the Louisiana purchase from France which made America larger and opened up many opportunities. He left America with two ideas, freedom of religion and separation from church and state. Also he sent Louis and Clark on their expedition and that opened up trade routes and scientist discovered many plants and medicine opportunities.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I think Jefferson left a enduring vision on america because he had a deep faith in the people who where farmers which is better them Hamiltion becauase he wanted the rich to run the country. Being/ coming from a rich family doesnt mean you cant do what. Jefferaon also wanted to lower the voting qualifications which is good because that means every one can vote, unliked Hamiltion who wants tonraise it to where itbwoukd be harder to vote for some people. Granted Jefferson wanted a week government which is okay but not the best at times but its better then what Hamiltion wanted he wanted the rich to help run. Jefferson wanted a Democratic government so people would be abke to vote who they wanted to be President, un like Hamilton wanted a rulerbto be slected and until they passed away or something a newnone would be elected or one would be elected from the family. The only that i would change about Jefferson is that we do need banks for the farmers to be able to buy land, and that is what Hamilton wantes. Jefferson wants to go by the Consitition and that can be good and sometimes bad too, and with Hamilton we have the bill of rights to protect people if needed. Jefferson belives that we as people should have individual laws which is good because if anything happens to us we have the law as a back up. Granted freedom speech should sometimes be restricted because people should think before they speak, but freedom of speechis a part of the Bill of Rights. I think Jefferson left a enduring vision on america because he inspired furture generations, favored the consitiution.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

In the world we live in today is very different then it was a long time ago. And along time ago there where to very important people. There was Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton. They where candidates that wanted the best for the country.

Thomas J. wanted a bill of rights that was very important for him and for others. Thomas also told Madison about the bill of rights and then Madison made a proposal for the Bill Of Rights in 1791. One thing that Thomas wrote was that every man is created equal. He also made a Louisiana purchase. He had faith in common people and farmers unlike Hamilton that only wanted the rich and educated people. Thomas also wanted to lower the qualifications on voting so common people can vote. He also wanted for the individuals to be protected by laws.

In the other had Alexander was very different that T.J. He made very good accomplishments by the age of 26. He went on and wrote the Federation Papers. He also was in favor of a Strong Virginian Government. He wanted to increase the number of Federal employees. Alexander wanted for individuals liberties such as freedom of speech should sometimes be restricted. That means that people would not be able to say what they want to say. He also wanted for America to support the British against the French. But the French where our alies.

Over all I think the best candidate for this is Thomas Jefferson because he wants the best and this will be accomplished by all the things he wants. To expand everything to common people not just rich.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

Drina Christensen

5th period Gorman

I chose Thomas Jefferson because though he may have not have lived by his writings his ideas referring to the future of the united states helped use grow.

The Bill of Rights is the first ten amendments to the constitution that brings us the rights that we have today, as we all know, but what you may not know or acknowledge is that Jefferson demanded for The Bill of Rights to be added to the constitution. When Jefferson wrote the Deceleration of Independence, it wasn't required to mention that all men were created equally and have unalienable rights that they hold as a human. you should thank Jefferson for the rights that you have today.

Jefferson had many views regarding the future of our nation like that the government should be split up into 3 branches like we have today. He also believed that the president should have term limits. We may all be aware of the Lewis and Clark expedition, this expedition helped us settle in the new land that was bought by Jefferson. Now you may be thinking what does this have to do with Jefferson, well at this time Jefferson was the president of the U.S. and sent Lewis and Clark on this journey.

Over all I think that Thomas Jefferson had a better vision on the structure of the government though Hamilton had better insight on the economy i feel that even if our country had great economy we would still fall under war without the structure of the government that Jefferson in visioned. This is why my vote goes to Thomas Jefferson!

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

Thomas Jefferson would be a match for America because he wanted a democratic government, lower voting qualifications and wanted to eliminate internal taxes and to pay off war debts. Jefferson had some things that America did not agree with but overall would be a better match then Alexander Hamilton.

Thomas Jefferson favored a democratic government which is also the government that America saw in it's future. America felt that a strong democratic government was exactly what this young nation needed to get on it's feet. Hamilton favored a government based off of Britain. Even though Jefferson would've liked a weak central government America found a balance between a state government and a central government.

Jefferson also wanted to lower voting qualifications. Jefferson felt that every one should have a Voice in who runs the country. He wanted more people like women and African Americans to have more of a voice. America felt that they should have more of voice but that there should also be some restrictions to how far and what they have a voice in. In the long run this will create a little less arguments between men, women and Africans about equality.

Thomas Jefferson believed in a debt free nation. He wanted to eliminate internal taxes in the states and he wanted to pay of any U.S debt. He did not believe in taxing the farmers and citizens on things that they may grow or build. He wanted to pay off the war debt from the war with Britain. He wanted to get rid of the debt instead of it building up and coming back to haunt America in the future. Hamilton believed that debt would create good credit for the future America.He felt that having a debt would create problems in the near future.

Jefferson wanted no more debt or internal taxes, lower voting qualifications for more equality and he wanted a democratic government. There are so many other things that Jefferson had that were qualities that America wanted but this are just some. This is why Thomas Jefferson would be a great match for the future America.

Side: Thomas Jefferson

i like how you pointed out his negatives but said how he still had a better impact on America

Side: Thomas Jefferson
12 points

When you look at the United States, we are very developed, very diverse economy wise, and very powerful due to these facts. According to the Human Development Index, (HDI), which is a statistic board that ranks countries from very high to low depending on their average development, they include factors like economic welfare and population happiness, and overall the United States got in the top five on the list, ranking alongside countries like Australia and Norway. We got that high due to our impeccable economic standards, with one of the highest GDP’s in the world, and being one of the major importers and exporters of the 21st century. I believe the legacy created by Alexander Hamilton was a large part of our success. The ideas Alexander Hamilton represented, like his ideas of a balanced economy, and that educated men and women should take the positions in our government (judge, and legislator, and of course president), as well as the fact that he supported and endorsed American diversity through business and commerce, helped shape the diversity, and the freedom we have today.

Hamilton believed in a balanced economy, with every type of business being represented. The economy would depend on the combination of agriculture, trade, finance, and industrial production. This type of economy would be stable, and come with more benefits than the ideas of Mr. Jefferson, who wanted a total agricultural economy. If one of the branches of our economy was shut down, (say a bad growing season), and we couldn't bring in as much agriculture revenue, our economy would still remain intact due to the trade, finance, and manufacturing that the economy still depends on.He believed we couldn't have economy without inventive power of the human mind, which influenced the increased development of infrastructure in that time period. If what he was saying was true, then Jefferson's theory wouldn't have let us take advantage of that power as freely as we could have with Hamilton's ideas. With Hamilton's ideas we had room for progress, and the increased development of infrastructure. He believed progress included the development of urban areas that included all sorts of businesses, such as trade, agriculture, and manufacturing. All of this was necessary for the encouraged development of the economy, without progress in human innovation, there wouldn't be development in the economy. He summed this up as “productive powers of labor.” Without his ideas, and implementations in our economy, we might still be a solely agrarian society, without improvements or progress. So, Hamilton left a lasting impact on our economy by implementing his ideas of a well balanced economy.

Unless your government is respectable, foreigners will invade your rights; and to maintain tranquility you must be respectable; even to observe neutrality you must have a strong government.

Elliot's Debates, volume 1, p. 463. (1788-07-29)

The quote above was said by Hamilton at a debate over government in 1788. He was basically saying that if we did not have educated men and women running the country we would not be easily respected from the outside or the inside. It is easier to run and manage a country if the officials themselves actually understand what is going on. Hamilton understood this and was educated enough to comprehend the responsibilities that officials undergo. Being the first Secretary of Treasury, he was in a position where he understood how much intelligence and foresight that was needed in order to successfully manage a prosperous country such as the United States. Hamilton was able to see ahead and think of how much progress would happen, and that shaped his views for what we should do then as well. He knew we would need educated officials, he knew we would grow enough as a nation that we would still be at the point where we needed educated officials to help aid the United States and to help keep the citizens safe. With such educated men there would be opposing opinions, yes, that much was evident between Jefferson and Hamilton, but that was something inescapable. If we had ended up using Jefferson’s theories of total equality, letting a simple uneducated man become Chief Justice, or even President, there would be more arguments than there would have been with the educated men and women. Simply because you learn about what is going on in the country and how exactly to run such a large and powerful nation, through your education. Officials need education in order to have a confident idea on what needs to happen, in the meantime, the common man has a chance to put his/her ideas to the test by writing letters to their official or by voting. It is as easy as that, they still get a say, but if they didn't have the complete grasp of the situation the educated official is able to tweak it to where it works with all the law documents and make the common mans proposition a standing law proposition. That is what Hamilton wanted to achieve, and it works well enough to where every man is able to have a say, and we are still respected by outside viewers. Hamilton left a huge legacy in this form throughout our three branches of government.

Hamilton knew what his ideals for the American business standard were. They included manufacturing, and thought about the industrial age. However, they didn't just include one type of business, it included all types of people to help them all thrive in the next years of America. It included farmers, merchants, tradesmen, sailors, cobblers, politicians, and the men who worked in manufacturing. He knew that everyone was important in the success of America, and the conjoined unity of his economic plans helped support that thought, as well as make us look stronger in the face of other countries. We all worked together to create one of the biggest superpowers of this time, and I believe that is largely because of Alexander Hamilton. So, he may not have been as full on democratic equality as Thomas Jefferson, but he was for the economic freedom and diversity for everyone, and I believe that made a more lasting impact on America today.

When you first think of America, you may immediately think of Thomas Jefferson and the declaration of independence, but if you look more closely at the development of our nation, I am sure you will see that Alexander Hamilton is actually the backbone of how we run things today. And to use a quote from the debate we watched; ‘We live in a Hamiltonian Society.’

Citations:

http://larouchepac.com/node/21139

http://listverse.com/2012/02/13/top-10-highly-developed-countries/

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton

http://together.edublogs.org/2010/09/28/ jefferson-vs-hamilton-whose-vision-endures/

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

Carleigh i really agree with you about the combination of economy which has really helped with our economy today.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
ElisabethC(4) Clarified
2 points

I love how you brought in outside information that I hadn't known. It is obvious you put a lot of thought and effort into making it as great at this is, and even though I think Jefferson is the best fit for America, this made me do a double take. Well done.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
Savannahmc(4) Clarified
2 points

I agree you with you. I love how you said that we live in a Hamilton city

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I loved your essay's quality as well as quantity, the work and time you spent on it is clearly visible.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

Well put, you were able to put all your reasoning out there very effectively.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I am pleasantly surprised by the amount of efficiency and work put into this! Especially love the citations, which prove your views and facts true to the point. Good Work!

Side: Alexander Hamilton
8 points

Think of our world today, but everyone lived on a farm. You had to get up five in the morning, maybe work in the fields with your dad for a few hours before heading off to school. Then once you get home it’s back to the fields. After dinner you do homework and head off to bed. The next day is the very same. Doesn't sound fun, now does it? That is the world Jefferson envisioned for us. Now think of the world you live in now. We create and make products. You go to school and learn how to build things. This is Hamilton’s vision that we are living. Hamilton wanted this country to manufacture it’s own goods and he wanted us to have a strong military. If I look around now, I see many companies creating new technology and I see America as a military superpower. We live in Hamilton's world.

Hamilton wanted industry, he believed that a nation could not become modern without it. With his influence, the “Industrial Revolution” began. Factories were taking over and creating all different kinds of goods. More people got jobs and more jobs means more goods for everyone. Today, we still make goods. Those American Eagle jeans you’re wearing? They were made here. Without Hamilton, you probably would not be wearing them.

Hamilton saw a bloody war with his own eyes. He fought beside Washington in the Revolution and saw just how brutal humans could be. He did not completely trust everyone and tried to raise voting standards. Hamilton helped fight for our freedom and he wants to keep it. He does not want some country to take it away. He helped set up the military that protects America now.

To end my argument I want to point out that both men have suitable qualities for governing this country. While Jefferson may have been more fair to the people, Hamilton got America where it needed to be.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

I agree, people who would always work in the farms would not follow with the way jefferson believed people should live

Side: Alexander Hamilton
ElisabethC(4) Disputed
2 points

I can see where you are coming from, but I disagree with the fact that everyone would be a farmer in a farmers world. I think agriculture would be a big part, but if we had more farms in the U.S. Would that be so bad? Wouldn't it be better to have fresh produce then things imported from all over the world covered in chemicals?

Side: Thomas Jefferson
pakicetus(1455) Disputed
2 points

All food is covered in chemicals. Farming without pesticides is difficult and dangerous.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
Grady(10) Disputed
1 point

Elisabeth, you said that you don't think we would all be farmers, but you never say why, you do just the opposite and state why it wouldn't be so bad if we WERE all farmers. Do you have any evidence that would support your belief that in Jeffersonian world we wouldn't all be farmers?

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I agree. I like how you added that he fought beside Washington at war.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I see where your coming from but you have to think about even though we live in Hamiltons vison in some things like manufacturing goods, present day our world is trying to come up with ways to stop pollution and things like that because it is killing our planet. Jefferson did not want these problems to begin with.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

This is SUCH a great argument! Honestly this makes me really think about my choice towards Jefferson. But, i still believe if we lived fully in a Hamilton world without care for the people i feel the people would have another revoultion because they wouldnt want to be under control without any word again. But, Hamilton was very right about factories, and manufactreing. well done.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

Kate, love the intro, well put way to compare and contrast.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I like how you clarified both sides and then compared and contrasted both.

I am on board the Hamilton train.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
8 points

The philosophies and ideals of Alexander Hamilton obviously left a more enduring vision for America. Through his notions of a strong central government, a balanced economy of not just agriculture, and his vision of equality the legacy of Alexander Hamilton still lives on today. Though many may not know his name or his share in building this nation, we sure have a lot to thank him for.

Hamilton's view for a strong central government was vital for the success of the new country, and for that we can be thankful that our country is still around today and wasn't demolished shortly after its inception. A stronger federal government tasked to collect more taxes was greatly needed to support a larger military in order to protect against the threats of foreign nations. Along with a larger military, Hamilton envisioned a government that would fix the many flaws of the previous Articles of Confederation. Hamilton felt that the United States government needed the ability to issue currency and to negotiate interstate commerce, two things the Articles of Confederation unfortunately lacked, as well as again the ability to collect larger revenues. Without these three things we likely wouldn't have grown into the power we are today.

Now we must thank Alexander Hamilton for the fact that we live in a nation not dependent solely on agriculture, but also based on trade, business, and manufacturing. When he became Secretary of the Treasury he tasked himself with paying off our debts remaining from the Revolutionary War to make sure we didn't lose respect here at home or abroad so early. In order to expand the economy, and in turn increase the overall wealth of the nation he knew the federal government needed to promote business, manufacturing, and trade. We can easily see today this envisioned balanced economy: agriculture is still a cornerstone of our economy; business is everywhere providing almost any service you can think of, manufacturing plays a key role in producing goods mot only for us but for many people abroad, and trade helps us fulfill the potential of these other three areas.

Some would say that Thomas Jefferson would excel in the area of equality for all peoples, but we have plenty of evidence to show that's untrue. Of the two, Hamilton was the one who really supported the idea that all men are created equal. Jefferson owned over 200 slaves, while Hamilton was a proud abolitionist. Hamilton stood for those in all realms of the public sphere, not just farmers and those involved with agriculture. He stood up not just for farmers, but also for soldiers, factory workers, and slaves. Hamilton also believed in a government that protected the civil rights of all citizens. Jefferson may have been a strong proponent of religious freedom, but a quote from Hamilton reads, “There can be no truer principle than this — that every individual of the community at large has an equal right to the protection of government.”

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

I agree with and like how you stated Hamilton's view of a strong government and his reasons for wanting one.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

I agree Thomas Jefferson really didn't support that all men are equal.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I agree Alex Hamilton left a more enduring vision for America.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I agree completely with you Carrie, you did a great job explaining all of your reasons! Well done.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
6 points

Today, the United States easily sits as a major world superpower. It sprouted near the closure of the 1800's, when America began its peak in the economy. How did this fresh new band of colonies surpass even the finest world powers, such as Britain? You had better thank Alexander Hamilton for that. Hamilton laid down his image for America in the future. He wished for a strong military and government, a sound and diversified economy, and the abolition of slavery. His ideas for America are what began to assemble the lost pieces of America's economy and growth. They laid the infrastructure for industrial growth in the 1800's as well as the Industrial Revolution, which created more job opportunities and greatly improved our economy. Even today the effects of Hamilton's leadership show throughout our everyday lives, just by looking at the economy we live in. He rose our military standards, and for that we have the protection we would later need.

What made Hamilton an expert on the military, was that he was a primary source of the action. In the summer of 1775, Hamilton volunteered at a militia company known as the "Hearts of Oak". Later on in March 1776 he was commissioned by the state government to captain. His task at hand was to raise the New York Provincial Company of Artillery to protect Manhattan. Hamilton's men served along side Henry Knox's, a Chief of Artillery under Washington's command. Hamilton was later recognized by Washington himself, and became Commander in Chief. Years of military service affected Hamilton's line of thinking, for the good of America. He managed to kill two birds with one stone, by proposing to recruit slaves to the Continental Army then offering them freedom for their service. A term known as "Indentured Servants". Hamilton provided troops when needed by Washington, and made use of slaves by offering their freedom. This was the beginning of a vigorous and sturdy military.

Before Hamilton's excellent thought and leadership, America mostly relied on trade from other countries, and remained under the shadow of Britain. Britain helped America with imports and exports of different material, but expected taxes that were far too high to withstand. After a great Revolution in which we noted that Hamilton took part of, America won its independence. With America on its own, the economy started out weak. There was no mother country to provide what was needed. Near the end of the Revolution, about a year before the "Treaty of Paris", Hamilton resided to Philadelphia, where he became an elected representative to the Continental Congress. Hamilton understood the importance of the American image to other countries in order to gain allies, and he kept this in mind when declaring his thoughts for a perfect economy. In 1786, Hamilton was elected as New York legislature. Hamilton traveled back down to Philadelphia one year later to participate in the Constitutional Convention as one of New York's three delegates. The Constitution is signed by different delegates including Hamilton. Hamilton's true political potential isn't shown however until he begins to write the "Federalist Papers". This set of 85 essays supported Ratification of the Constitution and persuaded readers to ratify it. It was Hamilton's influence that got the Constitution ratified. Hamilton then begins the calling for a Nation Bank to increase the circulation of currency. Eventually, the bank was established and has lived to today. It exceeded what Hamilton could have ever hoped. In closure to Hamilton's economy, he had hoped for a balanced scale between manufacturing, trade, and agriculture. The balance allowed for all assortments of products to be established and didn't go out to one specific group of people. Hamilton believed in all jobs, not just rural and farming like Jefferson. With the start of the Industrial Revolution, jobs opened up like nothing before. The economy was in a heavenly state, with the inventions of new machines to make life easier. To this day we see the effects of Hamilton's economy, as it is still with us today. If you only like crops grown by farmers, then you can make the decision to only buy their produce. You are not limited to it if you do not want it. Grocery stores have an assortment of things from manufacturing to agriculture. Hamilton made this dream possible!

To end my arguable debate, I'd like to once again stress the impact Hamilton had on this country and its rise to world power. Without this man, our economy may still be in the state it was in the early 1700's, or worse. Hamilton allowed freedom to slaves and offered more troops for military service while at it. He was captain under Washington, and aided him with troops in battle. He built the most successful bank in the country! Jefferson and other leaders made contributions to this country, but not many can come close to the impact Hamilton made. Alexander Hamilton in my eyes left a more enduring vision of America.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

Hunter, I like your argument and extra back ground on Hamilton. However, I do believe in the debate we watched that it said Hamilton's economy, although a great idea, had little impact at the time.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
EvannsM(5) Disputed
2 points

I completely agree with you on the fact that Hamilton's beliefs didn't have the biggest impact at the time, but the thing in question here is who's vision is the most enduring, and the vision that has been relevant for the longest is definitely Hamilton's

Side: Thomas Jefferson
6 points

America is a place where innovation, freedom, and strong economy is key the to success. As Americans, we often take our good fortune for granted; we forget that there were people who shaped our lifestyles into what they are today. Alexander Hamilton took America and formed the unified country we see today. Hamilton viewed our country as a place where industry, investment, and expanded commerce triumphed agrarian life. His views of the economy, slavery, and the Constitution are all reasons why I think he left the most enduring vision of America.

Alexander Hamilton opposed Jefferson's views of an agrarian economy. Jefferson saw the industrial cities and believed that it would discourage that agrarian way of life, but Hamilton saw them as a way to give people a choice of career. He felt that the economy needed to grow into something bigger than what Jefferson saw, that we needed to find a way to become more than an agricultural society. Though he felt that we needed more than cultivation to have a booming society, he didn't put down the agrarian way of life, as Jefferson did with industrialism. He also promoted the National Bank, which would regulate expenses. He wanted to keep internal taxes and use debt as a way to establish credit, which are both things that our economy use today and are based on. Slavery put down his view of economy, so he fought against it.

Slavery was a big problem in America, even though most people didn't see it. Alexander Hamilton did see it, though. As a child, he spent much time around wealthy slave owners, so he saw the brutality and abandonment that it brought. He realized the problem and fought to fix it, unlike Jefferson, who owned slaves himself. Hamilton played a direct role in abolishing slavery in the north. He felt that African Americans could make a better life for themselves with proper education and training. He believed that all people were equal in their physical and mental attributes, so there was no reason to have slaves.

The Constitution was a topic of much controversy in America. Alexander Hamilton was a big part of pulling it together. He pulled everyone together for the Constitutional Convention; he wrote the Federalist Papers promoting the Constitution, and he got New York to ratify. Without his contributions, there would be nothing keeping our country as a union with a strong national government. His contribution in writing the Federalist Papers made all the difference in changing the anti-federalist states' minds. Without him, New York may not have ever ratified, and then where would we be? He was a major part in securing the destiny of this country.

Hamilton's views shaped the economy, the Constitution, and slavery and left the most enduring vision of America.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I completely agree with everything you wrote! Hamilton was an absolutely crucial part to ratifying the constitution and without him we would not be where we are today.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
6 points

Social classes play a huge role in government today. People who are wealthier tend to know more about how the government works. It is easier for them to move up to higher federal positions and make important, educated decisions. Hamilton recognized this and incorporated it into his belief system. He believed that the "common people often acted foolishly and that the rich, educated, and well born should run the country", and while i don't think that the common people can't work their way up the social classes just as Hamilton did, I do agree that well educated people make better, smarter decisions.

Many people may disagree with Hamilton's ideas on individual liberties being restricted. I think that they are interpreting this idea in the wrong context. I think that he was saying that while we should have freedom of speech, we should not be able to say things that may cause problems for others. For example, you wouldn't want someone to yell 'fire' in a completely safe building and have everyone to evacuate, only to learn there never was a fire. Hamilton wasn't saying that liberties should be restricted, rather than have restrictions.

I think that Hamilton's ideas on economy better match our current economic standings than Jefferson's. Hamilton established and supported a National Bank. Having a National Bank allows us to borrow and loan money to other countries, which makes us allies, and also allows us to establish credit. Jefferson wanted our economy to be entirely based off of agriculture, and while many people may argue that Hamilton wanted our economy to be completely industrialized, it is entirely untrue. He did want agriculture to be a source of income, he just didn't want it to be our only source of income. If you look at America today, that is exactly what you see. industry makes up a huge part of our society, but we still largely rely on agriculture.

Jefferson may have had more a philanthropic vision of America, but Hamilton's philosophies are what make up our society and culture today.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

I agree with this, although I agreed with the Jefferson people I think that you make good points and may even change my mind

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

I agree, the people who where smarter would have been better to run the country

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I agree with you Allyson about the wealthier people knowing more about government.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
5 points

America is a nation forged through fire and has always been a beacon of hope for a new future, and who else but Alexander Hamilton to portray this journey. Alexander Hamilton, who climbed up all the way from the deepest depths of poverty, who was abandoned by his father and condemned to a life of arduous, unpromising struggle, who worked his way to the top through the most discouraging of situations, who used his scholarship and education to construct some of the most influential works of literature our nation has seen, who became a commerce genius, who did all this of his own determination. Alexander Hamilton embodies the American spirit of astute, unfaltering determination to succeed. Alexander Hamilton pursued a Constitution that left freedom for the peoples’ decisions, the establishing of a stable economy by strategic debt tactics and the founding of a central bank, and a structured government to support its people, which we still see its legacy today.

After the failed attempt of a government called the Articles of Confederation, a new, stronger government needed to be formed, and thus the Constitution was started. The Constitution would be the foundation for the new government for centuries to come. But there was still dispute over how powerful the new government should be. Alexander Hamilton wanted the Constitution to give Americans space to breathe on their own decisions, but still provide structure. In fact, that’s all he wanted the Constitution to be; a basic structure. The Constitution was meant to define the ideas of the new government and its relationship with the people. The Constitution would list what the government thought the people should be able to do and what it in itself should not be allowed to decide. I strongly agree with Alexander’s philosophy of a Constitution to guide the country with a government to lead its people. This brings me to my next topic, the establishment of a democratic government.

Alexander Hamilton supported a strong central government and believed that America’s government should be modeled off of the British system. This, of course, rivaled Thomas Jefferson’s preferences of a weak federal government and powerful state government. However there were crippling problems with Jefferson’s idea, one of them being, again, the Articles of Confederation, which had an extremely weak federal government that was condemned to fall apart. The second issue was the lack of unity. As a nation, America needed to be a team, lead by one government, not by their states’ own. Each state taking care of itself would defeat the purpose of being a country, and larger issues were bound to arise from these flaws. America needed structure in its government and unity, which was brought by a strong central government.

Maintaining the economy is a major function of the government, and Alexander Hamilton understood this. Just as the nation needed unity in its government, it needed unity in its economy, too, so the National Bank was founded by Hamilton. The central banking system would help centralize the responsibility of America’s government and maintain and stabilize the economy in general. To win the people's support, Hamilton even suggested the government take on the war debts, showing the importance of improving the economy. Alexander, being a financial genius and Secretary of the Treasury, had an unprecedented strategy to boost and provide security to the economy . While Jefferson wanted to expel internal taxes and debt, Hamilton wanted to keep internal taxes and debt to establish credit. Hamilton also wanted a balanced economy that didn’t put too much pressure on one industry, unlike Jefferson who favored a reliance on agriculture. Alexander’s diverse industry dependence was a brilliant method of establishing a sound government and investing in them by offering financial support.

In conclusion, Alexander Hamilton lives on in the shards of his arduous strife and astounding accomplishments sprinkled throughout American history and ideals. We can still see the influence of Alexander Hamilton in most of the institutions we use today, such as our Constitution, government, and economic affairs, not to mention the very essence of American spirit: the passionate struggle to defeat your obstacles and reach beyond your goals.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
5 points

I think Alexander Hamilton is the best choice for America because he focuses on a more economic point of view. One of the best things to have is a strong economy. In fact it's something that a new country like America needs. As well as something it should strive for. This is the main reason i voted for Alexander Hamilton.

Alexander Hamilton also fought to abolish slavery in America. Did you know Alexander Hamilton helped to abolish slavery in NY? He also helped in its abolishment in several other states. Unlike Thomas Jefferson who claimed to be against slavery owned over one hundred of them. He also didn't free all of them after his death, in fact he only freed about 9 almost all of which had the same last name.

While on the subject of Thomas Jefferson did you know that he wanted a rural only America. He fought against cities and banks even. Also Thomas Jefferson wanted to only support agriculture. Meanwhile Hamilton supported both the big and the little man by having the government fund them. Also Jefferson was against the thought of a military while Hamilton actually helped to fund it.

While you may have been told that Alexander Hamilton didn't support a strict translation of the constitution. That may be the case but he still fought hard to get it ratified. In fact he almost single handedly got it ratified in New York. Alexander Hamilton also affected the state constitutions of several other states. So I believe we are living in Hamilton's America and I think we're better off for it.

Those are just a few of the reasons why I think America is better off with Alexander Hamilton than Thomas Jefferson.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
saramon(7) Disputed
1 point

I understand your point about economics, but Hamilton wished to restrict the personal rights of citizens, which I do not agree with.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

I agree with Dominick, having a strong diverse economy is important to the success of a country. Therefore, Hamilton had a better vision of factor needed to have a strong economy.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
5 points

Both Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson had good beliefs when it comes to the future of America. While I agree with many aspects of Jefferson's beliefs regarding the common people, Hamilton had much better ideas for the government, Constitution, and economy.

While Thomas Jefferson had many views that would help protect the people, Alexander Hamilton had great views on how to run the government. Alexander Hamilton devoured a strong central government. At the Constitutional Convention in 1787, Hamilton argued that neither the New Jersey Plan, nor the Virginia Plan would work for the current situation. He believed that the government should be divided into three branches. Division of the government into three branches would allow for none of the branches to become too powerful. He believed that the best government for the United States would be a national government that had complete political authority. He disliked states governments, and believed that, in a perfect union, there would be no states at all. Hamilton drafted a plan for a new, centralized national government, that would still allow states to retain their individuality and basic rights. He carefully drafted this plan, combining what he thought where all the best aspects from successful governments across the globe.

Not only did Hamilton have better views to establish a strong government, he had better views on interpreting the Constitution. Jefferson believed in a strict interpretation on the Constitution, and wanted a Bill of Rights, which he believed could only be granted under the Constitution. Alexander Hamilton believed in a loose interpretation of the Constitution, but that didn't stop him from co-authoring a series of essays in support of the it, known as The Federalist Papers. Hamilton believed that if the Constitution did not forbid something, then it should be permitted. A strict interpretation leaves no room for the future, as technology and culture progresses. With only a strict interpretation, the Constitution would constantly have to be modified to fit the developing world.

In addition to Hamilton's views on the government and Constitution, he had better ideas for the basis of the economy. Hamilton wanted a balanced economy based on agriculture, trade, finance, and manufacturing. Jefferson thought that agriculture should be the backbone of the economy. While agriculture is important to the economy, an economy focusing solely on agriculture would be very unstable. For example, if there was a very dry or cold season, crops would fail. With only agriculture to support the economy, the economy would suffer. Hamilton believed in a more modern economy, so that if a certain aspect failed, the economy could still remain strong.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
4 points

The debate between who left a longer lasting impression and who would create a better America in general has been a widely asked question for decades. Recently, it has been narrowed down to Washington's himself right hand men. Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton are both huge influences on today's America, but who had a better contribution. Thomas Jefferson believed in equality for the common man. Alexander Hamilton wanted a string government and economy. I am here to try to convince you that Hamilton developed the economy and government we have today, therefore making a longer lasting impression and contributing more to the foundation of America than his rival Thomas Jefferson. That being said, I don't believe that Jefferson didn't contribute at all. I think he made a huge impact on the equality of the modern man and woman, but Hamilton still would've run the country better.

The first fact that made me choose Hamilton over Jefferson is the way he'd structure the government. Hamilton was a Federalist in strong support of the constitution, in fact, he was the man who wrote the persuading set of essays the Federalist Papers in order to sway everyone for the Constitution. He favored a strong central government to keep the country in order and developed the Army and Navy to defend our country from foreign invaders. This here is the polar opposite of what Jefferson wanted. He favored a weak central government that gave more power to the states than to the central government. Does this sound familiar? This sounds a lot like the Articles of Confederation, which caused the country to go into debt and the states to nearly go to war with each other. Also, Hamilton, despite being a strong Federalist, favored a more loose interpretation of the Constitution. This means that he gave more freedom to the people. Jefferson wanted the interpretation of the Constitution to be strict. Strict as in, if it wasn't in the Constitution, you shouldn't do it.

Second, the economy and personal liberties. Hamilton did believe that these liberties should have some restriction. I'm not saying that I agree with this, but I can explain to you where he is coming from. Personal liberties, such as speech and press for example, can easily get a person in trouble with someone else, or in the worst case scenario, another country. We were still recovering from our own Revolutionary War with Britain at the time and if someone spoke out about or wrote something inappropriate to the Brits, we could easily end up in all out war again. My second point I mentioned in the first sentence was the economy. Hamilton wanted a balanced economy, America's income coming form agriculture, trade, finance, and manufacturing. That way if something happened to one of these things then America wouldn't be in a debt crisis. Jefferson believed that the backbone for America's economy should be agriculture. This could easily back fire on Jefferson as storms and natural disasters could easily take agriculture out and America would have a higher risk of going into debt if something like that ever happened. If Jefferson could've had his way, we would all still be living a rural life without cities, working on a farm 24/7. Also Hamilton wanted the government to aid in these things, unlike Jefferson, who wanted the Government to stay as far away from this as they could. Hamilton also developed the first National Bank. The National Bank is where all of our money is pooled when we pay taxes and is then distributed to the Army, education, and the rest of America in general to keep it running smoothly. A national bank is basically the founding stone for a strong economy. Now, doesn't that sound important? Well, Jefferson was against it. He also wanted to eliminate taxes, which contradicts his statement about wanting to pay off national debt. Now how are you going to pay off debt if the government doesn't have any money Jefferson? Hamilton wanted to keep internal taxes, but use the debt as a way to establish credit, which can open up financial doors. Credit plays a strong factor in a good economy by serving as allowing people more money if they pay taxes in a timely manner. It sets up good business and financial relationships and gives special privileges to those who can pay their taxes.

Finally, I will touch on some good qualities Jefferson has and wrap up my argument. Jefferson had many more fair morals to the people, such as lowering voting qualifications and putting lots of trust in the common people. He preferred a more Democratic Government over Hamilton wanting to model the government on the British system. Yet in the end, Jefferson trusted the people to a fault. People are cruel and corrupted beings and would abuse the trust Jefferson has given to them and drive this country into the ground. Therefore, I believe that Alexander Hamilton would develop a better country with a strong national government, defense forces, and economy that still remain today. The government today though would easily please both men, so I'm pretty sure we got it right.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
4 points

The "war" between who left a more lasting impression of how to run America has lasted for many years. The two contenders were George Washington's right hand men, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton. Both have their lasting qualities, yet I believe Alexander Hamilton' idea for America was the lasting impression. He wanted America to be equal in manufacturing, farming. This is important because this will later in lead us to being a world superpower. We don't need others making everything for us, even if we choose to do it anyways, and we can also make our food at the same time. Jefferson wanted America to be a rural country. That wouldn't have gotten us anywhere, and we probably would have been invaded and taken over a long time ago.

Also Hamilton wanted a strong military, while in the other hand Jefferson believed there was no need for one. Without Hamilton there would be no means of protection to America. Without a military we would have lost WWII possibly making the would ruled by the Nazi party. Even now we can't fight against terrorists, and building an army now would be useless. Jefferson may have impacted America hugely back then if we lived in his "world" everything would be, lack of a better term screwed up. I think actions speak louder than words and Jefferson was all talk and no walk. In other words he has more writing than actions towards America. When Hamilton did more for our country.

Alexander Hamilton also established the first National bank as a means to store money, Jefferson believed this was a back idea and banks were corrupt. This isn't the case, maybe a little in their time, but as of now they are essentially the building blocks of "The common man of America." Banks are places so everyone has a back up plan in terms of money.

All of these reasons contribute to why I think we live in the "world" of Alexander Hamilton, and he is the everlasting foundation to America.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I agree with you, Devin, we needed (and still do) a strong military.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I agree with you Devin especially about Hamilton establishing the first national bank

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I agree with you 100%. I like how you talk about the military

Side: Alexander Hamilton
4 points

Who left a more enduring vision of the U.S.A. Hamilton or Jefferson? I believe Alexander Hamilton left a more enduring vision of the United States of America. He started off very poor but he slowly made his way up starting when he went to America to get the education he should have. At this time he still had no money. Washington spotted his potential in the revolutionary war and made him his assistant Hamilton generously accepted his offer.

Hamilton believed that the best form of government was a federal form of government. That means the country was ruled by the wealthy. Hamilton felt the country should be ruled by the wealthy because they had the ability to get the knowledge that was required to run the government. Therefore, he felt, the wealthy could run the government better than the common people. Jefferson believed that everyone’s accumulated ideas would be better than the few wealthy men’s ideas.

Hamilton wanted the country to have a lot of manufacturing companies as opposed to agriculture. He believed that there was more money to be made in manufacturing. However, Jefferson believed that the agriculture path was the better path to take. I think that Hamilton’s ideas were better because he was thinking more in the long run and that in the future, manufacturing would be more profitable and better for the country.

While Jefferson wanted us to follow the constitution precisely, Hamilton felt that a more relaxed interpretation was better. If the constitution was interpreted in a more relaxed way, Hamilton would be able to build the national bank, which would further advance the manufacturing dream he envisioned. Which would then make the wealthy people more wealthy. I think that Hamilton’s idea would better America because it would make us more united in our decisions and make us a stronger nation.

In the end, I believe that Hamilton’s ideas were better than Jefferson’s for Americans. His ideas would make the future America a better, more profitable place to live, even if it took a while to get there.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
4 points

In my opinion Alexander Hamilton left a more enduring version of America. A lot of the stuff you see today is because of what Alexander Hamilton believed in. Alexander Hamilton was really into dealing trade and earning credit to bond with other countries and earn their trust. As a result a lot of countries are our allies and trading partners such as China for example. Hamilton also wanted a strong U.S. economy. Today we have a pretty strong economy which is something that Hamilton wanted. Unlike Jefferson, Hamilton was against slavery. He helped end slavery in some states such as New York and New Jersey.

Hamilton also was a federalist because of how he supported the ratification of the constitution. Hamilton wrote a majority of the federalist papers. Alexander Hamilton favored farming, manufacturing, and finance and if you look around you that is what some of America is about. Hamilton also fought in the Revolutionary War against Britain. He was appointed captain of artillery by General George Washington. Hamilton was also a lawyer and baker which proved he was very organized and smart.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I agree, most of the economical believes we have today come from hamiltons ideas

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I agree that Alexander Hamilton left more of a legacy behind because of his idea of a strong economy that we have now today, and was against slavery.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
4 points

Jefferson looks like the nice guy, I get that, and Hamilton may look like the bad guy, seeing how he doesn’t stand up for the “little guy”. But think about it, who is the little guy? The slaves, not the farmers, and Hamilton was an abolitionist. Jefferson didn’t even release his slaves when he died. After reading about both men, I think Alexander Hamilton would be better for overseeing America’s economy, the interpretation of the constitution, and how the government should be run, no matter what people think about his personality.

Alexander Hamilton’s vision of the economy was balanced and based on agriculture, trade, finance, and manufacturing. He wanted the government to give aid to all of these for support. Thomas Jefferson, on the other hand, wanted agriculture to be the backbone of our nation, and did not want the government to support trade, manufacturing, or finance. Alexander Hamilton established a national bank, which Jefferson opposed, but used to make the Louisiana Purchase.

Hamilton’s idea of government was also good; he wanted a strong central government. Jefferson favored a strong states’ government, and I can understand why some would agree with this, thinking it good that the states could do as they pleased. For that reason exactly, the Articles of Confederation failed. The states are too different, and need a strong federal government to unify them. He wanted a loose interpretation of the constitution. Jefferson wanted strict. The thing is, who is deciding how strictly these rules are being followed? Loose interpretation is good because it gives the people a say in the way the constitution is interpreted.

Overall, I think Hamilton left a more enduring legacy. The National Bank is still around today, we have an economy of agriculture, manufacturing, finance, and trade, and we can interpret the constitution as we choose. If problems arise, we have the Supreme Court. Even though we have a strong central government, states, as well as people, still have power. Even though Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson have different legacies, I personally think Alexander Hamilton’s is more meaningful in today’s world.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I like how you mentioned that the real little guy was the slaves and not the farmers. I don't think too many people noticed that.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
4 points

When you think of the word “enduring”, you think of words such as continuing, or long-lasting. This means that we are looking not for the person who has had a greater impact on the United States, but who had the longest-lasting vision for her. When you think about which of the founding fathers has had the most enduring vision, it is extremely hard to overlook one man, Alexander Hamilton. Hamilton was a brilliant man who had an amazing, and very enduring vision for the United States. One of Hamilton’s most enduring ideas were the ideas of a diverse economy; the abolition of slavery; and the power of a strong military.

When you think about what things brought America from a young, debt-ridden nation, to the most powerful country on Earth, you think about big business and manufacturing, two things that Hamilton not only believed in, but facilitated. Hamilton, unlike Jefferson, had a vision of a strong, and diverse American economy, two things that catapulted us into greatness, and are still a big part of what America stands for. Jefferson’s vision was simply an agrarian economy, Hamilton’s on the other hand not only included farming, but it also included manufacturing, and finance. Hamilton founded one of the first manufacturing centers in New Jersey, the bank of New York, and the New York Stock Exchange, three things that have endured with us up to today. Hamilton’s economic vision is one that will never falter, while Jefferson’s is an outdated one that if put in place, would make the United States a small, poor, and undeveloped nation.

Another enduring vision Hamilton had was the belief in the abolition of slavery. While Jefferson was a harsh slave owner, Hamilton refused to use his power and influence to aid the trade of slaves, even though most of the wealthy, and educated men he surrounded himself with were big slave owners. Jefferson contradicted himself in many ways, and one of them was that even though he preached equality for all people throughout his life, he owned many slaves, and even let slavery into the Louisiana Purchase. If you’re looking for who had the most enduring vision for America, it’s not difficult to decide between a firm abolitionist, and a man who owned slaves throughout his whole life, and wouldn’t let them free after his death.

As my last point of why Hamilton had a more enduring vision of the United States, let’s take a look at our military. Hamilton believed in a strong military, a belief that has carried us and our allies to victory through two world wars, and is still with us today. Jefferson on the opposite side of the spectrum, actually fought against a Navy and an Army, the only two branches of the military at the time. Hamilton’s vision of the military is a vision that is still with us, and one that we as Americans are extremely proud of.

To conclude, neither Hamilton nor Jefferson were perfect, as both had their downfalls. But when you look at the United States today, and whose vision is the most enduring, you will realize that Alexander Hamilton’s vision has been serving us well for 237 years and will forever be a part of America.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

You have some good points on why Hamilton had a better vision of the US!

Side: Alexander Hamilton
3 points

Sample from past student Nick Tsigas:

First, look around you. You live in a country of industry: a legacy dating back to the invention of steam; a country with an innovative mindset, freedom, and structure. Now look at yourself. Where do you live, what is your nationality, who do you identify with? America. Not Texas, or Virginia, or any one state. The United States. A country with a strong government, representatives, the Federal Reserve, even a close alliance with Britain, and a Constitution that has been built on and expanded over the years. These all are the ideals of Alexander Hamilton and his Federalists, and now, over two hundred years later, they still provide the backbone of an ideal American society.

Hamilton rose in an unprecedented manner from poverty and nothingness to become a shrewd politician and war hero. He was born abandoned and disowned and worked, on his own merits, to rise to a career in law, and Wasington’s aide-de-camp. In war he witnessed horrors none of us can imagine, including Jefferson. It is true that these past experiences influenced some of his ideas that seem defensive and untrusting towards the majority of society. But all people are influenced by the past, including Jefferson and his ‘sunnier’ background. Many of Jefferson’s ideas, while idealistic, are no longer relevant in today’s government; particularly his grand idea of an America of ‘yeoman’ farmers, and states all but separate in government. Any final vestiges of this illusion vanished in the 1800’s when America, like the rest of the modern age, became industrialized. This, Hamilton anticipated, and it came true.

For those who doubt Hamilton, I say look no farther than the country around you today, for it is full of Hamilton’s ideas. People looking to hold an office in politics must prove to through campaigns that they are worthy of people’s trust, and not selfish and manipulative. Representatives, not the everyday man, go to Washington where the laws that affect all of us, state and citizen are made. Our economy is reflected in an abstract, but effective stock market. The Federal Reserve Bank of America is the cornerstone of our economy and growth, and even allowed for the dubious Louisiana Purchase. We export goods and services, and take a leading role in Foreign Relations. We have a close alliance with Britain and many other countries. Most importantly, we have a society in which, like Hamilton himself, the little man can make himself whatever he pursues in life. In short, we are a global superpower. All of these were the foresights, ideas and brainchildren of the great Alexander Hamilton, without whom we would not know the privileges our society has to offer.

In conclusion, when the grand picture of history is taken into consideration, Hamilton is responsible for some of the most fundamental, progressive Ideals and Institutions that have made America the worldwide powerhouse that it is. Where some people provided a newborn America with words and principles, Mr. Hamilton gave it practicable ideas, institutions, and a forward-thinking attitude that prompted it into the actions that made it what is is today. And as they say, actions speak louder than words.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
3 points

I used to think Thomas Jefferson had a more enduring vision of the United States, but then again Alexander Hamilton wanted us to be a better country in the future a strong and with a good economic view, that's exactly what a new country like America needs a strong leader that can make us a better and stronger country in the future. 

Thomas Jefferson had a vision of the future for us which wasn't that good he wanted us to still live in farms get really early in the morning to do our job go to school come back, then the next morning do the same, what a boring life we would have right? Alexander Hamilton wanted us to improve for the future have better factories and a better life. We have a pretty advanced country now thanks for his vision of the future. Alexander Hamilton wanted us to manufacture our own things and have strong military. We have so many great companies that thoughout the year they manufacture their own things and every year they create something better, something that can make our lives better. For example this essay I'm writing I could of been writing it on paper with pencil and I would probably have errors, but now we have iPads that help us do so many things we have a better chance of having a good life and education now, all thanks to Hamilton. 

We have freedom, we like that we can do whatever we want of course we have our boundaries, but without those boundaries we would be a really weak country, other countries would want to take what we have now. That's why Hamilton wanted a strong military so we could keep what we have now, imagine if we didn't have that and we had a weak military other countries could just come in and take whatever we have, they could just easily take away our freedom and take over the country and all that we have improved in, it wouldn't matter any more because they can just come in and take it away without a fight, but we don't have a weak military. We have a strong military that protects us. 

Both Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton had good ideas for America, Thomas was more fair to people and thought about the farmers and the slaves yet he had slaves and when he died he didn't give freedom to all of them, he didn't really think of the future like Hamilton he just thought of the present time. Alexander Hamilton did think of the future and that's all we needed to be able to accomplish all the things we have and do today. 

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I really like how you arent completely one sided about the question and you still point out that Jefferson had good ideas for America

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

i think that what you say is very true Jefferson didn't follow his words, but his words inspired our system of government that we have this very day.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
3 points

Who do you think had a more enduring vision of the United States? For me it would definitely have to be Alexander Hamilton. I have three reasons why I love him. He got America a new Constitution, he was against slavery, and he wrote a majority of the Federalist papers.

The Articles of Confederation were complete junk. They were literally just an outline of the rules they wanted to get some form of Government started. They weren’t very well thought out, which made it even worse because the thing they needed most at the time was some sort of good constitution. Alexander Hamilton realized this (being who he was) and got people together and forced them to come up with something better. The result was the Constitution of The United States, which might I point out is what we still use to this day.

Alexander Hamilton was completely against slavery. He wrote it all over his writings. Yes, he did believe that colored people were inferior to white men, but that was just what everyone was raised to believe back then. Thomas Jefferson was the opposite of Hamilton. He owned several slaves and treated them horribly. Even after he died, he didn’t even release them. I believe that people took in to account Hamilton’s view on slavery. He was an influence to America that slavery was wrong, and that people, all colors, were created equal.

The Federalist Papers were a series of 85 pages that promoted the ratification of The Constitution. Alexander Hamilton wrote 52 of them. He is basically the majority of the reason we have rights, people. I would like to see someone top that. So obviously he left an enduring vision for history. Yes, I will acknowledge the fact that Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. But that wasn’t his vision, those were other peoples thoughts that he wrote on paper. Hamilton’s vision gave us our American Rights.

In conclusion, I believe Alexander Hamilton had a more enduring vision for America because he got people to create a new Constitution, he left a message that slavery was wrong entirely, and wrote the majority of the papers that got the states to ratify the constitution that we still use today. So in my opinion, Alexander Hamilton wins this debate by a landslide.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I like how you brought up Hamilton being an abolitionist.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

Your essay was especially effective from your use of listing specific examples of why you liked Hamilton more.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
3 points

Alexander Hamilton left a more enduring vision of America. He was a firm abolitionist who supported the equality of all men. He wrote the Federalist papers which helped to interpret the Constitution he helped draft. He established a strong versatile economy, and he instituted a tax system, a credit system, and a manufacturing system.

The Declaration of Independence states that “all men are created equal.” Hamilton not only supported this, he actively lived these words. He worked towards equality, succeeding in New York and New Jersey. Slavery was ended in those two states, the first of many to work towards equality. It is said that Hamilton did own slaves, but they were paid staff. He felt that with proper education and a steady income, that anyone, including African Americans, could do great things.

Hamilton also saw that the Articles of Confederation were weak and damaging the country. So he gathered all the delegates for a Constitutional Convention. He helped to draft the Constitution, keeping it loose and flexible. The loose interpretation he assumed would allow for the Constitution to be used to solve many problems. Hamilton also wrote the Federalist papers which not only helped to ratify the Constitution, but they helped to later interpret the Constitution.

Hamilton used his position as Secretary of Treasury to do many things to improve America’s economy. Instead of having the economy rely on one thing like manufacturing or agriculture, he supported a diverse economy. He wanted the economy to be balanced between agriculture, trade, finance, and manufacturing. He improved manufacturing by coming up with a better system, and he wanted the government to give aid to all four parts of the economy. He implemented a tax system and a credit system, making great strides in achieving economic stability. His economy was very modern, and it is the economy we live in today.

Alexander Hamilton helped to start the process of working towards equality.He was a key role in everything that had to do with the Constitution, and his interpretation of the Constitution has allowed us to become the America we are today. His diverse economy has shaped and grown into today’s economy, it started with him. We are living in Alexander Hamilton’s vision of America.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

I like how you included the role Alexander Hamilton played in the creation of the Constitution.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

Sample former student SAMPLE:(Nick Tsigas)

First, look around you. You live in a country of industry: a legacy dating back to the invention of steam; a country with an innovative mindset, freedom, and structure. Now look at yourself. Where do you live, what is your nationality, who do you identify with? America. Not Texas, or Virginia, or any one state. The United States. A country with a strong government, representatives, the Federal Reserve, even a close alliance with Britain, and a Constitution that has been built on and expanded over the years. These all are the ideals of Alexander Hamilton and his Federalists, and now, over two hundred years later, they still provide the backbone of an ideal American society.

Hamilton rose in an unprecedented manner from poverty and nothingness to become a shrewd politician and war hero. He was born abandoned and disowned and worked, on his own merits, to rise to a career in law, and Wasington’s aide-de-camp. In war he witnessed horrors none of us can imagine, including Jefferson. It is true that these past experiences influenced some of his ideas that seem defensive and untrusting towards the majority of society. But all people are influenced by the past, including Jefferson and his ‘sunnier’ background. Many of Jefferson’s ideas, while idealistic, are no longer relevant in today’s government; particularly his grand idea of an America of ‘yeoman’ farmers, and states all but separate in government. Any final vestiges of this illusion vanished in the 1800’s when America, like the rest of the modern age, became industrialized. This, Hamilton anticipated, and it came true.

For those who doubt Hamilton, I say look no farther than the country around you today, for it is full of Hamilton’s ideas. People looking to hold an office in politics must prove to through campaigns that they are worthy of people’s trust, and not selfish and manipulative. Representatives, not the everyday man, go to Washington where the laws that affect all of us, state and citizen are made. Our economy is reflected in an abstract, but effective stock market. The Federal Reserve Bank of America is the cornerstone of our economy and growth, and even allowed for the dubious Louisiana Purchase. We export goods and services, and take a leading role in Foreign Relations. We have a close alliance with Britain and many other countries. Most importantly, we have a society in which, like Hamilton himself, the little man can make himself whatever he pursues in life. In short, we are a global superpower. All of these were the foresights, ideas and brainchildren of the great Alexander Hamilton, without whom we would not know the privileges our society has to offer.

In conclusion, when the grand picture of history is taken into consideration, Hamilton is responsible for some of the most fundamental, progressive Ideals and Institutions that have made America the worldwide powerhouse that it is. Where some people provided a newborn America with words and principles, Mr. Hamilton gave it practicable ideas, institutions, and a forward-thinking attitude that prompted it into the actions that made it what is is today. And as they say, actions speak louder than words.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

I think Alexander Hamilton was a better match for America because he wanted the United States to be deeply involved with world trade. This would really benefit us because it would give us access to goods we can’t make or don’t have. It could also make a more beneficial relationship with other countries and we could become allies with them if it is necessary.

Hamilton wanted us to become a manufacturing powerhouse. If we started manufacturing things it would mean more job opportunities for people. It could also give us more wealth because if we make a chair out of wood, it would be worth more than if we just sold the wood and we could use the money from the chair to buy something that isn't normally in the US such as coffee.

Hamilton believed that individual liberties should be limited. I agree with this because a lot of people can take advantage of them even though that isn't what they mean. For example, freedom of speech, if someone says something really offensive and rude they will use freedom of speech as an excuse. What freedom of speech means, is that if you say something, the government can’t throw you in jail for it unless it’s something like confessing to murder. People think it means that you can say whatever you want and people can’t get mad at you but that’s not what it is. I don’t think that he meant getting rid of them or removing some, I think he meant changing it so things like that don’t happen.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I like how you mentioned how manufacturing could benefit the economy. I also like your point about freedom of speech. The first amendment protects you from the government persecuting you for what you say, not your employer or anyone else.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I also agree on the term of limited individual liberties.

A man cannot commit murder to someone, and then say it is his individual right. We must have boundaries. Otherwise, this country would be dangerous and unstable.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

Although Alexander Hamilton wasn't a president, he saw the problems with our country and decided to fix them. Before, we has the Articles Of Confederation (junk), no national bank, and a poor economy.

The A.O.C. was laughably unstable, weak in other countries eyes, and looked like it would surely collapse system of government. Alexander Hamilton realized this so he got together with people to create what is now known as the United States Constitution.

If National Government was to collect taxes, pay employees and vendors, issue currency, etc., it required a bank big enough to handle the volume. Hamilton advocated a loose interpretation of the Constitution and by doing so strengthened the U.S. economy and gave us a national bank.

In conclusion, we owe Alexander Hamilton a massive thank you because of his visions of a strong economy, our country was forged with a stable platform that evolved into the strongest economy of the world.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

I think Alexander Hamilton had the more enduring vision of the United States. At first, I chose Thomas Jefferson, because he appeared to be a good man. Then I found he had done certain things that I had not known about. First, he stated that all men and women were created equal, but he owned slaves that he treated badly. That clearly shows that he didn't think African American men and women were created equal. On the other hand, Alexander Hamilton grew up very poor, but he ended up be very wealthy. In the beginning, he did not trust the people and he turned his back on the poor. Eventually, he protected the common man or known as the little man and he even supported black slaves, while jefferson owned slaves and treated them badly.

When it came to economics, Alexander Hamilton was wise. He knew everything about economics, and wanted to open a national bank and lead the government in the right way. Thomas Jefferson followed the constitution very strictly. Thomas Jefferson was very agricultual minded, he always thought that people should live off the land, but if you think about it that wouldn't really work. Many people would not agree with that, they would probably want to do other things with their lives. Think about it you wake up and go out to the fields, plant/remove crops, go to school, come back home, do your homework and go to bed. Its just the same process over and over again, and this would make some people very unhappy.

Alexander Hamilton seemed like a peoples person. He wanted to have trust and relations with other countries, so he always had some sort of debt in order to have trust in other countries. But enough with the economics, lets move onto the constitution. Hamilton always preferred a loose interpretation of the constitution, which is a good thing. Lets say people don't like a law or they want to add a law, they could then add a law or remove a law with votes making the constitution less strict. Basically, Hamilton was better at economics, better at talking to people, and treated people fairly. In my opinion, Alexander Hamilton had a better and more enduring vision on America than Thomas Jefferson did.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

Look at America today. It wouldn't be the country it is without Alexander Hamilton. His actions and ideas about creating a balanced economy, a National Bank, and a strong central government with a loose interpretation of the Constitution still influence the American government and economy.

Hamilton supported the vision of a balanced economy in the United States. He wanted government support to go to agriculture, trade, finance, and manufacturing. With many different ways to support the economy, if one industry fails, the whole economy doesn't crash. Trade made up a large part of several northern states' economies, such as New York. In the southern states, agriculture played a large role in the economy. To make the overall economy of the United States work, all of the states' economies have to flourish. Alexander Hamilton understood that and worked to make that economy become a reality. It is because of Hamilton's vision that the American economy is invested in multiple industries to make a balanced and stable financial foundation.

The creation of a National Bank was another idea in which Hamilton strongly believed. He argued that it would improve the nations credit and solve some of the financial problems. The bank could lend money to the government, so it could afford to start programs, such as the National Bank itself. However, this was not just an idea. Unlike other politicians, Hamilton found a way to see his ideas turn into reality. He persuaded Congress to establish a National Bank which helped grow and played a large role in the American economy. This is proven by the mayhem that ensued after Thomas Jefferson canceled the bank while he was President of the United States. The National Bank affected today's America by helping to set up an economy that can last over two hundred years.

Also, Hamilton wanted a strong national government that interpreted the Constitution loosely. The Articles of Confederation was a weak central government and obviously didn't work. The United States needed a stronger national government to unite the states and function properly. Alexander Hamilton noticed this and took actions to make a strong, functioning federal government. The government he envisioned and helped create is still in affect today. Hamilton believed that the government would function best with a loose interpretation of the Constitution. Not every detail of what the government can and cannot do and how the country is supposed to be governed can be included in the Constitution, so there needs to be room for interpretation. As time goes on and the American world around the Constitution change, the Constitution needs to be interpreted through those circumstances that would not have been envisioned while writing the Constitution. Loose interpretation of the Constitution also provided the United States with opportunities that it would not have had otherwise. Even Thomas Jefferson's Louisiana Purchase which added a very large amount of land to the United States would not have been possible if Hamilton had not pushed for a loose interpretation of the Constitution.

Alexander Hamilton's vision of the United States economy and government still continue to shape todays society.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
CaseyS(4) Disputed
1 point

As for the loose interpretation of the constitution, I do not agree with your statement that as times change the constitution should be interpreted differently. The constitution was created to keep this country great, changing the constitution only weakens our government and opens us up to failure that we have thus far avoided. Rules are rules, you can't pick and choose which ones to follow.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

i agree with Claire, america wouldnt be were it was today if it wasnt for Hamilton. He had a strong view on how he wanted america to be. He established the national bank which we need for a back up or full support for our money and favored and founded our highest level of protection which is our military.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
Gabbychuba(4) Clarified
1 point

America wouldn't be were it is today if Alexander Hamilton didn't create and have more accurate results of the country

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

A legacy is what a person leaves behind for future generations to have. It is hard to decide between two great men , Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, which one had left the greater legacy.

I support Alexander Hamilton because of his mind and economy. His idea of a strong country is that they have a strong business relationship and allies with around the world. Alex educating men and women to be successful. The economy would have to depend on agriculture, trade, and finance. He also wanted a national bank which would increase our relationship with other countries and unlike Jefferson he didn’t believe in slavery. Thomas Jefferson had about 200 slaves.

People may disagree to his restrictions to freedom of speech but I agree that you if you don’t have anything good to say don’t open your mouth. He believes that you should be respectful with your words because speech can cause a big conflict, but actions speak louder than words and he fought to be a free individual country from Britain by participating in the war.

Taxing is important to support a federal army and is greatly needed and spread throughout the country. We need a federal army to protect ourselves in case of war and corruption. A bunch of minute men and militias aren’t going to be enough. It was proven by Shay’s rebellion and if our army/navy can’t defend us in a rebellion how are they supposed to defend us in a war. That’s also why taxing is important, to feed and supply our troops.

Alexander has left behind the biggest legacy because we support it the most. Our economy continues to grow because of him and his actions.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

I feel uneasy choosing between these two men. Both of their ideas and opinions are still seen today. I cannot just decide which one affected America more, because they were both extremists in the way they were polar opposites. Anything Jefferson thought, Hamilton thought different. Jefferson was for the little guy, the farmers and the “common man.” Hamilton was more towards an industrialized society and a balanced economy, although he felt very strongly that poor people were incompetent and the wealthy and powerful should rule our country. Of course, I am supposed to make it clear whose side I am on. It’s not that easy, considering there really are no “sides.” The question is, “Who had the more enduring vision of the United States? Hamilton or Jefferson?” Not, “Whose political opinions do you more closely relate to, Hamilton or Jefferson?”

If you look around today, you can see these two men in every part of America. Hamilton’s wish for a strong central government is in place; meanwhile, Jefferson’s want for a more Democratic Government is also shown (although, a slight correction: America is a republic, or a representative democracy, not a direct democracy where majority rules). Some things, like the strict/loose interpretation of the constitution are pretty questionable in today’s age. In Hamilton’s vision, today economy is based off of a mix of agriculture, trade, finance and manufacturing, not limiting to a rural, farm-based society like Jefferson wished for.

Some things are still being decided today with difference in political opinions. For example, should the government give aid to support means of work such as listed above? This question has not been answered definitely; the debate dating back over a hundred years ago is still going on today.

The question, “Who had the more enduring vision of the United States?” is unanswerable. Both men were extremists in their own opinions, completely opposite of each other. When Hamilton strayed too far, Jefferson pulled back. When Jefferson got carried away Hamilton’s views balanced it out. The two men pushing against each other to establish their own idea in the foundation of the U.S is what created this society and country. Both of their visions for America endured these long years in their own ways. Personally, if I absolutely had to choose who would govern this country it would be Hamilton, because of his realistic approach to what our country needs, instead of Jefferson’s more idealistic ideas that don’t always fold out in real life how they’re supposed to, even though they sound good on paper.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I agree with this. Both men have their respective upsides and downsides but in the end, Hamilton wins only because of his "realistic approach to what our country needs." Good essay.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
Gabbychuba(4) Clarified
1 point

your essay really went deep into the topic and stated basically everything you needed and more!

Side: Thomas Jefferson
2 points

If you actually look at America, it's slowly corrupting. This was not Hamilton not Jefferson's vision of what America would be. Even though these two men were very different they were very much alike, they both envisioned a strong, new country.

Now, the big question is who had the more eduring vision of America. Even though Jefferson was a great man and president I believe Alexander Hamilton had the better vision. He had set this country up for success. First, he wanted a modern economy, something like we have today. He planned for it to be a very strong economy based on fianance, trade, manufacturing and agriculture. He had made the manufacturing business a success and thought a bit outside the box. Jefferson relied on agriculture only for the economy. What if there was bad weather? This means they couldn't grow and harvest their crops for quite awhile. His economy idea wasn't strong and would not last, just like the Articles of Confederation.

Alexander Hamilton was also against slavery, he had pretty much single handedly stopped slavery in New York and in New Jersey. Unlike Jefferson, he had over 100 slaves and he was not a nice master. He clearly did not live up to his words "all men are created equal." He had only let 9 of his slaves free, all with the same last name. This doesn't show the leader that people say he is. Now I know that Jefferson is part of the reason on why I have my freedom but I see that Hamilton had a brighter vision on the country.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

Zachariah Vieth Coach Gorman 7th period

The United States of America is a country full of immigrants who came here to start a new life that gave them more freedom, and to help them become more successful. The America that we live in today wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for Alexander Hamilton. He took America and formed it into the country we see today. He believed that the wealthy and educated should run the country instead of common people, he favored a strong central government and a national bank, he didn’t believe in slavery, and he wanted a strong military.

Alexander Hamilton noticed that the Articles of Confederation lacked a strong central government. Unlike Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton favored a strong central government instead of a strong state government. Shays Rebellion is an example as to why a strong central government is needed. Having a strong state government is bad because the majority of the power is in the states allowing them to do things such as create their own money, have their own banks, and tax out of state residents. A strong state government can also affect our military by not choosing to send troops for a federal cause. Having a strong central government is better because it gives you a national bank, you have a stronger military, and it makes the government run more efficiently.

People say that Thomas Jefferson believed that everyone is equal, but he was the owner of a couple hundred slaves. Alexander Hamilton, an abolitionist, truly believed that everyone is equal because he believed in a government that protected the civil rights of all citizens. He also stood up for farmers and slaves.

Alexander Hamilton also favored a loose interpretation of the constitution, while Thomas Jefferson favored a strict interpretation of the constitution. A loose interpretation of the constitution means that government can act relatively freely as long as the Constitution does not explicitly prohibit an action, and a strict interpretation of the constitution means that the Constitution must explicitly grant a power or privilege in order for the action to be legal. When Thomas Jefferson became president he was a hypocrite because he didn’t follow the strict interpretation and instead changed his views on it.

Finally, I would like to say that if it wasn’t for Alexander Hamilton the country would have never been as it is today.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
2 points

It was very difficult to decide who left a more enduring vision, but I have to choose Alexander Hamilton. Even though Thomas Jefferson was a great man and did many good things for the United States, Hamilton did, in my opinion, leave the greater impact.

Even though Jefferson was a great man who also did many good things, he envisioned a less modern government with more agriculture and less manufacturing, while Hamilton thought the complete opposite. He still knew that farming was needed but he thought manufacturing was also very important. And in today's economy, Hamilton's thoughts on how things should be done is for the most part how they are now.

Hamilton went about making a Navy and an Army, because he thought that our country should have a stronger, more organized military force. Jefferson did not think the same way, he did not want such a strong government, he fought against having a navy. Jefferson had a vision for what the needs of the country would be and a strong Military force was not one of them. Jefferson cared more about religious freedoms and that all men are created equal. Also he wrote that we all have certain rights that the government can't take away from us, and everyone has individual rights. Jefferson went against his own rule on that by owning slaves, and he didn't treat them very well. Racism is a problem we live in today, so he did not leave a very enduring vision with racism and slavery.

Alexander Hamilton favored a unified country, and wanted a strong federal government for federal issues, he was apart of this government later on. He had many ideas about commerce, and he was an Abolitionist. Both of these men were very great and had a lot to do with the United States, however I think that in todays society, we live in Hamilton's country.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
Gabbychuba(4) Disputed
1 point

I like how you put what both of them envisioned and how they went about doing so.

Side: Thomas Jefferson
1 point

First, I would like to state some backstory on the two subjects; Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton. If we just take a second to realize how and where each person was raised I think it’s obvious who would win here. Alexander Hamilton has an amazing rags to riches story that can really characterize himself. So let me provide you with a little bit of a deeper understanding of Alexander Hamilton. Alexander Hamilton was a Founding Father of the United States, chief of staff to General Washington, one of the most influential interpreters and promoters of the Constitution, the founder of the nation's financial system, and the founder of the first American political party. As Secretary of the Treasury, Hamilton was the primary man over the economic policies of the George Washington administration, especially the funding of the state debts by the Federal government, the establishment of a national bank, a system of tariffs, and trade relations with Britain. He became the leader of the Federalist Party, created largely in support of his views, and was of course opposed by the Democratic-Republican Party, led by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. Born out of wedlock and raised in the West Indies, Hamilton was orphaned at about the age of 11. Recognized for his abilities and talent, he was sponsored by people from his community to go to the North American mainland for his education. He attended King's College, in New York City. After the American Revolutionary War, Hamilton was appointed to the Congress of the Confederation from New York. He resigned to practice law and founded the Bank of New York.

Now onto the more important matter, the actual debate. I think Hamilton had better ideas on what to do with the country, especially the economy. Hamilton’s economic plan for the nation included establishing a national bank, like that in Britain, to maintain public credit; consolidating the states’ debts under the federal government; and enacting protective tariffs and government subsidies to encourage American manufactures. While Jefferson may have been the better choice for equality, what’s the use of equality if the whole nation is in poverty. Hamilton I think really focused on the economy; something that is a huge problem today. Hamilton wanted to make America thrive while still favoring some equality. Hamilton had a strong belief in commercialism and a strong national economy. We learned in the debate we watched that Hamilton was against slavery, something that became a major issue, that eventually turned into America’s bloodiest battle. We have to remember that Hamilton grew up either in or around a slave plantation and saw first hand the harshness of slavery. Hamilton favored equality and diversity, something that Jefferson ignored. We learned in the debate that Jefferson; unlike Washington and other slaveholders did NOT release his slaves upon death. Jefferson seems to be the one favoring equality in this debate, but yet he had multiple slaves. I don’t think this is what equality is. Back to the subject of equality I will say however, that Hamilton wasn’t the best with this topic. He wanted to raise voting qualifications and only let the rich and well educated run the country. I think it’s obvious however that both of these put into a better context are perfectly logical. Why wouldn’t we give power to more educated people and make it so less people could vote. I still think women should vote, but I think the age minimum could and should be raised. By raising this limit it would bring more logical and genuine

votes for people in office. So honestly, Hamilton could be considered to have a better view of equality.

What about the other topics we can talk about in this debate? Well how about the government and other politics. Hamilton favored a strong central government and wanted a national bank to control the nation’s spendings. Jefferson however wanted a weak central government and a strong state government. How can you have control if the state has more power than the nation? Some think that Jefferson had a strong and just view on what our government should be, but I strongly disagree. I do want to point out one of Hamilton’s flaws on his view of government before I move on. Hamilton wanted our government to be modeled after the British system, which would be the impractical system of monarchy. I will just for this, side with Jefferson on his view for a more Democratic Government. Back to the actual argument I would like to question why we should reduce the number of Federal employees. Doing this not only slows down the job the government holds, but makes it harder for the few employees to even get the job done. Increasing the number of our Federal employees can make it easier for the nation to solve our financial issues and any other issues we may face. Increasing this number will make it easier for America to survive in the world and become a larger and more powerful world superpower. Onto the interpretations of the Constitution I would again question Jefferson’s logic. Why would we strictly follow a “guideline” and let it govern our lives. This brings me to say what a huge hypocrite Jefferson is. He says that we should not use national credit and put our nation into debt, but does this exact thing during the Louisiana Purchase. He also goes on during his Presidency to continue to disregard the Constitution and bypass his own sayings in his actions. How is it possible that this man can do this exact thing and have a better vision for the future of America. Hamilton was true to his word and didn’t later do what he said we shouldn’t do. The complexity of the Constitution was meant to be a guideline for America to follow so we would not fall into a state of anarchy and chaos. Hamilton believed in us having a strong military branch to successfully defend against attacks and threats directed towards the US. Jefferson wanted us to spend as little money possible to fund a pitiful military nicknamed “mosquitoes” because they were ineffective. By funding our military with the proper funds we can feel safer to traverse just our own neighborhoods making us feel more free to do as we please. Now since Hamilton wanted to have a strong federal government, it would make sense for us to provide better funds for our military. What about the national bank? As I had briefly mentioned before, a national bank is a must. By using this system the nation can have a safe place to store our money. Jefferson didn’t want this to happen because he thought this would make us too much like the British and we would end up having monarchy in the nation. This wasn’t the plan, Hamilton simply wanted to model our own form of a national bank off of Britain. By taking a few of the good ideas implemented in Britain and smashing them together with a few of our own ideas we could make ourselves a very safe and versatile bank system. Copying a few good ideas from another country isn’t the same thing as trying to be exactly like them. We can’t assume that this is what was going to happen.

Lastly, I would like to talk a little bit more about the economy and whether helping the British or the French would be a good idea. Plus individual liberties and who better modeled them. Would it make sense to limit some of our individual liberties such as freedom of speech. Although this may seem unjust and unfair, if we limit these liberties for certain reasons some issues could be avoided. What about the right of petition, this could be limited, not taken away but limited. We could limit some other rights for again, logical reasons. Hamilton wasn’t saying he was going to take away our individual liberties, he just wanted to limit them. So what about helping the French or the British fight? Even though we had just fought a war with Britain I think helping the British could prove to be a rewarding decision. Britain was the world superpower at the time and could prove to greatly increase our chance to have the world’s best economy. Britain could be a great trade partner with greater and more valuable goods to be bought we could establish a magnificent trade system. Now what would happen if we help the French, we just make the British hate us more making it harder to become allies with a great nation. Now closing up my argument I would just like to tighten some loose ends about the view of economy. Jefferson believing in a more rural America wanted our economy to be based solely on agriculture and not to participate in trade and manufacture goods. We live in Hamilton’s America, our economy is exactly what Hamilton wanted it to be. Without the ideas of Hamilton we would all be farmers, New York would be entirely country and we wouldn’t have the kind of technology we have discovered today. Now some still say that Jefferson still provided better views on equality, but as I had mentioned before he owned at least 100 slaves and only released 9 all with the same last name. I shouldn't say Hamilton had a better view on our personal rights, but he had a logical and strong vision for America. He wanted us to be able to thrive in the world and use national credit. He created the New York Stock Exchange and helped establish the New York that we know today. He wanted the economy to be built off of the inventions of man and for innovation and creativity to be a part of our lives. We can’t say that we live in Jefferson’s America because we aren’t all farmers, we have invented machine after machine, and we always are thinking of ways to improve the industrial business, but where would that leave us if Hamilton didn’t give us these ideas. Would we still live in this modern, urban world we live in? Would America even be a name that meant something. I believe that we have plenty of things today because of Hamilton’s vision for America. Without the thriving economy he established for us we may have been in huge debt earlier, with a worse outcome. This is why I think Hamilton left a more enduring vision for America.

Citations:

1. http://teachinghistory.org/history-content/ask-a-historian/24094

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton

3. http://www.shmoop.com/thomas-jefferson/vs-alexander-hamilton.html

4. American Vision Dating Game Packet

5. http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Hamiltonv

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I believe that Alexander Hamilton had the more enduring vision of the United States of America. He wanted a more industrialised economy, he wanted to establish a stronger financial position, and Hamilton wanted to free slaves. While Hamilton certainly did some things right, they aren’t as relevant in today’s society and most of the ones that are relevant were made possible because of Hamilton.

While Thomas Jefferson wanted a mainly agricultural economy, Hamilton wanted to have a more modern economy. He wanted some agriculture, but he also wanted to have plenty of focus on trading and manufacturing at the same time. The agricultural economy would lead to less money and less impact, and, Alexander’s vision of an economy is clearly more enduring, as his economy is more relevant today.

Alexander also wanted to establish a stronger financial system for the U.S.A. He wanted to use small debts with other countries to establish credit, to show that they are trustworthy. He wanted to set up a national bank, making it more convenient, and more efficient than smaller ones. On the other hand, Jefferson, wanted to pay off debts and not make new ones, while viable, isn’t as good considering it doesn’t help build relationships with other countries. And Jefferson also opposed a national bank, and at the same time opposed cities, calling them breeding pools of crime. It’s obvious who was more relevant.

Hamilton was a strong abolitionist and wanted to free slaves. Jefferson was a racist and while saying he was for equal rights for all men, clearly wasn’t. Alexander was a radical in his society. He believed that african americans could not only be free, but be equal in life. In today’s society, he would be considered a normal, however those thoughts were considered to be crazy back then. George Washington and James Madison who while having slaves, freed them on their deaths, Jefferson didn’t and Hamilton may or may not have owned slaves, it is not clear.

In conclusion, I believe that even though Jefferson did have a major impact, and a lasting vision of america, Hamilton’s was more enduring, and was the superior vision. His ideals were more relevant to today’s society, showing that he shaped it more with his ideas, proving their endurance.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I find it very hard to pick either of these men on which had better ideals, simply because they balanced each other out with their ideals, Hamilton with a better economy and Jefferson with better execution and social presence in my opinion. Whether either had better ideals wasn't the question though, it is who had the more enduring vision of the United States. Both men were extremists and very different, pretty much polar opposites in their views. Jefferson liked the common man, and socialized with them. He liked farmers, and wanted state government rather than central and wanted the United States to be rather rural than have cities in it. Hamilton was different, he saw the poor as incompetent and unfit to run the city, despite being a self made man and poor when young. Hamilton wanted industrial cities and a central government, like a modern day democrat.

I think that the question "Who had the more enduring vision of the United States?" goes to Hamilton, because it is his economy that is in effect today (and although it isn't quite working well right now) it did back then and has been for all of this time. Hamilton's views were more logical and futuristic, despite him feeling that way about the common man. If his views on industrialism and his economy weren't implemented the America we have today would in no way be the same. It would have a worse economy, and it would be rural. This isn't to say that Thomas Jefferson isn't smart, I mean he wrote the Declaration of Independence and made the Louisiana Purchase, it's just that Hamilton left a way more enduring vision of the United States.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

When people think of America today, they think of freedom, opportunities, and innovations. What they forget is with freedom comes great responsibility. I think Alexander Hamilton’s vision of America corresponds with what America is now. Hamilton envisioned a country with a strong economy, modernistic and a strong army, which America is currently known for. Due to his ideas and vision, America has a strong central government and is a world superpower.

Hamilton was George Washington’s former military aid. He designed the Treasury Department and the disbursing of public revenue, and promoted the economic development of the country. He wanted a balanced economy based on agriculture, trade, finance, and manufacturing which is what America is now. America is diverse, vicissitudinous and is always innovating cutting edge technology. These are traits that were highly favored by Hamilton.

On the other hand, if we lived in Thomas Jefferson’s world, we would live in a country with agriculture as its backbone, and the great country we currently live in would be a socialistic country. Socialism involves an economic system in which the means of distribution and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. However, currently we are living under capitalism- Hamilton’s vision of modern economy.

Due to Hamilton’s vision we live in a country where all men are equal. He lived by example - he did not just talk about believing in equality, he was an abolitionist who helped end slavery in New York, and New Jersey. Hamilton was not a hypocrite who talked about all men being equal, but then owning a bunch of slaves. Hamilton’s vision of a modern economy helped reduce the need for more slaves, who mainly worked on the plantations because there were not machines to help in agriculture especially on the farms. Hamilton’s vision led to the Industrial Revolution and the manufacturing of goods, which in turn helped with innovations. These innovations created easier ways to plant and harvest crops making slaves unnecessary.

Unfortunately, Hamilton’s contributions were mostly unnoticed, with most of the credit going to Thomas Jefferson. They were both great men with great ideas. Jefferson and Hamilton were like the sun and moon, sea and land. It was not their purpose to become each other, it was to recognize each other, to learn to see the other, and honor the individual accomplishments. They were each other’s opposites and compliments.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I am uncomfortable trying to choose between these two men who, where both great in their own ways. If you look around you today you will see Hamilton’s ideas for economy and strong central government, then if you look somewhere else you see Jefferson’s ideas on a Democratic government. They both balanced each other out in a way. If Hamilton wanted an industrialized America then Jefferson wanted a rural America. I’m not stating that they chose to be just opposites of each other but, I find it hard to compare to extremes of every problem.

Now the question is “Who had the more enduring vision of the United States? Hamilton or Jefferson?” Which can basically be loosely rephrased to “Do you want to be an extremist on this side or the other side?” In both their ideas and views you find great ideas and suggestions to how America should be, but I’ve found somewhere in the middle is where America needs to be. For example Hamilton wanted a VERY strong federal government while Jefferson wanted a loose one that only really mattered or even did anything in times of trouble and the state governments would run themselves in times of peace. But based on history from that time Hamilton’s strong government federal government is the reason we broke away from England. While Jefferson’s views on a VERY strong state government was obviously proved a terrible idea in the Articles of Confederation.

The one reoccurring thought I’m having while writing this is a thing that a coach always says to me, which is “talk is nothing, you can say you’re better or stronger than anyone but it means nothing, what really means something is action, action is what really matters.” I think this can directly apply to this debate of who left the more enduring vision because while Jefferson had great ideas of America, it was Hamilton who would put his own ideas into action, not Jefferson. Jefferson would talk down about slavery and still owned slaves, he literally wrote all men where created equal onto one of America’s most famous documents yet he still thought another race was below him. That’s why in the end I choose Alexander Hamilton, not because he was smarter or had better ideas than Jefferson. It is because Hamilton would directly put his ideas into action because, he would personally see all his ideas through because he wanted a more prosperous America.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

If you think about the world we live in today as Americans, you will notice that it is heavily dependent on the economy. Alexander Hamilton envisioned this type of economy over 200 years ago. He persuaded people to ratify the Constitution, and with the new type of government, he wanted to create a new style of economy.

When the ratification of the Constitution was in progress, a few Federalists wrote the Federalist Papers. One of these men was Hamilton. These papers were a series of essays that were some of the most persuasive documents ever written. They influenced many Anti-Federalists to change their mind and ratify the Constitution.

After the Constitution was signed, Thomas Jefferson and Hamilton had different views about what type of economy our nation should have. Jefferson wanted it to be based on agriculture, and he wanted to have no debt as a country. Hamilton, on the other hand, almost wanted the opposite of that. He wanted a lot of factories to be built, but he did not want to eliminate agriculture because he understood that both were important. Hamilton also wanted to have some debt. This debt could be used to build credit with other countries. He could owe a little bit of money, and then pay it back so that he could get more money next time.

Now, think about our modern economy and compare it to the economy that Hamilton envisioned. They are almost identical. Hamilton understood what our country needed to be successful, and he took action on it. It is obvious that Hamilton influenced the way our country grew.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

In my opinion Alexander Hamilton was better for our country in the long run because he knew that an ongoing source of revenue would be crucial to stabilizing the economy. He suggested that the federal government should pay off all Confederation debts at full value. Such action would dramatically enhance the legitimacy of the new central government. To raise money to pay off the debts, Hamilton would issue new securities bonds. Investors who had purchased these public securities could make enormous profits when the time came for the United States to pay off these new debts. He also proposed a national bank, this would help stabilize the economy of America. The third major area of Hamilton's economic plan aimed to make American manufacturers self-sufficient. When Hamilton left office he had left behind a more stable U.S. economy to back a strengthened federal government.

Alexander Hamilton wanted a strong central government because he knew it would create a more stable and functional government. He disliked state governments and believed that they should be eliminated entirely. In fact, Hamilton believed that the perfect union would be one in which there were no states at all. At the same time, however, Hamilton realized that eliminating the states was impossible, because there were too many other Americans who favored the rights of the states over a strong national government. Hamilton drafted a proposal for a new national government that would centralize power but still allow states to keep many of their rights.He also believed that the new government should be divided into three branches; the executive branch, the legislative congress, and the judiciary branch. Hamilton thought that dividing the government into three segments would provide checks and balances to prevent any one branch from becoming too powerful, and Hamilton also believed that by working together, the three different branches could centralize their power over the states. The executive of the government would be the President of the United States, and would be elected by a system of electoral colleges to serve a life term. Hamilton thought that by limiting the time they were in office they would not get very much accomplished and they would spent more time thinking about reelection rather than what is good for the nation. Clearly, Hamilton's system closely mirrored the British system of government, but it also closely resembles the form of government that the delegates in Philadelphia eventually agreed upon.

Hamilton rushed home to New York to begin his campaign to convince the people of New York to ratify the Constitution. This was very difficult because many state leaders and citizens feared that a strong national government would violate the freedom they had recently won from Great Britain. New Yorkers were essentially convinced that any new and stronger national government would eliminate their liberty. To combat the Anti-Federalists in his home state, Hamilton decided to write a series of essays to convince the people that the Constitution was essential to their liberty. Hamilton enlisted John Jay and James Madison to assist him in writing the essays, which were eventually published as pamphlets and magazine articles throughout the United States. On the average, four essays were published each week, and these became collectively known as the Federalist Papers. Historians do not know exactly how many essays Hamilton wrote, but it is believed that he wrote fifty-two on his own, and may have assisted in writing at least fifteen others.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

I am going to have to pick Alexander Hamilton. I just liked is enduring vision of the United States more.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

Grady Moyer

6th Period Gorman

I believe Alexander Hamilton had a more enduring vision of the United States of America, not only because Mr. Alex is better, butt because I think Mr. Tom is worse.

About January the eleventh 1755, Alexander Hamilton was born, early into his life he was already at the very bottom, a poor, rejected bastard, with nowhere to go but up. Alexander Hamilton was setting himself up for a first rate view of how to live the American dream. He was born ill-legitimately, so the church denied him schooling and membership. His school was the 42 books his family owned, which included Greek and Roman. Evan at such a young age "Alex" strove for the best and yearned for an education. At around 10 after his father had abandoned him and his mother imprisoned for adultery, Alex worked for his mother at her store, as clerk and bookkeeper. This gave him and early first-hand experience of finance and the value of money. Later on he also came to have a job as a clerk with the international trading firm of Nicholas Cruger, through his time as a clerk, Alexander Hamilton was fighting his way up the ladder.

His community saw his potential and sent him to North America to give him a good education. He began to attend kings college, and was just in time to witness rebellion and the Boston tea party. He searched around and did some research, and decided that Americas cause was justified, despite the loyalist school he attended. He then proceeded to publish his first writing, A Full Vindication of the Measures of Congress, speaking of the reasoning for the continental congress Mr. Hamilton was carefully choosing which side he was on after "fact searching". His current impact is about nothing, but it was all put to a good use, as his past became a big part of his future, and future reasoning.

Mr. Hamilton was then involved in the revolutionary war, and at the start of the war, organized an weapons company and was chosen as its "captain". After the war he was selected for the Congress of the Confederation, he resigned to found The Bank of New York. He strongly disliked the articles of confederation because they had no executive, court, and taxing powers. As the secretary of the treasury, during 1790 and 1791, he put a revenue system based on customs duties and excise taxes. Hamilton's attack on the debt helped secure the confidence and respect of foreign nations. He also introduced plans for the First Bank of the United States, which was designed to be the financial agent of the Treasury Department. The Bank served as a depository for public funds and assisted the Government in its financial transactions. The First Bank issued paper currency, used to pay taxes and debts owed to the Federal Government, the dollar bill. He also designed the mint, but lost a debate to Thomas Jefferson, so the mints went to a federal level.

Over the course of a lifetime one man was able to bring a country a strong navy and army, a tax system, a debt solution, a national bank, the mint, a canal system, and a sound operating system for the treasury. He also took a stand against slavery, freedom, and tyranny, supported a diverse economy, and spread its popularity. (But not only that, he created the swagest political party ever, the Republicans!) That is why I believe Alexander Hamilton left a more enduring vision of America.

Sources:

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/2011winterspring/hamilton-and-slavery.html

http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/biographies/alexander-hamilton/new-shore-tides-of-war-(1773-1777).php

http://www.treasury.gov/about/history/Pages/ahamilton.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

This is a tough fission though both sides have a love to see America grow and prospure unfortunately there can only be one winner for Americas heart! I believe that Hamilton had great business ethics and knows how to handle the situations dealing with money and economics. Jefferson however thought more with the heart then brain granted he was a smart man as well. I chose Hamilton not only for his business sense but he knew how to give a strong economy to America . Hamilton growing up he was a poor boy until his father wanted to be in his life sending him to the best schools, but one thing that I like that Jefferson had was never forgetting where he came from Hamilton turned his back on the poor but Jefferson never forgot what his parents taught him about being kind, noble, and selfless it was tees thoughts he had as he wrote "all men are created equal" which I found a little ironic after heating that Jefferson was a slave owner owning 600+ slaves and only freed 2 men personally gave freedom to 5 men in his will and allowed to unofficially free 3 slaves by let them run away without Pursuit . More than 600+ slaves and only freeing 10, 3 which ran away! Hamilton was active in opposing slavery when he was growing up his mother past away and left him and his brother two slaves they turned them down, this is jut one of the many Actions of refusing slavery that would soon come. Hamilton was a federalist which means he believed that trading and manufacturing is what would bring us progress in this would while Jefferson who was a republican believed in agriculture interest and values as a way to progress in this world he opposed of the national bank.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
1 point

There is two great people that have contributed to our country greatly. They created things in place that if we didn't have our country would fall apart. Don't get me wrong I like Jefferson but Hamilton in the long run gave us the best.

Hamilton hated poor people and the French. He wanted our government to be formed like the British.

Side: Alexander Hamilton
0 points

I believe Alexander Hamilton has a stronger hold of america and is a better choice for us. He has a strong economic view and favored a unified country. We live in Alexanders country now, he created America to what it is today.

Alexander Hamilton helped abolish slavery in America. Thomas Jefferson happened to own several slaves and treated them badly. Hamilton helped found the military while Jefferson was against the military but the military is our highest level of protection and we need that. I believe Thomas was against the idea of a strong healthy government and most of Hamiltons ideas. Hamilton opposed the federal government but fought for it and soon became there president.

Hamilton wanted america to be equal in farming and manufacturing. Jefferson wanted us to be a rural country but we wouldn't be were we are today if we went on his path because we would have gotten no were. Hamilton brought protection to america and we wouldn't have gotten that with TJ because he didn't believe in military protection so we would have all died.

Alexander Hamilton also brought our first national bank as Thomas wanted nothing to do with them and thought they were a bad idea for america. Hamilton brought wealth and nations to america and helped draft the constitution as did Thomas but he didnt live by his own words and thought other wise towards america. Thomas did bring a lot to the table when it comes to america yes but Hamilton treated and represents us better. Hamilton brought finance to us and is allowing us to be independent and a free country but with set limits that we absolutely need.

Hamilton represents america more opened minded to the constitution and the bill of rights and other important documents and thats why i chose Hamilton because we already live in his country and he is more of our founding father.

Side: Alexander Hamilton