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Barack Obama Sarah Palin
Debate Score:221
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Who has more experience?

Barack Obama

Side Score: 114
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Sarah Palin

Side Score: 107

Barack Obama has experience in dealing with national issues. As a senator every decision he makes affects the nation as a whole. Sarah Palin on the other hand has only had to deal with issues that were significant on a state and local level during her time as governor and mayor.

In addition, Obama represented Chicago during his time as a state legislator in the district that included parts of Chicago. This is a significantly larger population the either Wasilla Alaska, or possibly the whole state of Alaska.

Side: Barack Obama
headphoneguy(3) Disputed
1 point

Actually he doesn't he has or knows little about dealing with national issues and this is a misunderstanding on your part "as a senator every decision he makes affects the nation as a whole" since you don't seem to know politics at all what a senator votes on has no implication on the nation as a whole usually votes are made to resolve specific issues. And just because barrack Hussein obama was a state legislator it has no implication on experience as opposed to that of a governor.

Side: Sarah Palin
0 points
Side: Barack Obama
JakeJ(3254) Disputed
-1 points

What decisions has Obama made since he has been a senator?

-Besides running for president.

Side: Sarah Palin
jessald(1915) Disputed
2 points
Side: Barack Obama
3 points

It's obvious that Senator Obama is the one with more experience here. You simply have to look at the arena that the two politicians have been involved in. Obama has been a powerful player in the nations most competitive arena, while Palin has only needed to consider the Alaskan political arena, which is most certainly not as experience-inducing as congress.

Side: Barack Obama
headphoneguy(3) Disputed
1 point

Alaska is actually very involved in american politics Obama is young and inexperienced he even proves this currently by doing a horrid job at being president trying to make america socialistic

Side: Sarah Palin
1 point

Senator Obama has a lifetime of commitment to helping people, even before any political aspirations.

Excerpts from Wikipedia:

"Obama moved to Chicago, where he was hired as director of Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization... During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from one to thirteen and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens. Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute."

"Obama directed Illinois' Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of ten and seven hundred volunteers; it achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African-Americans in the state, and led to Crain's Chicago Business naming Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be."

And then there are his academic qualifications:

"Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988. At the end of his first year, he was selected, based on his grades and a writing competition, as an editor of the Harvard Law Review. In February 1990, in his second year, he was elected president of the Law Review, a full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the Law Review's staff of eighty editors. Obama's election as the first black president of the Law Review was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles. After graduating with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991, he returned to Chicago."

"Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, being first classified as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and then as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004."

And there are other reasons he's got more experience, but I'll leave it to you to read his biography.

Side: Barack Obama
fairfax68(48) Disputed
0 points

Senator Obama has a lifetime of commitment in helping people to vote early and often, as evidenced by his participation in Project Vote Smart and his association with ACORN. I wonder how many of those 150,000 to 400,000 unregistered African-American voters were duplicates? Bet it wasn't anything like the guy on the front page of the NY Post who was registered by ACORN 72 times though. Now that's experience you can hang your hat on.

Side: Sarah Palin
3 points

I think you don't understand the difference between voter registration and actually voting.

Acorn has to submit all registration forms that are filled out no matter how fake the name is. It's the law. What they do is tag those they think are fake.

These are just registration forms though. In order to vote you have to have a valid photo ID. I highly doubt that the person who registered 72 times will have 72 valid ID's. Other people also registered as Mickey Mouse. Do you think that someone is going to have a photo ID that says Mickey Mouse?

None of these fake registrations have any effect on voting, and in fact measures to purge databases because of these fake names actually end up disenfranchising more voters then they stop voter fraud.

So Fairfax, next time you decide to give an opinion, make sure you know what the fuck your talking about, you'd hate to come off looking like an idiot.

Side: Barack Obama
-3 points
1 point

Even I gotta say it, although Sarah is not near as dumb as we take her to be...

Barack has won it here...

Wait! He wins it everywhere! Haha

Side: Barack Obama
1 point

Obama has more experience. He has proven his every point during the campaign and all the past issues that surrounds him; reason why he's been elected as the new head of state. Palin is more experienced in dealing with how she can spend thousand of dollars on her expensive clothes and jewelries and finding ways to separate her daughter from her husband Levi Johnson.

Side: Barack Obama

It is now 2015 and Sarah Palin is no match to President Obama.

Side: Barack Obama
0 points

Btw...why did we make another "which president is better" debate? There are already numerous debates identical to this. Please stop making redundant debates; there is even a debate complaining about all these identical better-president debates.

Side: this is a redundant debate
2 points

Some are identical and some are not. I don't know if mine is the debate you're referring to but mine is not a "which president is better" debate. The Pyg took exception to the after all the rhetoric and debates are concluded...which of the candidates do you TRUST. Since most people here, like pyggy, think everyone is full of donkey dung during a campaign or this particular campaign, and this being such a close race, which candidate does your gut or heart tell you to trust is not a bad debate...but I'm biased, lol...it's my debate. The Pyg made the complaint debate right after mine!

Side: Barack Obama

Thanks for the downer thief!

Side: Sarah Palin
1 point

I wasn't referring to your debate; I was referring to this one (the one we're writing in right now). :)

Side: Sarah Palin
0 points

Because everyone wants the free books and is making debates left and right to gain points towards that goal. Why are you asking silly questions? Perhaps for the same reason? ;)

Side: Barack Obama
1 point

What free books? O.o There are free books?? O_O What are they?

And I haven't asked any silly questions so far; I first make sure it's a topic others will be interested in, and then check for any debates similar to it. Even my McCain vs. Obama ones are unique; few other of the presidential candidate debates addressed specific issues like economic policy, tax plans, or foreign policy. And I didn't find anything about offshore drilling in California...

Side: Barack Obama
0 points

Depends on what kind of experience you're talking about?

Supporting Evidence: celebrity?elite? hmm... (img129.imageshack.us)
Side: Barack Obama
0 points

I would definitely say Obama. Technically Palin does, but she has been in Alaskan politics, which are a little more docile than most of the other states so really Obama has more experience as far as problems.

Side: Barack Obama
0 points

Mccain has many years of experience he's been arizonas senitor for a very long time why'll obama his barley came to office out of no were do we really won't a preson that has no experience in the white house i dont really wont a other how you say cliton in the presidents seat again

Side: this is serouse
-1 points

Barack Obama definetly has more experiens. Palin is also well experienced but i don't like the way she thinks. Just like proving Obama wrong and encouruging women for abortion

Just my point iof view

Side: Barack Obama

Palin has more experience but it doesn't matter 'cause Obama's got this election wrapped up.

Side: Sarah Palin
Republican08(86) Disputed
4 points

Obama does not have it wrapped up. Everyone said that Kerry had it wrapped up in 2004.

Side: Barack Obama
6 points

I was trying to give them a false sense of security so they wouldn't go out and vote! You ruined everything!

Just kidding ;)

I'm just trying to remember the last time we had more than 8 years of any one party. I think it was in the 80's. The Republicans were in office for 12 years under Reagan and Bush senior. Ah, the good old days. Then the Democrats under Clinton for 8 years. Then the Republicans under Bush Junior for 8 years.

But the Republican party under the Reagan presidency had a higher approval rating than under the Bush Junior's presidency. That's why they got voted in for a 3rd term under the Bush senior presidency.

Today the Republican party doesn't fare so well because people feel that McCain means more of Bush Junior's doctrine (which they apparently hate).

There are 3 issues that can sway the vote one way or another.

1. Terrorism. We haven't had a terrorist attack on our soil since after 9/11 so people don't seem to care much about this any more.

2. Health Care. Whether McCain's plan and Obama's plan are similar or not doesn't matter. The economy is going to restrict what they can do.

3. The Economy. This one is the big one. Politicians take advice from the experts and then make a decision. The experts don't seem to agree on how to fix the problem and so the politicians will try to take a middle of the road approach. Who ever makes it to the white house will have to take an extremely tough test and there's no one they can cheat off of.

Here's an Obama quote I partially agree with:

Whoever is elected, Obama said: "The president's going to be tested. And the question is, will the next president meet that test by moving America in a new direction, by sending a clear signal to the rest of the world that we are no longer about bluster and unilateralism and ideology, but we're about creating partnerships around the world to solve practical problems."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/22/america/campaign.php?page=1

The reason I say partially is because if the freaking U.N. had the cajones to force Saddam into letting the inspectors in, we wouldn't have had this WMD crap. If the world does not want American unilateralism then it better take partnering with us a little more serious. If the world wants to play nice with us then Obama is our president. If not, then chose McCain.

HA! listen to me trying to be serious! Who am I kidding.

Vote for whoever is more photogenic. Whoever looks cool standing next to other leaders.

I would have loved seeing Sarah standing next to a Saudi prince and having the female population in his country go, "WTF? Off with this burka crap!" But then I saw a picture of Obama jumping off an exploding helicopter on a skate board and every hair on his head was perfectly in place. now that's cool! ;)

There. That's more like the Joe I know ;)

Side: Sarah Palin
4 points

obama has never lead anything and has never published any of his political and he was a professor before being senator so there isnt much leadership there in my opinion

palin has much more experience because she has had several different jobs where she is the leader such as mayor and govenor. so what if it was for a small town and small state. palin is a representative for the true americans.

unfortunately it doesnt matter because as joe cavalry said , this election is pretty much wrapped up

Side: Sarah Palin
3 points

'True Americans'? Are you saying those people who live in large cities and states are 'False Americans'?

Side: Barack Obama
Tamisan(890) Disputed
2 points

Palin thinks Africa is a country. Some leader she'd make!

Side: Barack Obama
3 points

Who has more experience, or who thinks they have more experience? Because when it comes to who thinks they have more experience, Sarah Palin takes the cake! I don't even think I need to put up a long debate saying how you can tell by the way she talks that she thinks everything she is saying is super sophisticated and correct even though it makes no sense at all. So before I stay up all night bagging on Palin, I'm just going to leave it at that and you can pretty much infer the rest if you watch any of her debate arguments or speeches in general.

Side: Sarah Palin
3 points

First of all, Obama doesn't have this election yet. Polls don't mean anything. And Palin has more experience than Obama. She makes day to day decisions as a governor while little ol' Obama voted present on most bills.

Side: Sarah Palin
jessald(1915) Disputed
3 points

"Obama voted present on most bills."

False.

Supporting Evidence: Fact Check (www.boston.com)
Side: Barack Obama
3 points

Palin has much more experience. She has led a state - Obama has zip. Community organizer... What?

Side: Sarah Palin
2 points

Actually he was a state senator and now is a U.S. senator. This means he makes national decisions. In case you weren't aware, Alaska is a very small state so any decisions Palin made affected a very small amount of people (less than one million). As a senator Obama's decisions affected the entire nation.

Also, what do you have against community organizers? Martin Luther King Junior was a community organizer and he did some pretty good things (to put it lightly).

Side: Barack Obama
2 points

not only does Sarah Palin have more political experience, but she has more executive experience.

doesn't really matter though, McCain has more experience than the two combined, and he's the one running for president.

Obama has the least experience of the 4, and that's what's most scary.

Side: Sarah Palin
Ray1103(10) Disputed
5 points

I would say that Obama has more experience. Yes, Gov. Palin does have more executive experience but she is in only in her first term of Governor. She has been governor for two years, and was put under invegsation when and it was found that she did abuse her power and broke a state ethics law. =/

Also, it does matter because if something happens to Sen. McCain can you imagine Palin being President? I've looked where she stands on some issues and I agree with her on some but, could you trust her with Foreign Policy? All she has done is met with world leaders.

Obama has foreign policy, yes not as much as Sen. McCain but more than Palin. Obama is a member of the Senate Forgein Relations Committee, which his running mate Sen. Biden is the chairmen. Obama is also the Charimarin of the Sub-Committee of European Affairs.

Obama was elected to the Senate in 2004. Member of the Senate maybe is not running a state like Sarah Palin has but, a Senator is someone voting on bills and on the Military acts. They get more tuned in with the issues. While Gov. Palin is running her state.

Side: Barack Obama
2 points

Palin's got WAY more experience than Obama and the media ignores it.

Side: Sarah Palin
3 points

You want to give us some reason and examples or just make baseless claims all day?

Side: Barack Obama

Sarah Palin has 16 years of political experience and has reformed government and taken on political corruption.

Obama has only 11 years of political experience and has developed connections with people like Rev. Wright, Pfleger, and domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. Obama is simply another Illinois democrat and we DON'T need anymore of those.

Take a look at the below video to see what he did to help his district in the state senate---he did nothing.

Obama's district
Side: Sarah Palin
Tamisan(890) Disputed
7 points

According to FactCheck.org:

We find McCain's accusation that Obama "lied" to be groundless. It is true that recently released records show half a dozen or so more meetings between the two men than were previously known, but Obama never denied working with Ayers.

Other claims are seriously misleading. The education project described in the Web ad, far from being "radical," had the support of the Republican governor and was run by a board that included prominent local leaders, including one Republican who has donated $1,500 to McCain's campaign this year. The project is described by Education Week as reflecting "mainstream thinking" about school reform.

Despite the newly released records, there's still no evidence of a deep or strong "friendship" with Ayers, a former radical anti-war protester whose actions in the 1960s and '70s Obama has called "detestable" and "despicable."

Even the description of Ayers as a "terrorist" is a matter of interpretation. Setting off bombs can fairly be described as terrorism even when they are intended to cause only property damage, which is what Ayers has admitted doing in his youth. But for nearly three decades since, Ayers has lived the relatively quiet life of an educator. It would be correct to call him a "former terrorist," and an "unapologetic" one at that. But if McCain means the word "terrorist" to invoke images of 9/11, he's being misleading; Ayers is no Osama bin Laden now, and never was.

The first to begin using the new line of attack against Obama was McCain's running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, after a lengthy article appeared Oct. 3 in the New York Times about Obama and Ayers:

Palin, Oct. 5: Our opponents see America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who would bomb their own country.

She's repeated the charge again and again at different campaign stops since then, citing the Times. What the Times article actually says, however, is this: "[T]he two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers." The Times says its review of documents and interviews with key players "suggest" that Obama "has played down his contacts with Ayers," but describes their paths as having crossed "sporadically" since their first meeting in 1995.

And far from palling around with Ayers, the two haven't spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Obama came to the Senate in January 2005, according to an Obama spokesman. He said the two last saw each other more than a year ago, when they accidentally met on the street in their Hyde Park neighborhood.

Obama addressed Palin's claim on Oct. 8, when questioned by ABC News' Charlie Gibson:

Obama, Oct. 8: This is a guy who engaged in some despicable acts 40 years ago when I was eight years old. By the time I met him, 10 or 15 years ago, he was a college professor of education at the University of Illinois. ... And the notion that somehow he has been involved in my campaign, that he is an adviser of mine, that ... I've 'palled around with a terrorist', all these statements are made simply to try to score cheap political points.

More at the link below

Supporting Evidence: Attacks on Obama's connection to a 1960s radical. (www.factcheck.org)
Side: Barack Obama
4 points

16 years??? I think you'd better check that since she's only in her first term as Governor of a state that has a very small population, virtually no infrastructure plus oil and gas which doesn't realy flow anywhere but in her dreams. The comparison between the two is quite ludicrous since they are running for two completely different offices.

Side: Barack Obama
Inkwell(328) Disputed
1 point

I believe you will find that she was in public service as an elected official prior to her term as governor. But I agree with your last point. If he wins, there is a 100% chance Obama will serve time . . . I mean serve as president (wink) but if McCain wins, there is a significantly smaller chance that Palin will serve as president. But when you put it the way you just did, Palin will be the perfect president after 4 years of Obama. She already has experience running a state with no infrastructure, energy that doesn't go anywhere and no population left. I think you are on to something!!

Side: Sarah Palin
waaykuul(321) Disputed
1 point

Obama was 8 years old when he "developed connections with people like...domestic terrorist Bill Ayers." Give me a break...I don't even remember who my school teachers were when I was 8 years old.

Side: Barack Obama
3 points

No, No Kuul! You've mis-read it. Barack Obama was only 8 years of age when Bill Ayers was at the height of his protest fever...lol!

Side: Barack Obama
Inkwell(328) Disputed
0 points

Unless you are eight years old that was the stupidest thing I have read on here. The bombing took place when Obama was 8. The relationship came later when he was an adult. The whole eight year old comment is typical Obama attempt to misdirect the issue. Ayers is a terrorist, not a child molester.

I take it back. My eight year old niece understood so even if you ARE eight, it was still the stupidest thing I have read on here

Side: Sarah Palin
1 point

and of course, just mass downvoting.

Side: Sarah Palin
Tamisan(890) Disputed
1 point

I have no idea what you are talking about or what your point might be.

Side: Barack Obama

That's what this site is for. If you don't agree with the masses (religion, politics, etc.) the group will chastise you.

Side: Sarah Palin

The senator who votes on bills, etc - or the governor. I'd say the governor.

Side: Sarah Palin