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God Government
Debate Score:25
Arguments:20
Total Votes:25
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Who has saved more people. God or the government?

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God

Side Score: 11
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Government

Side Score: 14
3 points

Everyone who is saved be it physically or spiritually is saved through the Mercy, Love, and Grace of God.

Side: God
Jace(5220) Disputed
1 point

Rationale? Proof? And by reason and evidence I expressly do not mean the Bible.

Side: Government
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

Those who have been blessed with faith do not need proof. We know we are right because we found God we are saved.

Side: God

God. God has saved me a few times. .

Side: God
Jace(5220) Clarified
1 point

Did God save you... or your belief in God?

Side: God
2 points

There is roughly a seven billion plus populace. Of that population, 88% of the human race is in the belief of a god and or higher power. Meaning that remainder, 6.2 billion people have principles based on a incomprehensible power. Most people who believe in a religious god will decide on how to act on situations through the religious ideological principles they own. So knowing that 88% of people make decision on morally right or wrong actions through a religious point of view. It indicates that their, "god" stops them from doing so. Meaning less bad things to happen from that point of view, so in a technical sense god saves more, even if the god they believe doesn't exist. While you also must think what saving means, in this question it indicates the continuation of a life. The government itself has made it to where it is ethical by law to lethally inject anyone who commits two felonies (capital crime). That in a sense indicates the ending of a life, not saving ones life. Most will think that taking that one life will continue the lives of many others, but the question itself is whether or not the government or god is saving more lives. As i said earlier 88% of the people save and decide the lives of others in a religious aspect. That leaves the 22% who are the ones who are probably the ones saving less lives. The government itself is preventing the 22% committing more acts. If you think about it, the high quantity of religious believers will slightly become effected by the the 22, even if each individual of the 22 commits more than one act. So, in my opinion god saves more, existent or non existent. God rarely influences someone to kill, on the other hand the government is persuaded by mere things such as money. Meaning, they will do what ever it takes to get the income, violence, destructive greed, indulging pleasures (drugs,) distractions, etc. How can something so easily influenced by that save more than, the ideological perceived god.

Side: God
Jace(5220) Disputed
1 point

You are painfully naive. Religion in practice is nothing like it's ideal, and historically it has been one of the foremost causes of violence and destruction (e.g. holy wars, genocides, discrimination, slavery, sexism, etc.). Religion resists reason and evidence, and indulges ignorance and insecurity. Far from being benevolent and charitable, the religious 88% are much more highly predisposed to the prejudice and divisiveness that drive violence than the non-religious 22%.

Religion and government are among the oldest bedfellows, and it is an exceptionally rare thing in human history to find a truly secular government let alone a government that has actually sided with atheism. Yes, governments are fueled by money and other power struggles and they all too frequently use exceptional violence and coercion to secure those ends... but religion is at least as dirty as government. Organized religion exists to concentrate power, subjugate large groups of people, and accumulate wealth. Religion goes to war for this, religion kills for this... and religion claims God asks for this.

Side: Government
1 point

I surprisingly agree with your statement. I have always thought of religion as a great emotion schism within humanity. Although i didn't take into consideration the fact that the government itself is religiously affected. I had the pieces of the puzzle but you really did help connect the jigsaw for me.

Side: Government
Kite626(714) Clarified
1 point

Although you did rationally dispute my statement. I still am left curios, what in your opinion; do you think influences the mass population to become saved from such acts?

Side: God
1 point

God has saved more people then the government. He saves people everyday when people convert to Christianity.

Side: God

GOD HAS DONE ALL OF THE KILLING AND ALL OF THE SAVING! END OF DISCUSSION!

Side: God

god cant even save the whales

only weak people believe in the power of god

Side: Government
2 points

The Government has saved alot of lifes. God have saved some but not many. I still remember when germany lose and we saved the jews and other religions.

Side: Government
2 points

You have to exist to save people. If god did exists he would have killed more people than all people combined.

Side: Government

Government is working on saving endangered Animals. God'snot. Government is working on stoping the Syrian civil war. Government is running the world. God'snot not.

Government is the reason why everyone exist today. Not this "God". It was Government who took down Adolph Hitler. Not this "God". Government is the real POWER in this world. Not no Imaginary friend.

Side: Government