CreateDebate is a social debate community built around ideas, discussion and democracy.
If this is your first time checking out a debate, here are some quick tips to help get you started:
Arguments with the highest score are displayed first.
Argument replies (both in favor and in opposition) are displayed below the original argument.
To follow along, you may find it helpful to show and hide the replies displayed below each argument.
To vote for an argument, use these icons:
You have the power to cast exactly one vote (either up or down) for each argument.
Once you vote, the icon will become grayed out and the argument's score will change.
Yes, you can change your vote.
Debate scores, side scores and tag scores are automatically calculated by an algorithm that primarily takes argument scores into account.
All scores are updated in real-time.
To learn more about the CreateDebate scoring system, check out the FAQ.
When you are ready to voice your opinion, use the Add Argument button to create an argument.
If you would like to address an existing argument, use the Support and Dispute link within that argument to create a new reply.
Wrong. Which enough force if you push two protons together you get more mass than the two initially started with. Therefore more was created out of the original sum of the two protons. Also false because lava creates rock. Water created ice. I guess temperature does that. Temperature has no conscience.
Nope. Two protons can slam together in space and created a higher mass. We understand what mass is now. Photons create light. They do not think at all.
I understand why you are saying this, the issue here is, if only consciousness can create, what created consciousness? Another consciousness? What about that consciousness? Another consciousness?
The fact is non-conscious things can create other things, in your head though, those non-conscious things only create because there is a conscious behind them, but if we are to accept that logic we have an.infinite string of consciousness.
I'm not totally convinced consciousness is necessary, I can see why one would think that but we often think that anything that has design to it must have a designor. Why? I have to think on the other hand can non-conscious things truly create other things? There is evidence for that, the big bang wasn't conscious yet it created our universe (well probably) it wasn't conscious, though you are going to argue that consciousness had to be apart of the big bangs creation to have it create something else, regardless the big bang probably formed pur unniverse without Amy input of creativity, there is no evidence of consciousness behind it. All in all prove consciousness is necessary.
That's just logic, if you reject logic than 2 + 2 doesn't equal 4. What reason is there to believe in something with no evidence or proof? Any other reason has no care for living in reality.
you want evidence of mathematics? grab two apples, count them, grab another two apples, count them, put them together and count them again... facepalm yourself for not realizing two plus two equals four.
The value has no name at all, no word or phrase, or symbol or any means of communication means anything at all whatsoever. we call the value four not because that is it's objective name but because everyone knows what others mean when they say four. Therefore it is not based on faith for me anyways, I call that specific value four because other people call it and associate the meaning of that value with the word four, honestly words meanings, language meanings, the meanings of all communication doesn't exist we just have an agreement with each other in specific parts of the world basically going "ok when we say X word we mean Y meaning". Not faith, because I don't believe it to be objectively true.
Man you are such a sore loser... the second you start to be proven wrong in an argument you result to adhominems without backing them up with evidence, in what ways am I just pulling logic out of my ass?
ancient writings aren't proof. If I write "There are rainbow unicorns breathing fire eating everybody from a supernatural nuclear fallout" and it was around a thousand years later, does that automatically count as evidence? How do you know that those scriptures aren't evidence?
Uncle cuthulu and cousin unicron had a daughter named DEMON, DEMON throw up the world after an excessive amount of partying with Dionysus's special's "200 proof", she went back to having an orgy with her brothers and pets, we have yet to see her since.
There is the likelihood that I am a sock-stealing gremlin, and it is very small. So therefore, you probably believe I am human. Or couldn't care less either way, but we usually accept what is most likely without even realising it.
It makes sense only on the scale that nothing is perfect. At least to us.
It makes sense because we're attributing humanistic values to a "deity"; we say, hypocrite, or judgmental, or unfair. ECT."
It makes sense if you view this deity as a deity that wants to be feared, wants to be loved, wants it's "people" to believe in it.
It makes sense when the world is so beauty yet so destructive.
It makes sense because humans are not perfect, yet so beauty at the same time.
It makes sense that mankind exists within an imperfect world, yet there are so many perfections within it.
It makes sense because if everything was always perfect, all of the time, always beauty, all of the time, always non hypocritcal; if humans had no idea of the "other side" of beauty (aka destruction, evil, ECT), then perhaps we'd be sippin tea chillin with 0 deaths in the world due to murder, or rape, ect.
It makes sense that all it's glory depends on how we view this deity.
It makes sense to me. To many it does not and they claim it's because of the destruction, the hypocrisy, the fact that people are mortal, the fact that people get raped, the fact that people are starving, the fact that there is evil, there fact that accidents happen, ECT. In this case it doesn't make sense, however, when looking at the bigger picture, it makes perfect sense. (I'm not saying you, or others, are necessarily NOT looking at the bigger picture...)
How do you know nothing created the Universe? Where is your evidence stating that the Universe was not created?
You are here now, correct?
You exist, correct?
For something to be existent, it is inevitable that it was created.
Meaning, in a timeline, there is A ("The Beginning of the universe), and B (Where existence is now) and C (Where the Universe is headed). And so, through process, B could not exist without A being there first, correct? And so, if anything, we were created by he Universe. Regardless if you want to call it God, The Big Bang, we are here because The Universe wanted us to be here. Inevitable. If the Universe did not want us to be here, we would not be existent. How do I know this? Because we exist.
How do you know nothing created the Universe? Where is your evidence stating that the Universe was not created?
Well there is no evidence that a God created the universe, also with our current understanding of the universe there is no need to assume one did. Depending on what God there are good reasons against it, there is an infinite amount of gods which could be formulated so you cannot disprove them all, but because we have no reason to believe anything supernatural exists then until then we should reject the claims.
You are here now, correct?
You exist, correct?
Yes I do exist.
For something to be existent, it is inevitable that it was created.
I wouldn't use the word created because people then try and say it needs a creator, which isn't the case. If something begins such as life, it doesn't need a creator. I prefer to use the word formed for life because while we don't know exactly how life began, we have good reasons to believe that it was formed through chemical processes.
Meaning, in a timeline, there is A ("The Beginning of the universe), and B (Where existence is now) and C (Where the Universe is headed). And so, through process, B could not exist without A being there first, correct?
I cannot see a problem with this, so I will agree.
And so, if anything, we were created by he Universe. Regardless if you want to call it God, The Big Bang, we are here because The Universe wanted us to be here.
When people use the term God, it is something supernatural. If you decide to call the beginning of the universe God then it is no longer what most people would consider God.
Saying we are here because the universe wanted us to be here, is implying the universe is a mind which wants certain things. There is no reason to think that, we are here through natural selection, if we started the clock again, we probably wouldn't be here, evolution is most simply put the most adapted to the environment survive, not some higher purpose that the universe wants us here.
Inevitable. If the Universe did not want us to be here, we would not be existent. How do I know this? Because we exist.
Us being here is evidence that we are here, not that the universe wants us here, I don't see why you are implying the universe wants things.
There are natural disasters day in and day out, there is so much shit going on in the Universe, as the Earth is still standing. Sure, compared to "how old the Universe is", it's relatively small (our existence/Earth that is), however, things have a beginning and an end. And because of this, I feel The Universe has a beginning and an end, an almost infinite loop. Further, because we're still here, tells me, nature does not want us not to be here anymore. Because Earth, humans, animals, are existent, I say The Universe is cool with us, at least for now.
I digress. .
The reason why I use the word "created" is because I do believe a deity created us, however, even if I use a non supernatural term (The Universe), it still applies. (As stated before, and above)
So therefore, whichever way I look at it, we're here. And for something to be "here" (or then and now or in the future) means The Universe allowed it to be, and it just was. And for something to be, means it was there, and I attribute the "word" creation because I believe it so.
A (The "beginning of our Universe", B (The "present", humans, animals, life where we are now) and C (The future - where the Universe is heading)
"B" cannot exist without "A" being there, natural order.
And so because "B" cannot exist without "A" being existent before it, then it is safe to assume that "B" needs "A" to exist.
And so, "A" must be before "B" and "B" after "A", therefore, "B" was created because in logic, you cannot have "B" be without "A" being existent first.
In short, because there is an A, B and C. It's natural to believe something created "it" (US, LIFE).
To believe there was chaos and by chance nature naturally provided order from chaos, is a bit far fetched.
Compared to.
Believing that from chaos, order was set in motion by some...thing, deity, whatever, is far more natural for a human mind than to consider otherwise.
And so, "A" must be before "B" and "B" after "A", therefore, "B" was created because in logic, you cannot have "B" be without "A" being existent first.
...haha nice try, >>>therefore B was created...<<<
Just blobs build on other blobs linking itself over and over again.
Creatards must love circular logic with fake arguments :D
It's fine, not every person can, but many already feel it and know it they don't can't pin point why and how. Hm...it's alright Nox0.
And by Creatards I'm ASSUMING you mean the Judaist Christian point of view, correct? I'm not even speaking of Christianity concepts. You it seems clump ideas and people together...Well, excuse me if I'm wrong about the presumption, but fuck you for calling me a "Creatard" just because you do not understand a simple concept within logic.
They're hardly blogs, they are plasticity, and they are lucid.
It's alright Nox0, one day you'll understand the concept, and then make a decision to not believe in it verses what you do now. And that is claim it's "blobs, and "tard", and "fake", when you don't have a clue, or try, to understand this logic and reasoning.
You quickly form a decision based upon your judgmental thoughts, or shall I say you "shot the gun", as in, you surpassed crucial ideas, concepts, realities, and create your own world, based upon the world around you.
You're a GRADE A asshole. I bet you understand that quite well.
Believe that all you want, I've got no qualm with you. You're a tiny fish in the big ass ocean, the bigger picture. You're just some bullshit person I encounter online every now and again. You think you're the first person I've encountered to say exactly what you said? Please, man, woman, whatever the fuck you are.
I prefer knowledge and intelligent that is the here and now, that's what I want, that's what I desire. I don't proclaim what happened years ago, I claim what I know now and what Is happening now.
Go ahead and bring up the past, the ancients, those that were before us. The issue is not them, it is us, people like you and are, like the rest of the world, and everyone in it.
Most of believers are ashamed of people like you, the rest just laughs.
So now you think you know believers? Lest the majority of what believers believe. HAH! .....
