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 Who is the Anti-Christ? (10)

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Who is the Anti-Christ?

I must say that speculation on this is absurd, yet humorous - the reason for this debate.

Scharzenegger, Bush, Obama, Biden, Elizabeth, Benedict - anybody in a position of authority *is* the Anti-Christ. When they finish office, their successor miraculously *becomes* the Anti-Christ, and so on and so on.

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The Bible states that the anti-christ and false prophets are among us today, (Matthew 24:23-26), (I John 2:18-22), (I John 4:3), (II John verse 7). (Matthew 7:15). There is one still to come that is to be fierce, leaving trails of blood like nobodies business. There is so much history to go through to try and explain but I'll try to keep it short. All life form began in the motherland Africa. I know we would like to say that blacks and whites come from two totally different worlds but that is so far from the truth. Africa has over 200 different languages, consisting of different tribes and different cultures. Through DNA today a lot of people no matter what race you are can trace their heritage to a tribe in Africa. In earlier times God led Abraham from his family and promised that he will be a father of many nations and kings shall come out of his descendants (Genesis 17:1-6). God kept His Word but we did not obey His every command. So the LORD sent a new King to take over all the responsibilities our forefathers could not keep. Who's name is Joshua(Jesus)Christ. Joshua is the actual name in hebrew meaning 'He will save'. In hebrew its pronounced Jeshua (Zechariah 3) and (Revelations 5:6). There are people in the government that tore down Jerusalem and exiled the Jews to different countries and also killed and left to starve to death. Unfortunately they claim to be Jews themselves of which you cannot totally dispute because they are relatives of the twelve tribes of Israel. Such as the Moabites(Sudan) and Ammonites their Abrahams nephew Lots children (Genesis 12:1-4) and (Genesis 19:32-38). As years passed their families split up and became enemies, around the time when God led Moses and Israel out of Egypt (Numbers 31). Might I add these are Africans. The Midians are Africans; son of Shem also known as Eber the Persians (Iran) and the earth was divided into races their called Indo-european (Genesis 10:25) They are mediums they practice sorcery and astrology and witchcraft (Numbers 22:7-8). Asshur (Genesis 10:22) It says that Asshur is a descendant of Shem but it doesn't give his lineage that is because their found in the sons of Ham section(Genesis10:6). Asshur also built the kingdom called Nineveh (Genesis 10:11). Asshur today is called Greece, and the Bible speaks a lot about how Asshur was chosed to have a dominant trait which God gave him to punish hypocritical nations (Isaiah 10), but Asshur got proud and Judgement shall come as it says in (Isaiah 10:26) and (Habakkuk 3:7). The Midian at the rock of Oreb had an earthquake. In (Isaiah 14) It refers to Babylon as to a fallen angel and Asshur as a fiery serpent. Remember Asshur built Nineveh, in (Nahum 1:11) there will be an evil counsellor that will come from that nation. The Bible also refers to Babylon along with other cities as the land of Shinar (Genesis 10:10). Read (Zechariah 5:5-11) To let you Know in the Hebrew language Ephah means a grain measure and also a medianite. That connects the medianites to Babylon as a woman. (Revelations 14:8) and (Revelations 17:5-18). In conclusion, these are a few of the nations that turned against Israel read (Psalm 83) Even Tyre turned against Israel and he's the eldest of the twelve tribes his name is Reuben (Genesis 29:32 also; Numbers 1:20). (Jeremiah 23)

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A much more important question, if you are a cow, is who is the Anti-Krishna.

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Who_is_the_Anti_Krishna

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Why are you so adamant on who kill cows? When people are being killed over oil and gold and other financial gain. I watched a show about a girl who lost her sister to a violent crime and later in life she became an animal activist. I can understand her trying to become passionate over something. It seemed as though she was trying to compare killing animals to the way her sister was killed. But I must say an animal and a human are not to be compared. But if you would like to can a animal give a point of view? Express a deep compassion for their loved ones? Not to sound insensitive about animals, but why don't we give more attention to the human life that can't find comfort in their own kind.

TERMINATOR(6781) Disputed
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I believe that he was trying to make a joke. I'm not sure about Buddhists, but Hindus are completely against killing cows. I recall my Onkel telling me about a war against India were the attackers, in order to gain the upper hand against the Indians who vastly outnumbered them, killed cows. The Hindus, not wanting harm to come to the cows, gave up, as I recall. I read about a place in India where they issued ID cards to the cows to make sure that none of them end up crossing the border, where they could be killed.

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Nobody. The Anti-Christ is non-existent nor will he ever exist. It's just a bogus prophesy from a 2000 year old book.

Side: Non-Existent

i belive we ant know until the rapture has happend and although i wish i could say obama is it wouldnt be true

Side: we dont know yet
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I read a book called "The Seventh Seal" by the portuguese author and reporter "José Rodrigues dos Santos", in which the character learns about how the hebrew numerology was used in the time the bible was written and before that to convert words into numbers for varied reasons.

I don't remember the details, but he pointed out that the name Neron had the value of 666 and the name Jesus 888. The fact that 888 was a higher number symbolized how the people who calculated it considered Jesus to be above the emperour Nero (which isn't surprising considering they were christians).

As a conclusion, from the character in the book, Neron Kaiser was the true anti-christ.

I couldn't really do the same math myself, mostly because there's multiple variations of numerologies and, if I recall correctly, of hebrew too, and, being a complete layman at hebrew I couldn't find the correct data to evaluate. However, it seems to make sense, as the emperour Nero was probably the biggest threat for christ and for the christians.

EDIT: Actualy, I just found this: http://ostrakinos.wordpress.com/2006/06/ 06/neron-kaiser-the-calculated-beast/

And this: http://www.math.harvard.edu/~elkies/mp666.html

But none of them points towards sources of hebrew alphabets or something that could bring us to do the math for ourselves... which is annoying...

Side: we dont know yet

I think this talk of an Anti-Christ is a shibboleth. There is not going to be an Anti-Christ.

Side: we dont know yet
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We are going to look at the prophecies of antichrist, to see whether the Catholic Church fulfil any of them. The first one being found in Revelation 13:1.

'And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads.... and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.'

Blasphemy number 1:

The Jews speaking to Jesus, said "For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." John 10:33.

Does the Pope claim to be God on earth?

"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." Catholic National July 1895.

"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" ...Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894,

"For thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husbandman, finally thou art another God on earth." Labbe and Cossart's "History of the Councils." Vol. XIV, col. 109

The title "Lord God the Pope" is found within a gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4

In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (Our Lord God the Pope) can be found in column 153. In a Paris edition, they are found in column 140.

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." - Pope Pius V, Quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXII, p218, 'Cities Petrus Bertanous'.

Blasphemy number 2:

They again, speaking of Jesus, said "Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?" Luke 5:21.

Does the Pope have power to forgive Sin?

The Vatican declares : "This judicial authority will even include the power to forgive sin." The Catholic Encyclopedia Vol 12, - article "Pope" page 265

"And God himself is obliged to abide by the judgment of his priest and either not to pardon or to pardon, according as they refuse to give absolution, provided the penitent is capable of it." -Liguori, �Duties and Dignities of the Priest�, p.27

The prophecy has been fulfilled!

Daniel the prophet wrote of a beast that shall come in the last days, and he wrote that:

"...he (the beast) shall.. think to change times and laws:" Daniel 7:25.

The Vatican Declares:

"The pope has the power to change times, to abrogate (change) laws." -Decretal, de Tranlantic Episcop Cap. (The Pope can modify divine Law.) Ferraris Ecclesiastical Dictionary

"The Pope is of great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine Laws."- Lucius Ferraris, Prompia Ribliotheca,

"Papa," art. 2. translated.

Bible says "Keep Holy the Sabbath day" Catholic church says "No, by my divine power, I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep the first day of the week."

History of the Sabbath p802

The Prophecy was fulfilled:

"Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observerance can be defended only on Catholic principles ... From beginning to end of scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from last day of the week to the first."

- Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900

Another prophecy of the Antichrist is below:

Revelation 17:3

'...I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,

...having seven heads'

A woman = a church in prophecy. (See Jeremiah 6:2)

Note: The Christian church is considered the bride of Christ in; Ephesians 5:25-27; 2 Corinthians 11:2 and Revelation 19:7-9, 21:1,2

A Beast = A nation in prophecy. (See Daniel 7:17)

Now the apostle John states that this beast, (Nation) that this woman (Church) is sitting on has seven heads. What do the seven heads represent in prophecy?

In Revelation 17 :9, the angel actually tells John what the seven heads represent.

"The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."

(Mountain is also defined as hill)

The Prophecy again has been fulfilled!

Catholic Encyclopedia p529

"It is within the city of Rome, called The city on seven hills, that the entire area of vatican state proper is now confined."

In Revelation 17:8, we find 3 prophecies.

'...behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.'

History will show a nation that:

Was in power at one time

Is not in power at one time

Yet is back in power

(remember that the vatican is both a church and state/political power. e.g. Vatican City)

The Vatican was:

"Vigilius...ascended the papal chair (538 A.D.) under the military protection of Belisarius." - History of the Christian Church, Volume 3, p327.

Was Not:

"In 1798 General Berthier made his entrance into Rome, abolished the papal government, and established a secular one." - Encyclopedia Britannica 1941 edition.

Yet is:

"...this morning there was another sovereign independent State in the world. ...Premier Mussolini ...Cardinal Gasparti, ...signed the sovereign independent State of Vatican City into existence." - New York Times, July 7, 1929.

The Prophecy was fulfilled because:

The Vatican

Was a power 538AD - 1798AD

Was not a power 1798AD - 1929AD

Yet is a power since 1929AD

The next prophecy is found here:

Revelation 13:17,18

'...the name of the beast, or the number of his name, ... is the number of a man; and his number is six threescore and six.'

All popes carry the same name/title.

Inscribed on the Pope's Miter is this:

Vicarivs Filii Dei. (Latin for Vicar of the Son of God)

All Pope's carry this title.

The interesting thing about the Latin language is that it is both their Roman alphabet and their Roman numerical system.

Vicarivs = 112 Filii = 53 Dei = 501 = 666

V=5

I=1

C=100

A=0

R=0

I=1

V=5

S=0

F=0

I=1

L=50

I=1

I=1

D=500

E=0

I=1

The prophecy again has been fulfilled!

One more Prophecy is:

Revelation 17:12

"...ten Kings, ...recieve power as kings one hour with the beast."

This says that just before the end, the Vatican shall seperate the world into 10 kingdoms. Have they done this?

"The club had it's beginnings in April of 1968, when leaders from ten different countries gathered in Rome.. The organization claims to have the solutions for world peace and prosperity...

The Club of Rome has been charged with the task of overseeing the regionalisation and unification of the entire world..."

"The Clubs findings and recommendations are published from time to time in special, highly confidential reports, which are sent to the power- elite to be implemented. On 17th September 1973 the Club released one such report, entitled 'Regionalized and Adaptive Model of The Global World System'... The document reveals that the Club has divided the world into ten political / economic regions, which it refers to as 'Kingdoms'."

The world has been quitely seperated into 10 kingdoms.

1 Canada and United States of america

2 European Union - western Europe

3 Japan

4 Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel, Pacific Islands.

5 Eastern Europe

6 Latin America - Mexico, Central and South America.

7 North Africa and Middle East.

8 Central Africa

9 South and Southeast Asia

10 Asia

This is now about 8 prophecies I have shared with you. All 8 have been fulfilled by the Roman Catholic Church.

There was a study on the prophecies in the Bible concerning the Messiah (Jesus the Christ).

If there were only 8 prophecies in the Bible for Jesus to fulfil, this is what is said:

"We find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 10 (17th)". That would be one in 100,000,000,000,000,000." by Majorie Lewis Floyed, signs of the end, August 1976, as quoted from Peter Stoner's book "science speaks" Moody Press 1963.

To let you understand the odds in Jesus fulfilling all 8 prophecies, picture the entire state of Texas (263,000 square miles) in 2 feet deep of silver dollars, mix in one red coin into the pile, then blindfold a man, set him anywhere in that state and allow him as much time as he wants to pick up the red coin. This man must be 100% accurate on the very first go, that is how amazing Christian prophecy is. So the same odds must apply to Antichrist as well.

Why have I bothered to share my research on the identity of the Antichrist?

The Mark of the Beast! Because prophecy identifies the Roman Church as the Beast, then obviously the Roman Church must have a mark of authority. What is this mark?

"Sunday is our MARK of authority. . .the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact" Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act... And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.

"It was the Catholic church by the authority of Jesus Christ, which has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic church." - Mgr, Segur Plain Talk about Protestantism of today page 213

What does God say concerning His Seventh Day (Saturday)Sabbath?

"And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God." Ezekiel 20:20.

"It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed." Exodus 31:17.

First of all, we notice that the 4th commandment, is the sign of who we worship. In fact, the 4th commandment is the only Commandment that claims God is the creator of all things (the true God). Exodus 20:11. Satan wants your worship, he wants to be like God. ("I will be like the most High." Isaiah 14:14.) So he makes a false Sabbath (sunday). This sign, or mark is evidence that you either follow God, or Satan. So yes, if the Roman Church is indeed the Antichrist, then SUNDAY Sabbath is in fact the Mark of the Beast. In the past, the Roman Church persecuted those who didn't bow down to the Pope. It may seem unlikely to happen again to us, but because prophecy is so accurate in the Bible, I wouldn't be surprised to see the church go back to it's old ways.

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Side: we dont know yet