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Steve Jobs was a billionaire. Get over your envy. Did he steal a single dollar from anyone? No, people entered into a voluntary transactions with him because they wanted a product he created. He took risks. Some will argue that his workers deserve all the credit. But when his company was about to go bankrupt, his workers didn't share the financial risk, instead they chose to take a paycheck. He risked his capital, his money, while others chose a sure paycheck. Not a single worker can legitimately complain about his wealth. He paid them what they agreed on and he made a product that many people can't live without.
Steve Jobs has created literally millions of jobs. Not just at Apple, but for cell phone companies, computer stores, and app developers. He created wealth, whereas socialism can only take it away. And as a result of his wealth creation, far more people are wealthy today than would have been if the Iphone had never been invented.
Why is it that in socialist countries like Venezuela and Cuba that the only wealthy people are those who run the government? Steve Jobs did a better job of making other people wealthy than entire socialist countries have.
Parasitism is s form of symbiosis in which one organism (called parasite) benefits at the expense of another organism.
Exactly. If you think the benefits of capitalism flow downwards rather than upwards it can only be because you are intellectually defective. The people at the top of the pyramid benefit from the work being done by the bottom of the pyramid, not the other way around. That is why the top one percent of the pyramid owns 40 percent of the pyramid.
Wrong. Jobs and opportunities are created by the capitalist/entrepreneur and that benefits all who want to work. Those who don't want to work are the parasites who feed of those who do.
Wrong. Jobs and opportunities are created by the capitalist/entrepreneur
No, you have it backwards. The capitalist/entrepreneur creates opportunities for himself. Capitalism is not a charity. The capitalist/entrepreneur employs people because he is incentivised by the fact he will legally be permitted to steal the profit generated by their hard work. In order to con them into believing he is not stealing from them, the capitalist/entrepreneur compensates them with an amount usually equal to one dollar for every hundred dollars their individual work produces.
I understand that you are probably not very good at either English or math, but nowhere on Earth is it correctly considered an "opportunity" when someone else takes 100 dollars from you and gives you back a dollar.
Who is the parasite: Mr I want to keep what I earn, or Mr entitled to free stuff?
Bronto, the way you load and distort language in your favour is reminiscent of a type of comedy known as a farce.
We have had this conversation many times, so you have got precisely no excuse to be turning the same facts upside down. You are misrepresenting both capitalism and socialism to the point that you are superimposing them over the top of one another.
Capitalism is an economic pyramid system. The "wage" which workers earn is a tiny percentage of the value their work produces. The majority of this value is stolen by people like you, who falsely claim it to be theirs.
Socialism is the solution to people like you, who exploit the hard work of other people for your own gain. It proposes to give workers back 100 percent of the value their individual work produces.
Hence, one can quickly see how you are turning factual reality upside down. You are stealing from people, and when people want their money back you call it theft.
You're a waste of time. No wonder Andy banned you. I have never in all my life met such a liar.
So is the socialist state. The difference is capitalism creates a natural hierarchy based on not being fat and lazy and stupid and socialism creates an artificial one based on everyone either being a slave or a part of the state.
The "wage" which workers earn is a tiny percentage of the value their work produces.
Prove it. And don't use some specific isolated example, you are claiming this is generally true of capitalism.
It proposes to give workers back 100 percent of the value their individual work produces.
Funny how that never happens. Instead socialist countries exploit the working class even more.
I would recognise you anywhere Bronto. It's fairly easy. In any given crowd, you will be the most stupid one.
So is the socialist state.
No it isn't. Socialists want the precise opposite of economic hierarchy. That's the reason socialism was invented in the first place you laughably stupid halfwit. As a solution to the exploitation of the working class by stupid, lazy, upper class morons like you who think the world owes you a living.
The difference is capitalism creates a natural hierarchy
Ahahahaha! Right buddy. It's "natural" that people with IQs of 160 and biceps the size of small elephants end up dying of starvation or dysentery in Uganda, or Rwanda, or Nigeria, because they don't have enough money to feed themselves. You're just absolutely pig stupid. Not even worth my time arguing with you. I'll lose ten IQ points just by engaging you.
Socialists want the precise opposite of economic hierarchy.
Then show me an example of socialism without hierarchy. Go ahead, I'll wait. Every socialist country is brutally hierarchical and authoritarian.
stupid, lazy, upper class morons like you who think the world owes you a living.
lol. So the stupid, lazy ones are the ones who go out and earn a living for themselves instead of bitching obaut how the system "is like totally against us man" on the internet. That's richer than every person you hate for being more successful than you combined.
It's "natural" that people with IQs of 160 and biceps the size of small elephants end up dying of starvation or dysentery in Uganda, or Rwanda, or Nigeria, because they don't have enough money to feed themselves.
People who are starving typically don't have IQs of 160 or biceps the size of elephants because it takes nutrients to maintain those things.
Then show me an example of socialism without hierarchy.
Show me an example of a capitalist country without exploitation.
A completely classless society is obviously a very long term goal, so even if it is possible we wouldn't see it just spawn the second socialists take over a country. It could possibly take centuries to fully manifest.
Every socialist country is brutally hierarchical and authoritarian.
Not only is that not true, but when it is true it's not due to any inherent flaw in socialism. All that is being demonstrated is the flaws inherent in revolutionary/statist socialism.
Show me an example of a capitalist country without exploitation.
"Exploitation" can be a very subjective term.
A completely classless society is obviously a very long term goal, so even if it is possible we wouldn't see it just spawn the second socialists take over a country. It could possibly take centuries to fully manifest.
Excuses. You sound like a sniveling little bitch ignoring the fact that millions die every time you people try to make things loving and equal and happy for everyone by centralizing all production and media in the hands of the all powerful state.
All that is being demonstrated is the flaws inherent in revolutionary/statist socialism.
So you're going to start an equal utopia by sprinkling fairy dust on the people who own their own things and wishing away their desire to keep them? That's not how it works, which is why you need the state to make the bad successful people give up what they earned and built.
That sounds like an excuse right out of the mouth of a Chinese factory owner.
You sound like a sniveling little bitch ignoring the fact that millions die
Shut the fuck up you retarded fucking ass wipe. I am going to steam press your nuts and keep them in my arts and crafts folder. Have you ever thought to add up anyone who has died in poverty, in slavery, in prison in a capitalist country etc. and blame every single death directly on capitalism? That is essentially the same logic behind putting the blame for everyone who has ever died in a gulag, in a famine in socialist countries, or in war with socialist countries etc. directly on socialism. That is where you get your statistics from, capitalists who want to make socialism look as bad as possible, so they blame any and every death that occurs on socialism/communism itself.
you need the state to make the bad successful people give up what they earned and built.
Owning things is a very subjective concept. If no one believed you own anything, would you really own it anywhere other than in your own head?
Capitalism has been here for hundreds of years and millions of people are still starving. What's your excuse for that?
You sound like a sniveling little bitch
You sound like you've got nothing intelligent to say about any topic.
millions die every time you people try to make things loving
I adore how you are pretending millions haven't died under capitalism. Your stupid shtick is very simple. If it is good you say it is right wing capitalism. If it is bad you say it is left wing socialism. You're a political hack and it's sad to witness just how much of an extremist you are.
Capitalism has been here for hundreds of years and millions of people are still starving. What's your excuse for that?
Less people are starving thanks to capitalism. More people starve under socialism than any other ideology. Capitalism has created more abundance than ever before, and the only way you could deny it is by dishonestly citing the raw number of people in poverty without taking into account that the total population is way higher, which is exactly what you were about to do.
That's objectively false to the point it is laughable. There are seven billion people on the planet today, compared to 1.6 billion in 1900. You are making up your own fake facts.
More people starve under socialism than any other ideology.
Also objectively false, as proven by the global Quality Of Life Index. Of the top ten countries on the list, eight are predominantly socialist, or have major socialist aspects to their economy. America, conversely, only places thirteenth on the list:-
There are seven billion people on the planet today, compared to 1.6 billion in 1900.
LOL you did exactly what I said you would do. Pathetic. Pathetic and intellectually dishonest. You just came at it from an angle that attempts to frame me as the one not acknowledging the population increase, when in reality you are committing the same fallacy I predicted. You are citing the total number of people starving and pretending that has any relevance, when person for person there is far less poverty.
I think socialism has been thoroughly owned today. Privately owned I might add.
You said I'd bust you for lying? Well done. Give yourself a gold star.
Pathetic. Pathetic and intellectually dishonest.
So, just to clarify, lying isn't intellectually dishonest, but pointing out that you are lying is? Thanks for letting me know. I'll be sure to take that on board next time I feel like laughing at someone's sheer, unadulterated stupidity.
A completely classless society is obviously a very long term goal
But obviously he ignores that the entire point of socialism is to create a classless society, because it doesn't fit in with his deliberate misrepresentation of it.
