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 Who's really in charge of the Republican Party? (20)

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Who's really in charge of the Republican Party?

It's seemed to me that there have been various elements & special interest groups that have been competing for the "soul" of the GOP recently.  Newt, Rush (and some of his racist followers), the birthers, Glenn Beck (and his Tea Bagger mob), a few members of Congress (not really McCain, since he lost in 2008), Palin & Huckabee (and their respective, mostly religious, followers), Romney, and the ever-erratic Michael Steele.

Who's really leading the charge for the GOP these days?

 

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Unfortunate, it is the same group that runs the Democrats as well. They are the lobbyist. This is the group that runs the country. The one that buys the most influence wins in the end. Oil money bought Bush's two elections. Oprah bought the present seat. Right now the Republican party is being run by those that will lose out if health care is changed. Drug companies, insurance companies, and all those that profit from a broken system. In case you haven't noticed Fox is being brought to you by Pfizer.

Side: Lobbyist
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
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"Oprah bought the present seat."

She did...how?? It's not like Obama got anywhere near a majority of his cash campaign support from her.

"Right now the Republican party is being run by those that will lose out if health care is changed. Drug companies, insurance companies, and all those that profit from a broken system. In case you haven't noticed Fox is being brought to you by Pfizer."

Well, this may be part of it, but I would argue that the GOP has always been allied with these folks. Also, quite a few Dems take money from some of these same people as well. I think you need to dig a little deeper.

Side: I dunno
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
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In case you didn't notice, I said both parties are boughten.

Side: Lobbyist
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Republicans are.

I guess that's the real problem. The Republican Party is really just a walking contradiction. They say they want limited government yet they want government to ban what they find immoral.

So many people bitch about who's leading the Republican Party. If they really look at it, it's just Republicans and they're crazy beliefs. Don't get me wrong, Democrats are just as bad, and they're the ones in charge; but Republicans have so many opportunities to become a Logical Party, but they're too fuckin' stupid and blinded by ideology to do so. Same thing with Democrats.

But I guess the worse thing about Democrats is that they are completely Authoritarian. They WON'T legalize gay marriage, they WON'T legalize any kind of drugs (not even marijuana), they WON'T legalize prostitution, gambling, or any other vices. And, they believe in massive government regulation over the people's property. The only thing they've been able to limit government on is abortion. Thanks... I guess (in case I ever get a chick pregnant and I REALLLY don't want it, w/e).

But, all of this goes back to Human Nature. While we fought for the rights of the people not to be trampled by a tyrannical government, the people themselves are too fuckin' pussy to handle freedom. Every time they get offended or get scared, they say "well, government should ruin lives so that I'm less offended and scared".

This is why Republicans are dominated by moral barriers. The party of Lincoln (which did believe in stronger government, it didn't believe in an interfering government) should be the structure that Republicans follow. But look at the stupid shit they bitch about (gay marriage, censorship, vices). Complete bullshit.

While I disagree with the Libertarian Party on some key points, I have to say that they are the most consistent party with taking back America to it's Constitutional origins. And, this is why more and more Republicans (who can see bullshit) are becoming Libertarians.

Side: Republicans
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
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Which Republicans are really in change though?? While I would agree with much of what you say about the GOP, you really haven't answered my original question, which I'd really like to have an answer to...from people within the Party particularly.

"But I guess the worse thing about Democrats is that they are completely Authoritarian. They WON'T legalize gay marriage, they WON'T legalize any kind of drugs (not even marijuana), they WON'T legalize prostitution, gambling, or any other vices."

Ummm, really?? Gay marriage HAS been legalized in some states, mostly through the efforts of progressives. Also, while I disagree that pot should be totally legalized, there have been efforts made on the part of medical marijuana by progressives as well. The recent efforts in RI to close a so-called "loophole" that allowed indoor prostitution was opposed mostly by free-thinking progressives.

"And, they believe in massive government regulation over the people's property."

No, they really don't. They simply believe strongly in a mixed economy, which is the most successfully type of economy the world over.

"While I disagree with the Libertarian Party on some key points, I have to say that they are the most consistent party with taking back America to it's Constitutional origins"

...again, in your opinion, which I've yet to hear you back up with actual facts.

Side: I dunno
ThePyg(6737) Disputed
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A party is made up of party members. In order to have power, the party members must be present. Without the members, the party does not exist. Parties are merely parties. They have no set goals. They have goals depending on the views of the majority of members. Republicans are only Republicans because of their beliefs. Without them, the Republican party does not exist, which is why the people who rule the party are the party.

While there are liberal activists in some states, the ruling class (Democrats in the Executive and Legislative Branch) have done nothing to support progressive policies. This is because the Democratic Party is just as morally constricted as the Republican Party.

Mixed Economy, Social Democracy, Third Way Economics. It's all government regulation over private property.

Libertarian Party:

1st Amendment - Against Political Correctness and any other form of censorship. Against likes of the fairness doctrine or restriction of curious searches (viewing of snuff films would be an example).

2nd Amendment - Believe it.

4th Amendment - Against the Patriot Act and any other form of Government spying. do not believe that citizens should be in total fear of the government. Also believe that the government should not seize personal property.

5th Amendment - Believe it.

In general, the Libertarian Party believes that each individual has a right to their own body and property. The government has no right to control individuals. We should all be free. They believe in Independence.

Side: Republicans
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Newt is behind it all. He will be running for prez soon-mark my words. Uggh.

Side: I dunno