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I think that conservative atheists are smarter because we base our ideas off of facts and statistics while liberals tend to base theirs off of feelings.
The US uncovered roughly 5000 chemical warheads in Iraq, no one claimed Saddam was Al Qaeda,and Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 as well as the US Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. Going to War in Iraq and Afghanistan had bi-partisan support.
To illustrate the point yet further, there is an archived Fox News story which quotes two Republican Senators claiming they found 500 (not 5000, liar) chemical warheads in Iraq, but what the story (deliberately) fails to mention is that these warheads were fully decommissioned, as per UN instruction. Their existence strongly evidences that Saddam was obeying his UN mandate.
Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11
No he wasn't. Just repeating the same lie over and over again doesn't make it true. There is absolutely no evidence he had anything to do with it. Contradictorily, there is evidence that Israeli intelligence was involved. See:-
THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.
Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis - and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.
as well as the US Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania
Not "as well as". He factually ordered the US Embassy bombings. There is evidence linking him to those crimes, and that is why the FBI had a warrant out for his arrest. There is NO EVIDENCE linking him to 9/11, and the FBI did not want him in connection with that crime.
I do not think your guilt-by-association tactics are born of ignorance. I think you know full well that bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11. You are a bigger liar than Hitler, Amarel. Which is quite ironic, given that you are a Jew.
a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled
The dancing Jew story has been thoroughly debunked. It's funny how truthers scream "lies" at the truth while screaming lies at the truth.
You are a bigger liar than Hitler, Amarel. Which is quite ironic, given that you are a Jew
Why do you feel the need to hide behind so many different accounts Quantumhead? If your going to be internet tough, you have to refrain from also being an intellectual coward.
If the statement about 5000 Chemical warheads is a lie, then the NY Times is a conservative publication.
Chivers's claims were debunked by his own paper, you bloody idiot.
They were “remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West,” Mr. Chivers writes.
The discovery of old, degraded chemical munitions in Iraq is not news. The Bush administration went to war expecting to find older weapons, along with a thriving new chemical weapons program (that didn’t exist)
Most of these observers also point out that if indeed these discoveries would have been evidence of a W.M.D. program, those who waged the war would have been, as Kevin Drum writes at Mother Jones, “the first to trumpet the news.” They didn’t, and that should be “pretty plain evidence that there was nothing here to back up their prewar contentions of an Iraqi W.M.D. program."
The dancing Jew story has been thoroughly debunked.
Like hell it has, liar. Go lobby somewhere else:-
The Israeli lobby in the US has been trying to “suppress” a revealing 28-page section of a classified Congressional report on the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks that reportedly points to Israeli involvement in 9/11, says an intelligence analyst
There is some very interesting stuff in there, such as:-
1) Denials and deception over the alleged usage of a video camera.
2) Explosives traces, "positive result" yielded by "trained bomb-sniffing dog", Sivan and Paul Kurzberg / Ellner / Shmuel / Marmari / Urban Moving Systems white van.
3) Eyewitness, Israelis in jovial mood, hugging, high-fiving, filming atop white van shortly after first impact.
4) Israelis, "visibly happy on nearly all" of the photographs.
5) Urban Moving Systems (i.e. the company they claimed to work for), a "possible fraudulent operation" that exhibited "little evidence of a legitimate business operation."
6) Urban Moving Systems, Israeli nationals' unscheduled trip to vicinity of the "Flight 93" crash site in the early hours of 9/11.
People like to forget the reasons for the prewar contentions. Saddam was not compliant with UN inspections. He blocked and delayed inspectors at every turn. Despite intel indicating an active weapons program, the US and UN provided leeway for political purposes. This gave Saddam time to get active chemical weapons to Syria, and those that couldn't be moved could sit and rot, leaving room for things like you to claim that even the presence of chemical weapons are not evidence of chemical weapons.
And the US was not compliant with the UN's order of a diplomatic resolution. It has been well-reported since the invasion of Iraq that Saddam's main problem with UN weapons inspectors was the fear of being seen as weak by Iran, who he fought a ten year war against with full US backing. It was during this war that the US gave him the very chemical weapons your buddy over at the NYT points out were later found by US troops.
Despite intel indicating an active weapons program
Bullshit. Nobody has ever seen this "intel", just like nobody has ever seen the "intel" that bin Laden was involved in 9/11. The Bush Administration was caught RED-HANDED fabricating intelligence against the Iraqi state during the Valerie Plame affair. US diplomat Joe Wilson was asked to lie about a yellowcake uranium deal he was supposed to have witnessed in Africa involving one of Saddam's sons and, when he refused, they leaked his wife's name (who was a CIA agent) to the press. The Vice President's Chief of Staff was sentenced for perjury over the matter, but predictably Bush commuted his prison sentence (like the crook he is) and he never even saw the inside of a prison cell.
Sure they have, and they talk about it all the time. They talked about it at the UN. There's even satillite imagery showing massive transports from Iraq to Syria during the diplomatic delay leading up to invasion. Whether those were WMDs was debated, But James Clapper thought so. Recent events indicate as much.
The positions of UN Security Council states varied, but the US intended to invade with a coalition of the willing, which it did.
You have such a dishonest and unpleasant nature that I try to avoid talking to you. This is presumably the reason you change your persona so often. Your cred is shit here. Anyway, I'm done with you. You may go.
There's even satillite imagery showing massive transports from Iraq to Syria during the diplomatic delay leading up to invasion.
Lol. Right buddy. Some trucks travel from Iraq to Syria = Saddam has an active WMD program. Stop lying for once in your pathetic life, mate. The Valerie Plame Affair proves that the Bush Administration was deliberately lying about having intelligence of an Iraqi WMD program. If they had legitimate intelligence of a WMD program then:-
A) They would eventually have discovered a WMD program.
B) There would have been no need to make up a bullshit story about Saddam's son purchasing yellowcake uranium in Niger and asking Joe Wilson to go along with it.
These facts show you to be a liar. If I haven't made myself clear already then I detest liars.
You have such a dishonest and unpleasant nature that I try to avoid talking to you.
I'm not interested in your black is white, up is down, left is right, deceitful Zionist bullshit. You find my nature unpleasant because you lie about everything. Stop lying and we'll get along just fine.
The positions of UN Security Council states varied
The UN was ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that invading Iraq was ILLEGAL under the UN Charter.
The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal. Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter.
I find it absolutely infuriating that you sit there all day twisting black into white and then have the actual audacity to call me "dishonest". Fuck off. You're literally evil.
Conservatives are smarter in any group of people on the planet. Liberals are anti God in almost all they stand for, so therefore you might as well put Liberals in the Atheist category.
Conservatives are smarter in any group of people on the planet.
The irony of you backward, 17th century nincompoops is just spectacular. You don't even understand the basics of your own language. Here you are claiming to be smarter than everyone else and you can't even construct a coherent sentence.
Typical Liberal. When you know you have no ground to stand on, you simply insult the other side.
The intelligence meter comes down to one simple logical point.
Is it intelligent to constantly unconditionally reward the most irresponsible segments of our population, while constantly punishing the most responsible hard working segments of our society. That is a recipe for bankrupcy.
We are watching the results of no fault socialistic ideology before our very eyes.
Twenty trillion in debt. Record numbers of people living off food stamps even while our economy is doing ok. Record numbers of broken homes with abandoned children.
I'm not claiming any of that. I'm not throwing insults. There are plenty of conservative atheists and plenty of liberal theists. I'm not trying to be mean but figure it out.
The intelligence meter comes down to one simple logical point.
Is it intelligent to constantly unconditionally reward the most irresponsible segments of our population, while constantly punishing the most responsible hard working segments of our society. That is a recipe for bankrupcy.
We are watching the results of no fault socialistic ideology before our very eyes.
Twenty trillion in debt. Record numbers of people living off food stamps even while our economy is doing ok. Record numbers of broken homes with abandoned children.
Let's not forget that their base is largely white, non-college, Evangelicals that love to be lied to.
Liberals include the scientific YUGE majority that realize we need clean air and water to live, that we are going to feel climate change more every year, that, we would be smart to do what we can to save the planet .. NOW!
Additionally, WE ALL KNEW that Puerto Rico was an island in a big ocean BEFORE yesterday!
Let's not forget that their base is largely white, non-college, Evangelicals that love to be lied to.
So if the left is well off and educated, how are they being oppressed by a bunch of poor, uneducated hillbillies, and why isn't the right begging for more social programs? I mean a bunch of poor, uneducated jerk offs surely would delight in more welfare and more entitlements... Or were you excluding all of the uneducated minorities from the "real left"? And if this be true, doesn't that make the "1%" that the left bitches about like drama queens on steroids simply your own tribe?
So if the left is well off and educated, how are they being oppressed by a bunch of poor, uneducated hillbillies
How can the left be "well off" in a right wing system such as capitalism? Educated, sure. That's why they are on the left. But well off? Do you think corporations and businesses are going to employ people with anti-capitalist views?
The left is the part of society which is too intelligent to have been conned by the bullshit of its rulers. The right wing target base might be uneducated, piously religious hillbillies, but I hope you aren't implying that these people are setting right wing policy, because that's just stupid.
How can the left be "well off" in a right wing system such as capitalism? Educated, sure. That's why they are on the left. But well off?
Bwahahahaha! God you're a clown. So the "well off" got that way by being stupid and uneducated.... and the way to be poor apparently is to go to a liberal college? I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen the claim with my own eyes...
The right wing target base might be uneducated, piously religious hillbillies, but I hope you aren't implying that these people are setting right wing policy, because that's just stupid
Let's flip it. So you're saying that liberal policy is created obviously by rich, educated liberal elites and not by the liberal masses because...ya know...that's stupid to think so...
Let's not forget that illegal immigrants that cross the border from Mexico are Catholics largely non-white and non-college. Illegal immigration can save the world from the wrath of climate change and save the plant now.
Belief in god's existence is a conservative view. It's the status quo norm, it's tradition, and the religious imply a rejection of that belief is a rejection of the conservative values which go with the religion.
Lack of belief in god's existence is then, at it's elemental level, a liberal view. It's being unimpressed by the norm, the tradition, the mandates of the past. It's being open to other realities besides the parameters defined by a religion.
For an atheist to be conservative it would mean they rejected one particular dominant conservative view (religion) but then embraced most of the other conservative views. It is essentially cherry picking your conservatism. Which isn't very smart.
To equate religion and Conservatism as one in the same throws out all the non belieiving Conservatives. You waste our time as always.
Just because many Conservatives have the inteligence to understand the wonderful common sense wisdom of Christianity, does not mean they are Christians.
Decades ago, many Atheists understood the importance of the moral values derived from our Christian heritage. Then came insecure Progressives who hate any mention of morals or responsibility for one's choices in life.
God was a downer to their no fault anything goes promiscuos lifestyles. They hated having anyone shining a light on their irresponsibility and harm to our society.
You say...... "Lack of belief in god's existence is then, at it's elemental level, a liberal view. It's being unimpressed by the norm, the tradition, the mandates of the past. It's being open to other realities besides the parameters defined by a religion."
You should have simply stated what you logic boils down to. When you are open to other realities, such as killing our viable special need's babies simply for being diverse and supposedly not as quote "intelligent" as arrogant Liberals beieve of themselves, then anything goes.
It's the no fault anything goes culture that Liberalism has ushered in. That is not inteligence, it is anarchy led by complete morons!
It's being open to other realities besides the parameters defined by a religion
And yet it acts in and of itself like a religion and demonizes anyone that doesn't agree with their beliefs...like a religion. I'd say liberalism became the "norm". It sure isn't conservatives flocking like roaches all over academia, the mainstream media, Hollywood, and even ESPN... are those conservatives taking knees at the National Anthem? Probably not.