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Who the hell is Ismaila?
Can somebody please tell me that? She is really being a pain in my ass today. I'm just trying to drop some logic on her, and all I get is banned from her debate. I mean wtf, how am I suppose to pick apart her silly arguments if I can't express myself? I call shinanigans on that.
Well... I've known Isma longer than the rest of you and I've been blocked by her on Sodahead.com more than once and on Facebook but.... meh? Who cares? It's the internet and I don't hold grudges... plus she helps liven up this place a little.
(And it's a good thing this isn't her debate as I'd probably be banned, LOL)
I tried to use logic and insightful arguments against her but it didn't work. In the end, she decided to crush my will to debate with her flattery. Very clever, Ismaila. I didn't see that coming ;)
Ismaila is definitely her own person. In ways I love her and in ways I am not so sure. Here is what I would recommend. I just launched petitions on the site. Why don't you create a petition to support Ismaila "not" banning you from her debates. Banning should be a last resort for stopping spammers or the extremely offensive folks from continuing to post...not the logical ones. Maybe she will take the results of the petition to heart!
What the fuck is this? Pussies who cannot debate are starting shit.
My, what strong language. Do you "support love" with that mouth?
It seems like you were just saying something to that other guy you banned like "Can you make a factual argument without using ad hominims? I can."
In the last couple hours you've called several people, including myself, "pussies" and "cunts". You seem pretty good at breaking your own rules. Maybe you should just go for a walk and cool down a bit before you hurt yourself.
Now you are mass down voting all my arguments. That's really classy. If you are so wonderful at debate, why don't you use your words instead of banning people, posting obscenities, and mass down voting?
You brought it on yourself. You will learn soon enough that I am not the one to screw with. I am just getting revenge for you defending that jerk on my poll. By the way, how does it feel to be punked by a stranger?
Uh, punked? You just sent all my debates to the top of the "active debates" section. Thank you. I'm I suppose to care about the points? I can tell you not a single fuck will be given.
But thanks for freaking out and showing everyone how crazy you are. I appreciate that.
Ad hominem is Latin for "to the man". It means to attack the person, instead of their arguments. It is not an "illogical argument", by any definition. So the correct answer was, "No, Judas. I don't even understand the Latin phrase that I myself brought up. I am a silly, silly girl that is horrible at debate."
Are you done getting owned here? You're just making yourself look more and more ridiculous with every post.
That is what you did. You supported that person calling me a retard. That was an ad hominim. You really need to get your panties out of your ass and move on. ;)
I didn't call you a "retard" or attack anyone personally, that was all you. I attacked your argument. Instead of attacking my very well thought out argument, you started calling people "pussies" and "cunts" which are of course sexist derogatory terms and textbook ad hominem attacks. Then you started banning people.
Why don't you go ahead and quote the part that you are talking about? If I posted it, you should be able to quote me. Or, you could not quote me and everyone can see just how full of shit you are.
It is not fascist for me to stand up for my beliefs. My debates, my rules. I have the right to ban bigoted people. You are the fascist for trying to force your bigoted beliefs on other people.
No. It is all an elaborate christian conspiracy against me. I was just being a law-abiding roman citizen. Jesus was breaking the law, so I had to turn him in.
You don't agree with his opinions, so you turn him in to be tortured and killed. Ismalia doesn't agree with your opinions, she bans you from a debate then you get all butthurt about it? Hey, I'm not attacking, I'm just playing along with the whole "I'm Judas" thing.
Judas does not, "get all butthurt". Tell Jesus not to get all butthurt. He's the one damning people to hell for all eternity. Oooooo, big deal. He was crucified by the romans and came back from the dead. What have you done for me lately, Jesus. That was like 2000 years ago.
She actually does unjustly ban alot of people. At least when she was on a while ago. But really there is no need to make a whole debate about it because she hurt your feelings...
No, you ban people because you're an idiot. Seriously, can you not look at yourself objectively? Oh, wait... the sight would probably be so terrifying that you'd commit suicide.
Banning trolls is fine. What I have seen you do however is label whomever you disagree with as a bigot and then refuse to have a conversation. Even if what someone is saying is actually bigoted, refusing to have a dialogue does nothing except validate the bigoted perspective. Engaging with someone in a reasoned manner, however difficult, is an opportunity to explain why you find what they said to be offensive (most "bigots" actually do not realize they are being offensive or why), to understand where they are coming from (does not mean you have to agree but it does have its value), and to present a reasoned argument instead of the appearance that you do not have the ability to refute what they have said. Banning people is the easy way out, and honestly rather defeats the purpose of introducing the debate to begin with.
Also, you are not "calling someone out" by calling them a bigot. You are calling them a bigot. To call someone out you actually have to go to the effort of explaining why their sentiment was bigoted. It is easy to attack a person, but better to address the idea. Name calling just deepens the divide.
You will forgive me if your assertion does not convince me. Again, I ask that you trouble yourself to actually formulate an argument against what I am saying instead of just making an unwarranted claim (particularly when I have gone to the effort of explaining myself).
You don't listen to what they have to say. You are a extremist. It took 15 minutes to convince you that we shared a homosexuality-genetic side. Please read messages better.
You are wrong. I am not an extremist. I am a centrist. I am neither conservative nor liberal. Just because I had the nerve to disagree with you, does not mean that I am an extremist. I think for myself. It is not my fault that you suck at explaining your beliefs.
You were refusing to listen to the other ones' arguments. You are a extremist in at least that sense. I do not suck at it, I explained genetics. I explained how genetics tie into homosexuality, read a textbook if you don't understand it.
Calm down, habibi. I make one mistake and people get their panties in bunch. I admit that I was wrong, now can we please drop it? I just am tired of people saying that it is disgusting to be gay, that gays choose to be gay, or that being gay is a sin. I have had it with this crap. No, i am not accusing you again. I am just explaining.
It dose according to the suprem court that's why when hate groups like the KKK. Or neo-nazis hold rally's and parades the police are required to protect them.
In my debates I don't engage I simply let them be their not worth my time yet I still let them post and have other argue with them as they pleas. All opinions are valid as long as you can back them up.
I would hardly call posting a comment on a website shoving bigoted ideas down someone's throat. People come here knowing that they will likely see sides of the issue that they might be offended by, but that is the point of debate.
That is not what i said. You have the right to do whatever you want to your "debate", but if you don't allow for differing veiws, than it is hardly a debate.
Look at judas, he is allowing you to post on his debate because he know that is the real value of debating.
By simply dismissing someone as a bigot without hearing them out, you make yourself appear as a bigot in your own right.
You are wrong. I am not a bigot. I am not obligated to tolerate bigotry. If someone says that gays are disgusting abnormal, going to Hell, mentally ill, I will bitch them out and block them. I will NOT tolerate bigotry.
"a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"
From that deffinition you sound more like a bigot that judas.
You are wrong. I do not think that Judas is a bigot, and I am not a bigot either. I am talking about the antigay bigots who are crying because I banned their hate. Boo fucking hoo. They can cry me a river.
"I do not ban everyone who disagrees. Just the bigots. "
This whole converstation is how you have unfairly banned people for making good points with your primary defense being that they were in your opinion bigots. Since you just admited that you do not see Judas as a bigot, you shatter almost all of your previous defenses.
Pick a person and we can discuss. Also, please mention the debate I banned said person from so I can look at their statements before I say anything. Thank you much.
Well, come on. You've got to admit, while not disgusting, going to hell, or mentally ill, being gay does not promote the natural necessity of procreation. That means that while not strictly unnatural, it is abnormal and to a degree, pointless.
By no means does that imply that gays do not have the right to be gay. They can be all the gay they want. It's an unbiased view on the nature of homosexuality. No procreation=No species growth=Extinction.
So true. If the population kept growing, there would be a whole host of problems. War, poverty, etc. That is why I support the International Planned Parenthood association. They do good work.
It's not about my hurt feelings. This is about truth, justice and free expression. I have a dream that one day my children's posts will be judged on the content of their text, rather than the color of their state. I believe that all posts are created equal, with an inalienable right to be read. We must stand up against Ismaila's tyrannical hold on this website and fight for what is right, though any means necessary! We will not go quietly into that good night. We will not be silenced! Rage, rage against the dying of the light!
Or you know, whatever. It was just one little incident. I don't really care that much......
People shouldn't be banned for for only disagreeing with an opinion, if they have a good argument. She does ban people for just disagreeing alot, but im not sure if you're still on that whole "church of judas" thing. Cuz that would be a good reason for her to ban you.
Je ne sais pas. Je n'ai pas vraiment parler français. Je pense que je dis que je veux dire, je ne suis plus en colère contre vous. Aujourd'hui, vous semblez être une personne adorable.
I've only come across her since her return she has some good points in her debates but unfortunatly she also comes across as being very angry and this seems to cloud her judgement sometimes, she is a bit too quick to ban people instead of debating them and has banned people who have actually been supporting her arguments to me this seems to be the anger clouding her judgement. Get the anger under control and I think she could be good at debating people and also insulting people for disagreeing is never a good tactic, keep the anger under control keep the insults down and I think she will earn peoples respect.
But allowing your anger free reign so it impedes your judgement does not help especially in debates, while debating you need to keep a clear head to find the faults and weaknesses in your opponents argument and enabling you to bring him down, the same with insults if your opponent insults you fine gloves off time, if you insult someone who is just debating you then your argument is lost as they will not respect you.
I suppose that you are right. I just get really pissed off at certain things. Ethnocetrism, antigay theology, the fictional idea that gays choose to be gay. Who in their right mind would choose to be hated?
"I've been treated like shit most of my life, I should take it out on others." Is that what you're basically saying? If so, then I feel bad for you. I would and still do feel sad to hear that this has happened to you because I can relate. But just because I feel like I should be more irritable towards others doesn't meant that I should act out on it. It helps when I try not to be angry, otherwise, I treated like shit even more :/
Undoubt says "She is an asswipe but what do you expect from an under educated over opinionated bitch?" My rebuttal: It is kind of sexist for men to attack women for being confident and opinionated. At least I have the balls to defend my beliefs. Oh, and that is Miss Bitch to you.
Thank you Judas we thank you for making this debate, ismalia is starting to piss me off because she called me an anti gay bigot and said fuck off. I was trying to be nice but all she said was that I was wrong. She couldn't even say what is wrong with it. I don't care if gays get married so I am not a bigot. You got my support.
This is why I hate debates over whether it's a choice or not. It can't be proven to straight people because they can never understand unless they are actually gay. The best proof I can give to you is this: I am gay, and, if I could change my sexuality, I would in a heartbeat. I live in a family of super-Catholics, where homophobic statements are expressed whenever someone remotely gay appears in the media or in real life. I have not come out to them, and I will most likely never do try to. All I want is for my family to love the real me, but I can't. Instead, I have to live this life of constant paranoia until I move on to college next year. I've known about my sexuality since I was eight; I'm seventeen now. Life has been miserable for about that long because I realized that it was wrong. I'm not trying to write you a sob story about why you should believe that being gay is not a choice. I am just trying to give you the best proof that I can, which is my personal experience as being gay. To me, this is proof enough, but, if you want to, I can go into all of the juicy details of why I'm not attracted to women, and it isn't because I'm sexist; I have many more female friends than male friends, if that doesn't surprise you. It's all because of the biological attraction to women, or even the fact that I have had both heterosexual and homosexual relationships, and the only ones that have ever felt right were homosexual ones. There are numerous other reasons why I know that I am gay, but those are the key ones that prove it the most for me. Sorry for talking your ear off, but I hope that this helps.
Not really because if it is a choice, it is their personal preference and I can't really prove why someone likes someone but if its in their genes then it is your job to prove how you got to that conclusion.
What the hec does that mean????? I am just saying I cant prove why someone likes to due something a certain way but ismalia says it is in their genes, even though she has not given any evidence and has just said that I am wrong with no proof.
She's a delusional moron. Seriously, being delusional is one thing but to ban people from debates simply because they have different opinions, especially if those opinions are actually in accordance with reality. And disputing the person after banning... we had one prick like that not too long ago, probably was a troll judging from the arguments the person gave...
Anyway, you're pathetic. All you give many of us is constant repetition of how messed up some people can be. When you left you should've stayed away, for your own sake. Hearing from other people that you are messed up would normally be a good thing, it'd give you some thinking material, something to learn from and so to change yourself for the better. But you clearly lack that capacity, considering you've been here before and even then you were a mess.
What are you doing here, on this site? Debating is primarily about learning and improving ones mind (never mind the trolls...), and that is something you very clearly do not want to do.
She deserves to be treated with respect like any other person. But perhaps she would not like to be banned like she banns everyone else, Yes?? Get my drift, Yes?
Identifying bigotry by explaining why something is bigoted and arguing against the idea is not tolerating bigotry. It is putting forth the effort to actually counter bigotry. Dismissing bigotry and refusing to address it is just as bad as tolerating it, if not worse.
You are wrong. I will NOT tolerate bigotry on my posts. I am not obligated to answer to bigots. I do educate people about bigotry, and if they continue, bye bye birdie. I cannot, nor will I, ever bow to a bigot.
Would you care to actually explain why I am wrong rather than just asserting it? I do not see you educating anyone. I see you making a brief response (often along the lines of "you are wrong" or "you are a bigot" with no additional explanation) and then waiting for them to disagree, and then booting them off.
I have never and will never tolerate bigotry and I am willing to have long and difficult conversations to address bigotry when I encounter it.
I am different. I am not willing to waste time on bigots. I am not a patient person when it comes to bigots. I will try to educate, but if they refuse to listen, I give up. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. Now if you know how to get people to stop being bigots, I would like to know. Do check your messages. I have unblocked you and I want to tell you something.
Honestly, the more aggravating aspect of Ismaila banning everyone who disagrees is that I keep writing responses that actually address the points I disagree with but can never get responses back because they get banned. Good subject material but I am finding that I cannot actually have a discussion on any subjects moderated by Ismaila.
I do not ban everyone who disagrees. Just the bigots. If they said "I personally believe this because", I would not be so angry, but when they say "gays are disgusting", "gays are not normal" etc., I get pissed. It would be equally wrong for me to say "all straights are bastards".
I've come to the conclusion that Ismaila is rucking ridiculous.
A. She calls peoples words anti propaganda if they have an opinion other than hers. (She's bisexual she MUST know everything there is to know about it, SIKE)
How the bloody Hell does this have 200+ arguments? Isn't it all opinionated? If you have something against her, good for you. If you don't, good for you! Just because you don't like her really makes no means to create an entire debate about it.
How the bloody Hell does this have 200+ arguments?
Congratulations on being the 231'st poster! Thank you for reading this entire soap opera and deciding to comment on it. It's users like yourself that keep debates like this alive and well!
Thank you for your sarcasm! Please, do continue with it.
On a serious note: is this website not about debating in a civilized and well produced manner? Not bashing members and and being immature? Drama should stay this.
Beside, Judas, aren't you a bit of a ..backstabber? (Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week.)
For that reason i never go on any more of her deabates, I post my own quality debates and i keep her bigotry off of them. i suggest doing the same if you really want to get her to change.
I am not a bigot. You are. You are just angry that I called you on YOUR bigotry, you fucking cunt. You think that disabled people should be killed making you a fascist bigot.