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Was Obama elected because he is black?

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5 points

the 99% of blacks who voted for him...

I mean, the highest amount of blacks to vote for anyone... yeah, it's because he was black, no doubt.

And all the white guilt liberals. And people who didn't realize that McCain was running on the other side. Sure, he was Republican... but he was fuckin' McCain, the only politician who was actually decent; and they gave it to Obama, the man who was part of the problem in the first place.

Here's the thing. Obama was black, a big add on. It's basically a guaranteed win at this point (well, not anymore, because we already have our first black president). Also, Bush was a Republican so everyone automatically thinks Republicans are bad. and Obama's slogan was "change". A retarded slogan, but most voters are retarded so they liked it. like a ball to a baby.

Thomas Jefferson and many of the founding fathers feared the masses... I wonder why ~_~

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1 point

You totally stole the fact right out of my head! Haha. Before I even clicked this debate, I thought of election day when some reporter mentioned that he received most of the black vote. I forget their exact amount, but it was in the high 90's.

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ledhead818(637) Disputed
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You really have trouble with identifying causation don't you. First of all 99% of blacks didn't vote for Obama. 96% of blacks did. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15297.html However there is something you are forgetting. Blacks always overwhelmingly vote Democrat. In fact Democrats almost always get more than 90% of the black vote. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/08/national/08VOTE.html?pagewanted=all Blacks In fact "no Republican presidential candidate has gotten more than 15 percent of the black vote since [1965]." http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/when_did_blacks_start_voting_democratic.html

Blacks voted exactly the same way they always do -solidly Democrat. The only reason that people are even bringing this up now is that Obama is black. Obama being black did not help him at all. In fact it most likely hurt him as many white voters did not vote for Obama simply because he is black.

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ThePyg(6737) Disputed
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I'm sorry, I meant to point out that more blacks went out to vote than usual because he was black.

and don't you watch Chocolate News? the KKK, if anything, would vote for Obama just to rationalize their hate.

But they have separate parties, anyway. McCain didn't get more votes just because Obama was black; third parties did.

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4 points

I'm white and voted Obama. McCain was not only a bully, he was an idiot. He picked possibly the dumbest running mate he could simply because she was a female hoping to get those votes. His plans on helping this country were horrible and most of his rebutals were backed up with...well...nothing. He loved to talk stories that had little to nothing to do with anything and he just came off as a poor person to be in the White House. I didn't vote for Obama because he was black, but because I thought he could do a better job than McCain.

And to say that blacks ONLY voted for Obama because he's black is kind of racist. It's like saying they have no thinking ability or opinions whatsoever. Chris Rock made a good point when he said "We're not just voting for him 'cause he's black, we're voting for him 'cause he's black and qualified"

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4 points

"And to say that blacks ONLY voted for Obama because he's black is kind of racist."

It might be racist to say that blacks voted for him because he was black, but the numbers don't lie. Obama received 95-96% of the black vote. Now I don't know if all of these people really wanted the change that he promised, but it seems to me race had a lot to do with this figure, especially since this had increased from 88% of the vote in 2004. Also, the turnout of black voters increased from 11% of the total vote, in 2004, to 13% of the total vote. And your quote from Chris Rock basically solidifies this; it shows that part of the reason they voted for him was because he was black, which is exactly what this debate is about. "Qualified", on the other hand, is a completely different debate.

Supporting Evidence: Facts and NUMBERS (askville.amazon.com)
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Pineapple(1448) Disputed
1 point

Could it not be that the promises he made were focused on helping poor middle-lower class families who had been abandoned by the previous administration?

Black or not, people came out of the woodwork to vote for his message. Not his skin color.

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3 points

That was a contributing factor, but there were far more important factors too: charisma, intelligence, strength, kindness, honesty -- Obama has all of those things going for him.

Also, everybody was pissed at Bush.

Side: Mostly for other reasons
TERMINATOR(6779) Disputed
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I've a few bones to pick with that one:

Charisma - So you want the friendliest man as president?

Strength - FDR, viewed as one of America's greatest, served in a wheelchair

There's more, but it's getting lateand I don't feel like being here all night.

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jessald(1915) Disputed
3 points

This debate isn't about whether or not those are good things. I'm just saying that's why he got elected.

Also, I meant spiritual strength more than physical.

Side: Mostly for other reasons
MKIced(2510) Disputed
2 points

The traits the Jessald mentioned definitely helped him. My brother voted for Obama. My brother, a middle class, white male, in college. Honestly, the only "change" my brother needs is a change in his personal life. But he still voted for him, which astounds me. Why does it astound me? Well both of my parents were McCain supporters (as was I, but I was 17) and whenever my mom tried to understand why my brother was going to vote for Obama, we got nothing in return. Obviously, his charisma had a lot to do with his power over the youth vote. My mom gave several different reasons for my brother to vote for McCain, and yet he still voted for Obama. Meanwhile, my brother offered us an astounding zero reasons why Obama would be better.

Side: Mostly for other reasons

that is so true obama did not need to win because he was black but because he had all thous qualities

Side: Mostly for other reasons
2 points

Of course he was. The majority of his votes came from blacks. However, that is not the only reason. The Congress is completely democratic (quite ridiculous, actually). That definitely had something to do with it. Also, he is the young hotshot that appeals to the American people. John McCain was just another boring old politician.

Side: Mostly for other reasons
1 point

Its a solid mixture of both theories. Its very normal that after a very unstable administration, some people will usually go towards the other side, specially liberals and young people. Obama used that "young cool rock star figure" to address young voters, people who usually did not participate in the election. On the other hand, YES he is black AND democrat, so minorities voted for him because they thought he would represent them better than an old republican white veteran. So YES it was a major influence, but I think the presidential election was fought in the democrat election, and not the Presidential election itself.

Side: Mostly for other reasons
1 point

You forgetting one major detail, White people voted for him too. So what if a majority of African Americans voted for him, personally i don't think it means a thing. Color is just color. It's whats behind the color that counts. Obama had good speeches and was a good candidate for the election. Seems to me like you only wanted Ma Cain to win because he is white.

Side: Mostly for other reasons
JakeJ(3254) Disputed
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"So what if a majority of African Americans voted for him"

Because more black people than ever before showed up to the voting booths. And if they've never even voted I doubt they know a whole lot about policy.

You also have to factor in that it's not just black people that voted on race, look at all the Mexicans in this country that probably wanted another color in the white house.

"Color is just color. It's whats behind the color that counts."

What's this about? Is anyone being racist here?

"Seems to me like you only wanted Ma Cain to win because he is white."

Who are you talking to and what makes you think that?

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1 point

You forget that Obama won by a landslide.

Yes, he got the black vote. He also got the gay vote, the latino vote, and basically everything but the purb vote.

He had a great campaign, a great team, and a was the right man in the right place at the right time.

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JakeJ(3254) Disputed
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"Yes, he got the black vote. He also got the gay vote, the latino vote, and basically everything but the purb vote."

I could see a lot of those people voting on things like race. It's not just the black vote that elected him for being black.

Even though more black people voted than ever before. Meaning black people in their 30s and 40s that had never voted where showing up to vote for a black presidential candidate. [coincidence I'm sure] (;

Yes it was a very very good campaign targeting in all the right places. One of the best campaigns ever actually.

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Pineapple(1448) Disputed
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I could see a lot of those people voting on things like race

Why? Why would you vote for someone because of their race?

He was voted for by those groups because his agenda matched the agendas of those groups, and the people in them, better than McCain's.

He cares about minorities, and after 8 years of a president that cared not, democrats needed to represent.

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1 point

Yes, he was, and it is about fucking time. Bush was voted for because he was seen as being a good, religious man. Other presidents probably got voted for because of how rich they were, hell they even have the popular vote. Presidency has become another popularity contest made up by people that still live in a high school state of mind.

And Obama was instantly relatable to the black community beacuse of his race. And for that one moment a community that has had a lack of hope since segregation, was once again presented with the possibility of becoming somebody important, someon that could make a change.

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TERMINATOR(6779) Disputed
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That is the problem! If you ever want to conquer racism, you have to look beyond colour! You hire (or elect) the person most highly qualified - forget appearances and controversy. Ask a blind man what makes a difference. I had a blind friend once, years ago. She loved everybody - regardless of skin colour. Be like her and ignore cultural beliefs. Live life so that even the undertaker will be sorry to see you go.

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JakeJ(3254) Disputed
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"Yes, he was, and it is about fucking time. Bush was voted for because he was seen as being a good, religious man. Other presidents probably got voted for because of how rich they were, hell they even have the popular vote."

Was Obama not rich and Religious?

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1 point

that's kind of the point i was making, being voted for president is based of many things, not just race.

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Pineapple(1448) Disputed
1 point

Is Obama rich?

Is Obama any more religious than a normal American?

I don't think so. He doesn't base his thinking on his pocket book (or his friends pocket books) or his god. And that's what counts.

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some people elected him because he was black but i think that he had good plans but i did want him to be the first black president. but even if he did not win that was a big help to the black community to show us that we can do anything

Side: some of them did

Plenty of Caucasians voted for Obama especially from the Midwestern States.

Side: some of them did