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I mean, the highest amount of blacks to vote for anyone... yeah, it's because he was black, no doubt.
And all the white guilt liberals. And people who didn't realize that McCain was running on the other side. Sure, he was Republican... but he was fuckin' McCain, the only politician who was actually decent; and they gave it to Obama, the man who was part of the problem in the first place.
Here's the thing. Obama was black, a big add on. It's basically a guaranteed win at this point (well, not anymore, because we already have our first black president). Also, Bush was a Republican so everyone automatically thinks Republicans are bad. and Obama's slogan was "change". A retarded slogan, but most voters are retarded so they liked it. like a ball to a baby.
Thomas Jefferson and many of the founding fathers feared the masses... I wonder why ~_~
You totally stole the fact right out of my head! Haha. Before I even clicked this debate, I thought of election day when some reporter mentioned that he received most of the black vote. I forget their exact amount, but it was in the high 90's.
Blacks voted exactly the same way they always do -solidly Democrat. The only reason that people are even bringing this up now is that Obama is black. Obama being black did not help him at all. In fact it most likely hurt him as many white voters did not vote for Obama simply because he is black.
Why do you automatically assume that Obama is going to be another Nixon or bomb in office. And the kkk uses religion to justify hatred they dont need to vote for a black pres. to do so. Hatred needs no reason. And so what if he was voted for because he's black, white people are made singers and actresses simply beacuse of their color.
I don't really know where Nixon came out of this...
and really? white people become singers and actors just because they're white? Currently, it's easier to get an acting gig if you're black because black characters are on a higher demand. And singing has to do with performance (not vocally, but stage). We have A SHITLOAD of black singers... more than the actual percentage of blacks in America (less than 13%).
but the thing is that many white people cant sing and are simply icons. i.e. Madonna, britney spears. And for black actors being popular, that is crap, how many super famous black people are there vs. white people despite population? in movies they simple want their token black person to pull in black viewers.
i dont know if your deaf, or what. But, you obviously dont know music. Best white singer is mariah carey (And she's part black). Madonna and britney have to act crazy so that they will always have the spotlight. Tell me who cna hold a note better Beyonce, or britney. And for your info. Estelle is a rapper as well as a singer. and she has good producers that make her songs sound good just like britney and madonna. That's why synthesizers were created.
well, I guess we should point out that we're arguing based on opinions.
Either way, it's irrelevant to the argument. The fact remains that there are plenty of blacks in the entertainment industry whether YOU'D like to admit it or not. Who's talented or not is based on opinion.
I'm white and voted Obama. McCain was not only a bully, he was an idiot. He picked possibly the dumbest running mate he could simply because she was a female hoping to get those votes. His plans on helping this country were horrible and most of his rebutals were backed up with...well...nothing. He loved to talk stories that had little to nothing to do with anything and he just came off as a poor person to be in the White House. I didn't vote for Obama because he was black, but because I thought he could do a better job than McCain.
And to say that blacks ONLY voted for Obama because he's black is kind of racist. It's like saying they have no thinking ability or opinions whatsoever. Chris Rock made a good point when he said "We're not just voting for him 'cause he's black, we're voting for him 'cause he's black and qualified"
"And to say that blacks ONLY voted for Obama because he's black is kind of racist."
It might be racist to say that blacks voted for him because he was black, but the numbers don't lie. Obama received 95-96% of the black vote. Now I don't know if all of these people really wanted the change that he promised, but it seems to me race had a lot to do with this figure, especially since this had increased from 88% of the vote in 2004. Also, the turnout of black voters increased from 11% of the total vote, in 2004, to 13% of the total vote. And your quote from Chris Rock basically solidifies this; it shows that part of the reason they voted for him was because he was black, which is exactly what this debate is about. "Qualified", on the other hand, is a completely different debate.
Could it not be that the promises he made were focused on helping poor middle-lower class families who had been abandoned by the previous administration?
Black or not, people came out of the woodwork to vote for his message. Not his skin color.
That was a contributing factor, but there were far more important factors too: charisma, intelligence, strength, kindness, honesty -- Obama has all of those things going for him.
The traits the Jessald mentioned definitely helped him. My brother voted for Obama. My brother, a middle class, white male, in college. Honestly, the only "change" my brother needs is a change in his personal life. But he still voted for him, which astounds me. Why does it astound me? Well both of my parents were McCain supporters (as was I, but I was 17) and whenever my mom tried to understand why my brother was going to vote for Obama, we got nothing in return. Obviously, his charisma had a lot to do with his power over the youth vote. My mom gave several different reasons for my brother to vote for McCain, and yet he still voted for Obama. Meanwhile, my brother offered us an astounding zero reasons why Obama would be better.
Of course he was. The majority of his votes came from blacks. However, that is not the only reason. The Congress is completely democratic (quite ridiculous, actually). That definitely had something to do with it. Also, he is the young hotshot that appeals to the American people. John McCain was just another boring old politician.
Its a solid mixture of both theories. Its very normal that after a very unstable administration, some people will usually go towards the other side, specially liberals and young people. Obama used that "young cool rock star figure" to address young voters, people who usually did not participate in the election. On the other hand, YES he is black AND democrat, so minorities voted for him because they thought he would represent them better than an old republican white veteran. So YES it was a major influence, but I think the presidential election was fought in the democrat election, and not the Presidential election itself.
You forgetting one major detail, White people voted for him too. So what if a majority of African Americans voted for him, personally i don't think it means a thing. Color is just color. It's whats behind the color that counts. Obama had good speeches and was a good candidate for the election. Seems to me like you only wanted Ma Cain to win because he is white.
"So what if a majority of African Americans voted for him"
Because more black people than ever before showed up to the voting booths. And if they've never even voted I doubt they know a whole lot about policy.
You also have to factor in that it's not just black people that voted on race, look at all the Mexicans in this country that probably wanted another color in the white house.
"Color is just color. It's whats behind the color that counts."
What's this about? Is anyone being racist here?
"Seems to me like you only wanted Ma Cain to win because he is white."
Who are you talking to and what makes you think that?
"Yes, he got the black vote. He also got the gay vote, the latino vote, and basically everything but the purb vote."
I could see a lot of those people voting on things like race. It's not just the black vote that elected him for being black.
Even though more black people voted than ever before. Meaning black people in their 30s and 40s that had never voted where showing up to vote for a black presidential candidate. [coincidence I'm sure] (;
Yes it was a very very good campaign targeting in all the right places. One of the best campaigns ever actually.
"Seriously? Why don't you just say what you mean the first time, rather than running me around."
...I did! I just have to be really specific because you try to find the worst in what I say.
"Was Obama elected because he is black? No."
Well yeah, to say he was elected just because he's black is wrong. My argument is that it was a big factor. That's why I'm tagged as "A lot" and not just "yes".
You have to be specific so that i understand your point. Otherwise you can be misunderstood, as you were.
My argument is that it was a big factor.
I have already stated that it was a small factor and that the reason it appears to be a big factor is that you're equating "black votes" to "votes because they are black".
Correlation is not causation. Blacks, Latinos, Gays and everyone else voted for Obama because of the promises he made to help them.
Any good, decent, democratic president of the people should make the same promises and have the same agenda. An Agenda for the betterment of the country's masses.
"You have to be specific so that i understand your point. Otherwise you can be misunderstood, as you were."
My point was clear, you where trying to spin it to make an argument. That's how things get confusing!
"I have already stated that it was a small factor"
Then you where wrong. It was a huge factor. I mean come on. Did you see that stupid dance off video? The fact is that The campaign targeted heavily on pop culture which is a lot easier to do when the guy isn't white. That campaign had people cheering for somebody they knew nothing about. Kids at my school wore tall T's with Obama on it. If not race it was empty hype that won that dang election.
"Is he only cool because he's black? He has confidence and charisma. Is that only because he's black?"
What makes you think I don't wanna give him credit for anything? I'm not the hater you want me to be. All I'm saying is that his race played a big factor in the election everyone knows it. Is that clear enough? Do I need to spell it out for you?
Yes, he was, and it is about fucking time. Bush was voted for because he was seen as being a good, religious man. Other presidents probably got voted for because of how rich they were, hell they even have the popular vote. Presidency has become another popularity contest made up by people that still live in a high school state of mind.
And Obama was instantly relatable to the black community beacuse of his race. And for that one moment a community that has had a lack of hope since segregation, was once again presented with the possibility of becoming somebody important, someon that could make a change.
That is the problem! If you ever want to conquer racism, you have to look beyond colour! You hire (or elect) the person most highly qualified - forget appearances and controversy. Ask a blind man what makes a difference. I had a blind friend once, years ago. She loved everybody - regardless of skin colour. Be like her and ignore cultural beliefs. Live life so that even the undertaker will be sorry to see you go.
"Yes, he was, and it is about fucking time. Bush was voted for because he was seen as being a good, religious man. Other presidents probably got voted for because of how rich they were, hell they even have the popular vote."
I don't mind if someone is rich. But I don't want their greed to affect their choices as president. It is my opinion that Bush did.
And it's not a problem for me if someone is religious. But i don't want their religious beliefs to affect their choices as president. It's my opinion that Bush did.
some people elected him because he was black but i think that he had good plans but i did want him to be the first black president. but even if he did not win that was a big help to the black community to show us that we can do anything
