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FDR will be remembered as the man who led america through the great depression and WWII, Reagan will be remembered as a man who supported terrorists and overspent on military
Yeah, because that's what Reagan is remembered for, right? Lol give me a break! At least Reagan didn't have foreknowledge of an impending attack on the United States and do nothing about it.
Yeah, because that's what Reagan is remembered for, right? Lol give me a break! At least Reagan didn't have foreknowledge of an impending attack on the United States and do nothing about it.
So did other Western countries. He didn't know that they were going to use them against us in the future. Hell, Obama's been arming al Qaeda in their fight against Syria. Overall, Reagan was a good president.
When did I say Obama was a liberal? He's a democrat... just like you. Throughout history, Presidents have armed countries and groups that ended up turning against them later on. Reagan didn't supply them because he had some sort of secret desire for America's demise. He was simply doing what he thought was right at the time... and keep in mind that military decisions aren't solely constructed and carried out by the president.
Im only a registered democrat, i dont believe in everything it stands for, im an anarcho-socialist i believe in getting rid of large government and corporate power, ending the military industrial complex, and promoting secular humanist values, there are no true liberals in Washington
It is pretty obvious that Reagan will not be remembered for that. The Republicans are always talking about how great he was, and the Democrats don't really argue that they are wrong. So, Reagan will be remembered as a good president.
If they need a republican president to look up toward they have : Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Dwight Eisenhower, i think its weird they choose to identify with reagan over them
It is because liberals like him as well that he is able to be considered so good. Plus, it is better to use the most recent presidents because we can't really talk about Abe Lincoln when the big technology of the time was railroads.
You guys should be talking about how great Clinton was. Too bad he had the intern problem, otherwise you could talk about him a lot. We should treat Clinton like Reagan and talk about him a lot because the economy was good then.
No, worship is unhealthy, no one is perfect, i like FDR a lot but i don't believe he was the most perfect human being ever, talk to a conservative about reagan they talk about him like he was some perfect human who did no wrong. If you even say a comment negative about him they jump at you with overall insults as if it is something blasphemous, i know there are liberals out there who may do this also, but there not as many.
Reagan did a few good things, but overall he was no different than any of the other cold war era presidents before him, his influence in my opinion did more negative than good.
Truman? So you don't like Reagan because he supported anti-communist rebels who eventually turned genocidal, but you do like the guy who ordered an atomic bomb be dropped on a city full of civilians?
Im not saying any if these men were perfect, btw he only did that because it was the only way to end the war quickly, had we invaded main land japan, it would have resulted in far more american soldiers and japanese civilians losing lives
Hes done nothing but pander to these right wing nutjobs, and he has done nothing to stop these wars started by bush overseas, in fact hese expanded them, he wont take a stand on anything, conservatives are the ones who should love him, not liberals
Hes done nothing but pander to these right wing nutjobs
That doesn't sound like Obama at all, I think you are confused. I hope you are not against him compromising with the right to get stuff done. Even then I don't see him pandering at all, he has a terrible liberal agenda.
Well... thanks for the advice, but I don't watch Fox News very often. I watch CNN just as often, which isn't very much. I just know when to give credit where credit is due. You're assuming that I'm a conservative, aren't you? lol
Trust me, you haven't looked deeper into Reagan... unless there is some sort of astonishing information you obtained straight from inside sources. Democrats hate the fact that the Republicans had what was clearly a good president. They want to diminish his image in an attempt to say "Look! When was the last time the Republicans had a good, honest president in office?". That's politics buddy! They don't play fair. I believe that the reason we keep having shitty presidents, is because we keep electing career politicians.
That's your opinion. I'd say they were about equal and the deciding factor for each individual is based on their values and which president represented them more.
It seems pretty obvious. I don't support attacking them, but Assad's regime has been killing Syrian civilians left and right for a couple of years now. He even bombed a children's hospital. On top of all that, Assad had a shit-load of chemical weapons that he agreed to hand over to the UN.
Yeah, well... I lean more towards the theory that Assad was behind the attacks... but I don't completely discount the possibility that it was the rebels.
I could share with you a video of what has been going on in Syria if you want... I have to warn you though, it's pretty gruesome.
Yeah, he was the leader of the UNITA. He was supported by more than just Reagan, because they wanted him to win the war against the MPLA, who was supported by the Soviet Union.
Compared to all of our Presidents, nobody can really say that FDR was a bad president... but the Reagan hate is entirely unnecessary as well. The majority of the negative comments that liberals make regarding him are usually based off of conspiracy theories. Look at the known facts and base your opinion off of that. What it comes down to, is that you don't like him because of the (R) that was next to his name. The letter doesn't matter! That's why we keep electing shitty presidents. Be proud that your nation had presidents as respected as FDR and Reagan. We need more like them.
1. Support the mujahideen in afghanistan, whom would later form the very same terrorist groups that attacked us on 9/11 and that we are fighting now
I thought I already made it clear that Reagan could not see into the future.
2. Said we wouldn't negotiate with terrorists in the iranian hostage crisis but secretly gave them weapons
Did Reagan bring his backpack full of guns and set up a booth for the Iranians? The CIA was negotiating for the release of the hostages. Desperate times call for desperate measures. I'm not sure why you're bringing Iran up anyways. Has that come back to bite us in the ass yet? We have tension with them, but we aren't at war with them. In fact, Kerry is meeting with them for peace talks sometime in the next few weeks.
3. Ignored global warming and scrapped many environmental efforts ( such as the solar pannels on the white house that Jimmy Carter invested in)
I hate to break it to you, but neither Democrat or Republicans are too concerned about global warming. They say that they're "green" in an attempt to win votes.
4. Supported apartheid in south Africa
But the Anti-Apartheid act was passed regardless and it's main enforcer was George H.W Bush.
5. Called black women "welfare queens"
Never heard that one lol, but if we're pointing out silly things like that... then I'll just point out that FDR was a coke-head.
6. Supported violent anti-communist rebels across the globe whom are responsible for the murder, rape, and genocide of many innocents
He obviously didn't support the murder and rape, but rather the anti-communism part. Like I said before, he couldn't predict the future.
7. Gave breaks to big buisnesses who abused thier workers rights
This is just starting to sound like typical liberal bias.
8. Called HIV "Gods punishment to the gays"
Never heard that one either, but I'm not sure what that has to do with his record.
9. Voted against making Martin Luther King Day a holiday, calling him a communist
But MLK Day became a holiday regardless... so, what is your point? Personally, I definitely do believe MLK deserves recognition... but I'm not entirely sure if he deserves a holiday either.
10. Overspent on our military for his failed and unnessesary "star wars project"
Not sure if I'd call it a failure considering it still exists today as the "Missile Defense Agency".
Im willing to own up to those, FDR wasn't perfect, he did some things i don't approve of, but what I'm trying to point out is that he contributed more positively to our history than Reagan, btw FDR tried to enter the war earlier to stop the germans and japanese but congress wouldn't let him. These conservatives worship Reagan like a God
I think this is a slight exaggeration, but it is still not so bad if you are right. Reagan is actually a reasonable president to look up to. He didn't blindly go conservative and he didn't even follow Reagonomics. The fact that conservatives actually like Reagan is a sign that there is still hope for them. Imagine if they thought Bush was the greatest.
You should see the isolationist policies that he backed before the US joined WWII. By refusing to sell the British empire ships, he almost cost them, and the entire world dearly
Roosevelt's new deal reshaped American economics for about a century, he regulated businesses, passed the National Industrial Recovery Act and guided America out of the great depression. Reagan had sold weapons to Iran and increased out debt.
Roosevelt was behind the Manhattan Project, which basically led to the Cold War. Now we have threats of Nuclear warfare across the globe that could literally lead to the destruction of all civilization. All of this can be traced back to a decision that FDR made during his presidency.
Maybe... but I'm sure there could have been alternatives, rather than dropping an atomic bomb and killing a bunch of civilians. Hell, they could have probably dropped it on a different location. I think that they knew that killing civilians would have a greater impact than killing military.
The Japanese were not going to give up, at all it was one of their policies us traumatizing them with the atom bomb was the only genuine way to send the message telling them we want them to surrender.
While FDR was by no means perfect, he certainly did more than any other President in the history of the United States has done, to relieve the plight of the most vulnerable in society and ensure stability in the economy.
People often argue that the New Deal did not restore economic growth and vitality -- and they'd be right. However, the problem here was not that he was prescribing the wrong medicine, it was that he wasn't prescribing enough of it. In fact, like Obama today, he perhaps carried out a fatal mistake, in cutting back the role of the government in 1937, instead seeking a balanced budget to calm misguided inflationary fears. It was only after WW2, with huge stimulus spending, that America bounced back.
Nonetheless, when one looks at Glass-Steagal, the alphabet agencies, the efforts he made both to mitigate the instabilities of finance capital, and to ensure there were jobs and a relief for the long-term unemployed.
Reagan, on the other hand, began a process which has come to cripple the US economy. From deregulation to deunionisation, banks and businesses were allowed to operate as if they were bandits in the Wild West; meanwhile, worker's protections were all but stripped away, the false theory of monetarism became the dominant philosophy in how to run the economy, and -- lest we forget -- Reagan was a war criminal.
Many of the social ills we face today come from the sort of society and worldview Reagan and his proponents promoted, that remain to this day.
In the end, this is all a president has to be to be deemed successful. ;)
FDR didn't really do anything remarkable and although the 'remarkable' things RR did perhaps had negative aftermaths, he actually bothered to do something and really put his neck out there for USA.
Better attitude, more assertiveness and extreme efficiency make RR the superior President. Corrupt or not, he is superior.
In that case hitler was the best leader of Germany cause he had more assertiveness and really stuck his neck out for Germany and bothered to do something, see how your logic doesn't make sense?
No, i want a system where the community contols everything, where personal liberties are respected (as long as it doesnt harm another individual) , i want no government, no corporations, no hierarchy of leadership, just a community run society with a heavily regulated market. Reagan was pro-corporation, pro-government, anti-people
Im an atheist whom looks up to historical people like martin luther king, he may have been religous but his principles were similar to mine. So just because i believe a certain principle doesnt mean i cant model aspects of it from others
Yes he did, reagan said if a white man doesnt want to serve a black man in a resaraunt, he has the right to, he also voted against every civil rights act he came across and opposed affirmitive action
FDR denounced Lynchings in the south (which were very common at the time) as "organized murder", he provided many relief programs to minorities, and was very supportive of his wifes attempts to encourage desegregation in the military
Reagan never said such bullcrap. Even if he happened to say it against my knowledge that doesn't mean that a black man isn't entitled to refuse serving a white man or even one of their own race (and a white to a white). This just means that you can't go to prison for it. that's all. If anything, that's very liberal to allow different opinions despite offence, that's true freedom.
RR didn't exist when lynching were common. Unfair comparison.
Nope, Reagan did exist when lynchings were common and began heavily endorsing Barry Goldwater when he took an pro segregation stance, and he did say that stuff, do your research, and i believe no one, despite skin color, should be denied a public service even if the server doesnt want to, every human being has that right, if you believed that your taking the "seperate but equal" stance
He did nothing to improve it, in fact during his first presidential campaign in the 80's he declared "I believe in states rights" in a town in the south were two civil rights workers were murdered, ask any black american who lived back then and i guarantee you, they have no fond memory of reagan
He was just as manipulative and fake as Reagan was. Reagan was just more assertive and had an overall more pleasant way that he went about doing his thing.
Frankly, I don't really give a crap who was better or worse since neither was my friend or anything of the sort. RR knew what the right-wing stood for and stayed loyal all the way through FDR was constantly battling on middle-ground never really having a damn clue what he stood for or how to assert himself. He was a safe-playing politician, not a big-dog per say. To be ranked high in my book you have to take a gamble (and win, of course) Reagan did many big moves and most of them won, minus his international relations with the middle east.
Affirmative action FORCES people to hire less qualified blacks over more qualified, whites just to meet a quota. It's utterly restrictive and against civil rights.
How? I believe that anyone who is denied a service based soley on their skin color, sexual orientation, or appearance. In an anarchic society with socialist principles, this would still be possible
The New Deal paved the way for our monster government that we have today (not completely, the Federal Reserve also had to do with it). and while Ronald Reagan expanded the war on drugs, FDR made marijuana illegal for the first time. Sure, we can blame Congress or the Senate, but Reagan has just as much power as FDR when it comes to government's involvement with drugs.
Reagan and FDR are both kind of assholes, but i'd say Reagan was at least a bit less of an asshole due to his philosophy of "less" government, even though he expanded the military. FDR was more like "fuck you, government must grow... grow ... GROW!!!" which still exists in the minds of elitists and Fascists today.
Oh, right, and FDR detained Japanese, Italians, and Germans for being Japanese, Italian, or German.
Both were war mongers, but Reagan was more of a Bush style War monger, while FDR was more just responsible for the Manhattan Project "lol, you want to create something that could possibly blow a hole in our atmosphere? go ahead".
I'd say when it comes to comparing presidents, it makes more sense to ask "who was worse?"
The New Deal paved the way for our monster government that we have today
So you think the US would have been better off with the great depression for the rest of the 20th century, I hate to tell you this but Ayn Rand laissez faire capitalism is completely outdated if we had no regulations on businesses,if we had no Federal Reserve, if we had no National Industrial Recovery Act there would be no middle class, the middle class would simply be non existent! Don't believe me? The top 1% has 40% of the nations wealth, now just imagine laissez faire capitalism applied to that. case closed
The New Deal did not fix the economy. It actually slowed down economic recovery until the War increased debt and passed on the debt to future citizens.
Ayn Rand laissez faire capitalism is completely outdated if we had no regulations on businesses,if we had no Federal Reserve, if we had no National Industrial Recovery Act there would be no middle class, the middle class would simply be non existent! Don't believe me? The top 1% has 40% of the nations wealth, now just imagine laissez faire capitalism applied to that. case closed
Not sure if trolling, but here we go:
Ayn Rand did not create Laissez Faire Capitalism. In fact, she still supported government and the Federal Reserve. She supported Aristocracies. She was just more for economic liberty than the progressive movement of the time (and the Socialists from her home country.) Most Market Anarchist views do not come from Ayn Rand. She's just a philosopher/writer that is influential in our view-points, but there are plenty of things that she conflicts with Libertarians and Anarchists.
As for the rest, clearly the regulations and Federal Reserve have failed considering that the top 1% has 40% of the nation's wealth. Don't believe me? You just said it.
FDR had a lot good ideas, but he is the classic Fascist liberal. He was elected four times, attempted to water down the supreme court, unsuccessfully tried to stifle dissent within the democratic party. Father Charles Coughlin is the classic example where FDR used his covert powers to crush his critics. If you did not have a blue New Deal sticker at your place of business, his undercover mob would make sure you did.
They were both great presidents, and they both had their faults. I just respect RR more than I respect FDR. FDR also how way longer in office than RR so he had more time to get things done.
