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Tim Kaine Mike Pence
Debate Score:27
Arguments:16
Total Votes:33
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Who won the First Vice Presidential Debate Last Night?

Last night, the two running mates of the presidential candidates faced off with each other. Tim Kaine, running mate to Democrat Hillary Clinton, faced off with Mike Pence, running mate to Republican Mike Pence. Who do you think "won" the debate last night and why?

Tim Kaine

Side Score: 10
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Mike Pence

Side Score: 17

Staying calm while lying doesn't really count as a win for me.

For people who judge based on facts rather than style (granted that number seems to be dwindling) - Kaine did better on that score.

Tim Kaine helped his candidate in the long run; Pence did not defend his candidate and setup the inevitable commercials showing Pence disagreeing with Trump.

Side: Tim Kaine
4 points

Pence won in the eyes of the voters, based on staying calm and cool throughout. I suspect Kaine was poorly advised that he needed to project an attack stance. If he had just relaxed it would have made a difference.

If someone were to see only a transcript of what was said then I think it would have been Kaine's night. Much of the night for Pence was spent refusing to back up direct statements by Trump, as well as his own voting record. But that doesn't matter to Trump's core supporters.

The irony in this is Kaine did the same thing Trump gets applauded for doing - getting agitated, interrupting, driving home on soundbytes and talking points. But when Kaine does it people just say he lost his cool, and when Trump does it somehow he is leadership material for doing it.

We'll see what the polls show but I doubt this rattles either support base nor causes a scurry of independents to start going Trump.

Side: Mike Pence
2 points

I just wanted to add, now that I've been voted down for my analysis, that others in the formal debate world agree.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/opinions/debate-coach-pence-kaine-graham-opinion/ index.html

I actually used to debate against Southern Illinois University 30 years ago. They had a different coach back then but they were a powerhouse in debate then just like now. Bottom line is people who understand debate clash and judge on more than just appearances would give Kaine the win. That's not your average voter, but it does correlate to my claim that someone looking at just a transcript of the debate would say Kaine won.

Side: Mike Pence
1 point

He graded the vice presidential debate based on the presidential debate. That's like giving someone an A in math because they wrote a great essay in their English class.

Side: Mike Pence
2 points

Re:"The irony in this is Kaine did the same thing Trump gets applauded for doing - getting agitated, interrupting, driving home on soundbytes and talking points. But when Kaine does it people just say he lost his cool, and when Trump does it somehow he is leadership material for doing it."

The difference is, Trump was correcting the record, Kaine was being rude and disruptive; big difference.

Side: Tim Kaine
1 point

Except of Trumps 55 interruptions, all of about 3 of them had anything to do with even attempting to correct the record.

The rest were the same type of obnoxious behavior as Tim Kaine's.

Side: Mike Pence

I think Pence was calm, cool, collected and measured, a stark contrast to Kaine who was hyper, disruptive and annoying. I do think that Pence should have countered some of the accusations laid on hm by Kaine, but maybe is was better that he didn't go down those rabbit holes; he refused to be baited. I do think debates are often won afterwards in the MSM spin cycle. We shall see.

Side: Mike Pence
-1 points

There's no question who won.

Kaine was an attack dog spewing the same laughable lies and exaggerations towards Trump.

Since Democrats have the vast majority of our biased Liberal media on their side, they can continually lie to the electorate and get away with it. Their voting blocks will believe anything they say.

How many times do these Democrats spew the lie that Trump thinks ALL Mexicans are drug trafficers, rapists, etc.?

How many times do they spew the lie that Trump hates ALL Muslims and would keep them all from our nation?

How many times do they spew the lie that Trump hates women and calls them all fat cows?

Lets see, according to Hillary and other Democrats, millions of Americans are deplorable and irredeemable. They say half of those who vote for Trump are sexist, racists, homophobic, Islamaphobic, xenophobic, etc.

TALK ABOUT INSULTING AMERICANS!!!!!!

WHAT ARROGANT ELITIST FOOLS!

Side: Mike Pence