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I rather choose to live for Jesus because Jesus wins in the end. He defeats Satan. It's sad to see that some people would rather choose Satan rather than Jesus.
lol Jesus was never a deceiver because He never sinned, and also Satan never died on the cross for anybody. Satan only cares about himself because he wants to become like God but never will.
If a lie of omission is still considered a lie, then either Jesus or Paul of Tarsus is a liar.
After all, Paul asserted several things regarding the will of Jesus as it pertained to the conduct of the new church. Either Jesus failed to explain everything pertinent before he passed (and let's face it, if it went down as asserted, there is no way Jesus was on earth any longer or shorter than was intended- and most of what Paul had to say was not particularly complicated either), or Paul made assertions of things that Jesus did not intend.
Satan has them fooled into believing they have the right to exist outside of Hell as sinners. They choose to be God's enemies and bring destruction on themselves in ignorance....willful ignorance because if the really want to know the truth and be saved, they will hunger and thirst after righteousness and be filled. Men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil. They try to avoid God because He is light and their deeds will be exposed and they fear the repercussions of their own evil and think that by avoiding God their evil can continue without punishment in death. They hate God and love death.
Wow, you seriously didn't pay attention in Bible class, did you? Not that I am or am not a christian or anything (I have no comment on that) but what you just said is seriously wrong.
God didn't choose ignorance. He knew that the fruit was bad for the human race and that knowledge of good and evil would lead to sin and death. If you knew your children would die if they did something, would you let them?
Yet God gave humanity a choice (according to the bible that is) and warned Adam and Eve that they would die if they ate the fruit. So you see, God gave humanity choice and not ignorance. If God wanted ignorance for man he'd just leave the tree there and give no warnings so that when Adam and Eve would eat from the tree he could show up and laugh at them and say that they had done something wrong due to their ignorance.
You are not only entirely unaware of this but actually support satan who according to the bible is plotting to kill everybody. Satan didn't give people knowledge because in the first place the harmful knowledge wasn't his. It was simply there. God gave free choice and warned against it.
Satan advocated it for the destruction of mankind. So you see, you are being utterly ridiculous! (No offense) though I must say that this argument I have just presented is according to what the bible says, not me. I have no comment on my religon.
So you see, God gave humanity choice and not ignorance.
No, He gave them both. Ignorance is the absence of knowledge and God would have us living without the knowledge making us ignorant.
give no warnings
Technically, without the knowledge of evil one doesn't have any idea what death is and any warning would be meaningless, thus not real.
laugh at them and say that they had done something wrong due to their ignorance.
That is a horrible vision of good you have. Welcome to the dark side. Why do you think God would get pleasure from laughing at humans?
ou are not only entirely unaware of this but actually support satan who according to the bible is plotting to kill everybody.
The only one who has plots to kill people succeed in the Bible is God. Satan doesn't wipe out every human on the planet. Satan doesn't destroy cities. Satan may be plotting to kill, but God is doing it.
Satan advocated it for the destruction of mankind
God listens to Satan? God is the only one to attempt mankind's destruction.
according to what the bible says
The bible was written by a lunatic admitting his horrible deeds.
He created the earth, he gave us all this nice stuff yet people still Betray him by killing you family or cheating on your wife! It sickens me to see where the worlds at right now , the only thing that's gotten smarter was technology
umm... i don't understand how people would rather choose satanism over our god the father? i mean like seriously, if you truly read the bible, you would understand that satan is mainly for jealousy and so many other terms that i can't even explain. but first of all, jesus gave his life to pay for all of your sins so you may live eternally in heaven with God and JEsus. so why should you take away your gift from GOd? i understand if your a satanist and you here this term over and over agian but the messiah gave up his humble life to suffer in our places so we may be able to live in heaven eternally. satan is known for hell and if you rather worship satan, taht means that you're going into hell where eternal pain and fire is there. i mean like seriously, i would pick god for what i would choose to be my savior
Forgive me but you can hardly call those lies. The arguments on that debate are comprised of factual evidence from the Bible. If you call those lies you are pretty much calling your own holy book lies.
How do you know your god is the good guy? What if what you thought about god was false and in reality Satan (the person your religions portrays to be evil) was the good guy this whole time?
I have experienced demonic attacks animedude, demons are servants of Satan and they are pure evil. They hate Christians and their growls are so creepy you never forget the sound.
That's the devil's trick to make you think you are the good guy and God is not good. It's the summary of the devil's argument against God, accusing God of not being good because God refused to allow Lucifer to sit on the throne of God, to be worshipped as God, to steal God's glory by using the powers God gave him as tools to lead rebellion against God.
The devil is trying to keep you believing that you have the right to exist outside of Hell because you are as good as God. The devil is teaching you to invent accusatory arguments against God in order to make you feel powerful......so he gives you arguments for which you feel there is no way of being contradicted....and all of those arguments depend on the idea of God not being good. God is good. The devil is a liar. Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved from Hell while the devil is doomed to be chained in the fire forever.
I never made an agreement with you. I never will make an agreement with someone that has been banned for this site several times. You shouldn't even be here!!
I am Jesus Christ all the way :D He has changed my life in so many good ways, im so happy im living for Him. Once you give Your life to Him, nothing is ever the same again :D God Bless you all :D
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The only way you can follow Jesus' example is to take up your cross daily and follow Him. That cross is for your death. Jesus took your place on the cross, took your death, so in His resurrection you can be forgiven of your sins. He took your sins to the grave, buried them, and you can be free of the penalty of your sins which is Hell. Though suffering for sin will remain in your body of death, Jesus will be your life, a new Spirit in you, making you a child of God fit for Heaven. He promises a new body, free of dying, like His resurrected body, to all who trust in Him, believing on Him who conquered death for them. He is God and He is the only hope of life...God gives life and life means God is good.
The Life of God, which is in the Word of God, has the power not only to bring you eternal life but also to heal your mortal body! Holy God words are updated daily here. "My words are life to those who grasp them and health (medicine) to all your flesh" - Proverbs 4:22. Jesus didn't leave us helpless! He gave us power and authority over all of the ability of the enemy. What so ever we bind in His name, He will back up! - He is our champion! He destroyed the power of the devil at Calvary and then gave us the right, power and ability over all his works. You cannot live in sin and receive the blessings of the Lord. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness"
33 people might say that they will live their lives for satan they are wrong. If you do that, you're Satanic not Catholic, second satan is a fallen angel from heaven and is a not a follower of god anymore, third reason is that Jesus is the Savior and will save the ones who praise him and his father not those who praise satan.
You're the poor soul who has turned against God and all the goodness in the word. God has created all life on earth and has done so since Adam and eve.
Satanic piece of crap you know nothing compared to what I know our god. I study the bible and I make sure that The word of god is heard and that the devil is banished to hell and his word will never be heard.
Praising Jesus won't get you saved. Nothing you do can ever be enough to get you saved. If you praise Jesus from now until you die, it's not enough to get you saved. Hell will be your prison forever if you think praising Jesus will earn your salvation.
We are either saved or we are not saved. You either have eternal life now or you do not. You are saved from Hell now or you are lost to it and need to be saved from it. You can't claim middle ground and earn the right to exist outside of Hell be trying to be good and doing good things. In trying to be good and doing good things, you can only be dying and corrupt, not good.
If you guys would only know the power that God had over us you would know that Satan is the liar and the false god and those who follow him will never see the light of heaven in their life. When they die they will only hear the crack of whip's the smell of death and the heat of the eternal fire which is the base plate of hell.
PRIDE is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.
ENVY is the desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation.
GLUTTONY is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.
LUST is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.
ANGER is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.
GREED is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.
SLOTH is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work
In the Name of Jesus Christ i bind the powers controling you Cuaroc! you do not need to pray to Satan for us Christians, I would rather die than side with Satan. Satan is a disgusting hog and he deserves to burn in hell with his demonic army. I WILL NEVER TURN MY BACK ON JESUS CHRIST! HE is my refuge and my strength and HE cleansed me of sin. Shove that down your throat and chew on it for awhile.
Curic, i dont need your prayers!! Im gonna hit you with everything i got too. I send the Holy Fire of Jesus Christ upon you Curic, in the Name of Jesus Christ!!! I am a man of God and i dont need your satanic prayers, they are evil and selfish and wrong! I also bind all your satanic powers in Jesus Name and I send them back to hell where they belong!!!! This goes for you and all the people in your satanic group!!! Satan will always lose against Jesus Christ, ALWAYS!!! You satanists think you have all the power, well sorry to burst your selfish bubble, YOU DONT HAVE ALL THE POWER IN THE WORLD. I thank God everyday for sending Jesus Christ to die on the cross for our sins. Im telling you this Curic because im not afraid of Satan anymore! he is a coward and an abomination to everyone and he will burn in the lake of fire with all the rest of his followers and demonic army!!! The BIBLE clearly says so, and I believe it with all my heart!!!
You can take your prayers and shove them down your throat, i dont need them. I have Jesus Christ and i dont need Satan EVER! I hate Satan and i will never turn to him! you got that Cuaroc???? I will be praying for you, that Jesus Christ sets you free from this evil inside you.
I do not need your prayers nor do i want them, I will pray for you that you will be delivered from evil by the Lord Jesus Christ. Satan is the father of lies, not Jesus Christ.
I choose Jesus Christ, because He is Lord of all..... you guys it comes down to this, you either choose Jesus or you choose Satan. Those who choose Satan will suffer with him in hell for eternity, while those who choose Jesus will live eternally with Him. You guys, our time here on earth grows shorter with each passing day and I wont be sugar coating the truth. You are either for Jesus or against Him.... its your choice and God will honor that choice, I know for a fact that i dont want to suffer for eternity and i dont want anyone else to suffer like that either. John 14:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
No one can go to the Father except through Jesus Christ. He is the ONLY WAY, the ONLY TRUTH, and the ONLY LIFE.
its that simple, and if you cant believe me, then it sucks for you because you are on your way to hell.
Jesus lifts our burdens..... Matthew 11:28-30 New International Version (NIV)
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Jesus was sent here to save us and not condemn us..... John 3:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jesus is going to return soon...... Revelation 22:12-21 New International Version (NIV)
Epilogue: Invitation and Warning
12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.
18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.
Ive given you some scriptures, now the ball is in your court...... are you going to open the door and invite Jesus into your life? I did and it was the best decision of my life, and it can be yours too :D
Jesus prayed for us believers....... John 17:20-26 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Prays for All Believers
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26 I have made you[a] known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”
Choose Jesus Christ today, you will be glad you did :D
I may have no comments on my religon but FINALLY! You sir have a brain. I may not agree with the other things you say (Because I haven't read them yet) but nevertheless, great job on this. KJV is the only accurate bible for the christians, though I am not saying wether I am one or not. I have no comment on that. Anyway, you seem nice. Also there is some idiot trying to challenge you to a debate by the way. You should go answer it, it is the first debate on the debates page. Also if you have time, go read my ANTI-Homosexuality argument in one of my older arguments. I think you will learn alot on how Homosexuality is actually Pysolocgical trauma that has been brought upon otherwise normal people due to other causes.
I'm guessing that you are a Muslim. Mohammed was nothing but a desert dwelling thief who adopted a pagan god, the moon god, as his excuse for being a murderer, thief, and child molester. He was a devil possessed liar. Islam is from Hell, doctrines of demons.
I have spoken extensively with many Muslims, some jihadist and most "moderate", a euphemism by which extremely violent Islam is supported. All of Islam's leaders cower in fear under the gun, that's why they bend over in prayer with their head behind stinky desert butt of the guy in front of them, and they do all they can to blow gas at Jerusalem in their stupidity of hatred and love of death.
I grew up with NIV so its the version i use.... but it doesnt matter. Jesus Christ is who matters to me, not what version of the Bible I should use. The Bible is the Word of God and it is all truth..... I have a passion to live for Jesus Christ and that is what counts..... the Lord doesnt care about the Bible version you use, He cares about who you choose to live for. Jesus came so that we could be in heaven. Its time for the Saints to rise in Jesus Name and stand up for what is right. That Jesus Christ is Lord of all and He is the only way to heaven. If Jesus did not die on the cross for our sins, we would all be burning in hell for our sins. Now my next issue, i have had satanists commenting on here that they will pray for me to turn to satan.... here is my answer to that..... I WILL NEVER TURN TO SATAN AND I WILL NEVER BOW TO him..... I would rather die than choose the mark of the beast. Also Christians have power over satanists.... so you can curse me and my brothers and sisters in Christ all you want.... but i declare in the Name of Jesus Christ those curses will come back at you times 7 and they would turn into blessings upon the children of God. I also bind all demonic powers in the Name of Jesus Christ..... Satan is defeated!!!!! and his doom is sealed!!!
The Thousand Years
20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
The Judgment of Satan
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Its really funny watching satan writhe in pain in the Name of Jesus Christ.... Satan is a coward and a child just having a temper tantrum cuz God kicked him outta heaven..... I thank the Lord Jesus everyday that I have authority over satan and his demonic army, I also thank Jesus for giving me new life in Him :D
You are of the devil, Cuaroc and so when Jesus was tempted by Satan, what did He say to him?
Jesus Is Tested in the Wilderness
4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[b]”
5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”
7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”
8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”
11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.
That is what i say to you Cuaroc.... Away from me Satan I command you in the Name of Jesus Christ. I cast your dark powers to hell forever and ever in the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit!!! and i cover you with the Blood of Jesus Christ which cleanses us from our sins and makes us whiter than snow!!!!
Why would you follow someone who is total evil and bent on destroying everything??? The Bible clearly says where Satan is going... and all his followers with him......
The Judgment of Satan
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
I appreciate your passion, but you are unaware of the problems with the NIV and it's intended purpose when created by it's editors and publishers. The Lord most certainly does care about what we claim is His word. The NIV is not "The Bible".
Here is a brief summary of one of the many reasons the NIV should be rejected and never used by born-again believers...even if they did get saved through another Christian's leading using NIV references.
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So what's wrong with the NIV? In a word... EVERYTHING! Do you have any idea how many things were eviscerated (disemboweled) from the Bible by the NIV authors? Hundreds of words, phrases, and even entire Bible verses were removed from the Word of God by the NIV butchers. Whereas the King James Bible mentions the "Godhead" three times, the NIV has completely removed the word. You won't find the word "propitiation" in the NIV either. In fact, all of the following words have been removed from the Bible by the NIV butchers: regeneration, mercyseat, Calvary, remission, Jehovah, immutable, omnipotent, Comforter, Holy Ghost, quickened, infallible, et cetera. One of the most blasphemous omissions in the NIV is in John 3:16 where Jesus is no longer proclaimed as the “only BEGOTTEN Son of God.”
Yes, that's right, the NIV butchers removed the word "begotten" from John 3:16. How in the name of truth and justice could any professed Christian use the New International Version? Yet, it's the most popular bible version sold on the market today. If I had a billion dollars, I'd make an offer to churches all across America. I'd exchange brand new King James Bibles for their perverted NIVs. I'd give them new Bibles for their old corrupt bibles. They would first have to give me their NIVs so I could BURN THEM! I'd burn every NIV I could find.
The NIV translators removed 64,576 words as compared to the King James Bible! Words are very important! God put “every Word” there for a reason, i.e., so we could live by them! Matthew 4:4, “It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” If I am to live for God, then I need an “every Word” Bible. We have it thank God, in the inspired King James Bible! The Bible is truth!
This is not something to argue about, its from the devil and lies from the pit of hell, so i will not acknowledge this argument.... it only will cause strife and division.
You are correct, it is not something to argue about. The facts clearly show that if you love God and Jesus is your Savior, the NIV should be destroyed completely.
You are correct, it is not something to argue about. The facts clearly show that if you love God and Jesus is your Savior, the NIV should be destroyed completely.
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
He is the only way to heaven so why reject Him when we can choose Him and live for eternity with Him in heaven :D thats the most amazing gift God could ever give for us. I will never forget what Jesus did for us on the cross..... Thank you Lord Jesus, I will never be able to repay what You did for me on the cross. I love You Lord and I will never stop loving You.
Why live for an idiot? I don't like name calling but sometimes you just have to. I mean really, Satan was sent out of heaven and into hell thinking that he was as good or even better than the all mighty. If you think that Satan has all the power then you are just as insane as the devil himself. If Satan had more power than God then Satan wouldn't be in hell. Let me just say that if you want to suffer then by all means go ahead. You'll see.
I definitely live for Satan. God created the world and gave humans the right to free will, but doesn't accept their choices and sends them to Hell. Satan on the hand, represents human tendencies which we all know we have. So why not live for Satan if he's the only that actually accepts the fact that we can make our own choices.
This is crazy that you would believe that. Here's the thing: SATAN DOESNT CARE ABOUT YOU!!! All Satan cares about is going against our Lord which means he gets in our heads and wants us to sin. God on the other hand loves us dearly to the ends of the earth and a million light years back and then some. You say God created the world and gave humans free will which is a true statement. You go on to say in the last sentence that Satan accepts the fact that we make our on choices. THAT MAKES NO SENSE THESE 2 STATMENTS!! Think about that. That last sentence basically means God doesn't accept that we make our own choices. If that's true then answer me this: why would he give us free will if he can't accept the fact that we make our own choices? Haha makes no sense. And those "human tendencies" is I'm guessing you mean what we can do in this life and human tendencies that he loves is us going against God. God is good always and Satan shows us the worst of the world so it amazes me why people would want to choose the bad way out to live the rest of your life with him in hell while if you follow God he promises eternal happieness which, unless your completely crazy, you would want eternal happieness. The reason why God gave us free will is so we can decide what we do and what we believe in so that means we can choose to love him or to leave him. Either one you choose he will be there for you because he will always love you but that's what he wants you to do. He doesn't want you to be luck warm and be on the fence. He either wants us to love him or leave him. We should all love him because he wants us to spend our lives with him.
God accepts your choice of preferring sin over obedience to Him. He gives you that choice, and you have made it. Now you need His mercy to be restored from dying to living, from eternal death separated from God to eternal life reconciled with God.
You would choose to remain outside of Hell forever, would you not?
Satan knows the punishment which awaits him, and knows it is forever as it cannot change him from being what he is, an adversary of God. God can change you in that he took on a body like yours to pay your price of disobedience. He became sin for you so that you can be made the righteousness of God in Christ by His resurrection if you will believe on Him as the Son of God, and ask God the Father in the name of God the Son, Jesus, to save you from Hell. The devil has no way of striking back at God other than to keep you from believing God and trusting Him to be saved. God loves you and died for you to save you from Satan's Hell. Hell was created for the devil and his angels, and they are trying to pull you down with them. They know what they are doing and they know their fate. They are trying to keep you dying in the dark. God is trying to bring you to the Light who is Jesus.
There is a false light in the world, as the devil disguises himself as an angel of light making people believe lies. Living for Satan is dying with the devil, and being doomed to an eternity void of anything good. All good things are gifts from God, the devil offers perverted pleasure in abusing the good things God gave for life.
God loves you and wants you to make your own choice. God wants you to choose to trust Him, to choose to love Him, to choose to believe on His Son who died for you, in your place, so you can be forgiven by Him in His resurrection. You can have eternal life now and forever and know it as the gift of God. Receive Jesus Christ as your Savior, He is the gift of God which is eternal life through Him.
But does Satan forgive you for your mistakes? Or does he remind you over and over again that you sinned? God forgives those who ask Him. Try asking Him sometime :D
The way I see it, when god created reality, he, in the most commonly accepted definition of omnipotence, knew everything that would happen ("I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end"). This means that when he created the angels, including Satan, he created them the way he did knowing what Satan would do. Which, in my opinion, means Satan would ultimately simply be a victim of a rather cruel and sadistic system created by a god who then punished him for going according to the system God created.
Glad you asked, keep in mind I'm specifically talking about theistic satanism (obviously). To me Luciferian seems interesting to me. They believe Satan was once the true god when the christian god kidnapped his throne. They believe one day Satan will reclaim his throne against the evil man known as "the christian god" and his evil son known as "Jesus Christ". I think what makes this particular type of Satanism so unique is that they portray Satan as the good guy and The christian god as the bad guy. Whats even more interesting is that Luciferian satanism believers are not allowed to advertise or tell people about their religion as it is against what their book says. Luciferian Satanism is also for scientific advancement and scientific reason (not seen in alot of religions).
Why do you think that Jesus Christ is evil? I really dont understand that. Also God was on His throne and then Lucifer became jealous and wanted to be like God. So he rebelled against God and was thrown out of heaven along with 1/3 of the angels with him.
That's according to your religion though. I never said Jesus Christ was evil I was talking about what Luciferian Satanism thought about him. I'm not actually a satanist.
You should read "Blood on the Doorposts", written by one of the highest priests, or whatever he was called, in Satanism. He explains very well how he held to the "theistic Satanism" beliefs you speak of here, and how he sought powers in magic and rituals as he climbed through the ranks of Satanism reaching close to the most intimate levels in those circles.
He came out of it and now ministers reaching out to people who are enslaved in Satanism....so many people in some of the most vile sinning imaginable.
Satan is a liar, and he and his devils do all they can to deceive people into believing they have the right to exist outside of Hell and cannot be punished in it's fire. Satan will be no more than a worm in Hell, squirming powerless confined forever......and God will never change, always living and giving life, always being against sin and evil, always being God, always being love. Jesus is God who conquered death and Satan knows it. Satan knows he is doomed.
Really bx? Because he gives some of the most brutal treatment to his followers. He has been a liar from the day he was thrown out of heaven, and forever will be. His doom is the lake of fire. Satan wants to destroy all that God has created, including us. So how is that a better deal? God gave us life, and He wants us to live with Him for eternity, with no pain and suffering, and loss, and no sin. That is the best thing that could ever happen, living forever and ever worshiping Jesus Christ, i cant wait to meet Him face to face, hear His voice, see the scars on His hands and feet. The suffering He went through for me is more than i can repay Him for. Thank you Jesus for taking my place and paying the full price for my sins, it is a sacrifice of ultimate love that i will never be able to repay. Thank you for saving me from my sins, and wiping me clean. I will never turn my back on You because You sacrificed everything for me, and that is why I gave You my life and my heart. I pray you would open eyes on this debate, and help the others to see that You are the real deal and not just some fairy tale. Amen
Because he gives some of the most brutal treatment to his followers.
Some of us like it brutal ;D
He has been a liar from the day he was thrown out of heaven, and forever will be.
We all lie once in a while.
His doom is the lake of fire.
Hot tubs are nice.
Satan wants to destroy all that God has created, including us.
We all have to die some day. Plus some of gods creations are stupid anyways (aka viruses, mosquitos, etc)
God gave us life, and He wants us to live with Him for eternity, with no pain and suffering, and loss, and no sin.
If that was true, then why is there pain, suffering, loss, and sin? If god simply eliminated it all, everything would be alright. So pull the free-will card so that I can respond again, yea? :D
That is the best thing that could ever happen, living forever and ever worshiping Jesus Christ
I am a man of God and this website I believe is about exchange of ideas but this comment right here is idiots in the making.
1. Your so stupid if you love brutality
2. We lie because we sin and God will forgive us for or sin. Just because we lie does it make it good? No. Just because people murder people does it make it good? No. It's morality 101
3. Pleasssssse tell me that's sarcasm because if it is then haha but that's not a good argument but if it's not then this truly an idiot in the making like I said before
4. Everything God made is for a reason. Some we have no idea why like you said will viruses and mosquitoes etc. yes we have to die one day so does that mean we stop believing in God? No. Plus which one is better: live in what can be the worst place unimaginable (with satan) or living with someone who promises and will give us eternal happiness (with God) I mean if you had to choose something that made you bored or something you would have fun with. It's common sense 101
5. Yes the "free will card" is the answer. God gave us free will to live out our lives to either love him or reject him. If he eliminated us then why give us free will in the first place. Plus we are the ones that make suffering and pain in this world by Us committing murder, rape, and other crimes. It's not Gods fault. Now you say it is his fault that we do that because he gives us the right to do it because of free will. Now all of that is right except for the fact that it's not Gods fault because that's the reason he gave us free will. To love him, follow his word, and stay away from sin so we can continue to love him. Plus, it wasn't God that created sin. Read the first book of the bible. It was Satan, yes your "beloved all loving leader" satan that tempted people to do wrong. HE WANTS US TO DO WRONG!!!!! That's like have bad parents who don't care about you
6. We worship so we can continue to love him because just loving him is worshiping him
7. He died to save us for the eternal suffering of your "God" which I'm guessing is satan
8. Amen means "I believe" in case you didn't know so that statement is so dumb
I this this debate is just trying to find out who has common sense and who doesn't.
Are you a satanist? because you really act like one. Also by the way, Jesus Christ has power over Satan. I have had demons screaming for mercy by mentioning the Name of Jesus Christ. When you give a command to demons in Jesus Name they have to listen to you. The Name of Jesus Christ is above every name. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
Also by the way, Jesus Christ has power over Satan.
Damn, really? I always thought Satan would be the man in the relationship :D
I have had demons screaming for mercy by mentioning the Name of Jesus Christ.
You must be pretty bad-ass then. Do you dress in leather and spandex too? It's okay, we're all a little kinky sometimes ;)
When you give a command to demons in Jesus Name they have to listen to you.
What if they don't?
The Name of Jesus Christ is above every name.
So it's the best name? Wait... if it is the best name, then shouldn't there be a lot more people with the name of Jesus? Or is Jesus like Hitler and too egotistical to allow another person to have the same name?
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
In the Name of Jesus Christ i command he demons speaking through you to be silent right now. I know i have authority over you, because Jesus Christ has given it to me. Also Satan is the father of lies and the enemy of Jesus Christ, so i renounce any allegiance i have given to Satan, in the Name of Jesus Christ, and I confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and no one else is. :D
In the Name of Jesus Christ i command he demons speaking through you to be silent right now.
Fuk you.
I know i have authority over you, because Jesus Christ has given it to me.
Oh, so now you have authority over another person because "Jesus" has given you it? That's dangerous thinking you know; soon you'll be saying that you have authority over everyone, and when that happens you'll be the most foolish person ever.
Also Satan is the father of lies and the enemy of Jesus Christ, so i renounce any allegiance i have given to Satan, in the Name of Jesus Christ, and I confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and no one else is. :D
I'm going to call you out as a troll. Though I myself made jokes throughout my responses, I did still give some actual questions to critically discuss. You on the other have just basically been saying "praise jesus". You are a fail troll whom is far too easy to identify.
I am no troll, Im here to tell the truth about Jesus :D This also proves that the Name of Jesus Christ has power. You reacted to it :D Plus me praising Jesus makes me happy. If you really feel that way about me, then you can just not comment on this debate anymore :D God Bless you and have a blessed Friday :D
Not exactly Generic, its kind of hard to explain if you have not experienced it for yourself. I have never had an experience with anyone demonically possessed but i have a feeling that sooner or later i will. So i can not really answer your question right now, but once i have an answer i will
Because my disernment kicked in, and it only does that when demons are controlling someone. Its a Spiritual gift. Im sorry if i have confused you Generic. The thing is that demons can possess people, and ive seen some real video clips of that and its scary stuff. Demonic possession has actually killed people because the demons just take full control of the person and they dont come back. I wasnt commanding bx, I was commanding the demons speaking through him. Also not all people who are mean are possessed, now if people do things that are so ungodly and immoral that it cant be explained any other way, then you can consider possession. Its very difficult to come by because demons dont want to be exposed to any other people. Usually the Name of Jesus Christ causes a reaction, like a curse word or something else, and causes the demon to manifest, which makes the demon vulnerable to being cast out.
"I have had demons screaming for mercy by mentioning the Name of Jesus Christ. When you give a command to demons in Jesus Name they have to listen to you."
Hold on, what?
Are you claiming that you have confronted actual demons?
Yes i have, and there is nothing good in them. Pure evil and not to be dealt with unless you have Jesus Christ as your protector. I have had demons almost pull me from my bed, and come haunt the Christian overnight camp i went to.
God flooded the Earth, but He saved Noah and his family and all those animals on the ark. That is how people started all over again. When Jesus came and died on the cross everything changed. When i gave my life to Jesus, i became much happier and wanting to live my life for Him. I cant really explain it cuz its different with every person. Just give Him a chance and you will see what i mean :D
God flooded the Earth, but He saved Noah and his family and all those animals on the ark.
Satan never flooded the Earth.
That is how people started all over again.
Started over again from the actions taken by God, not Satan.
When Jesus came and died on the cross everything changed. When i gave my life to Jesus, i became much happier and wanting to live my life for Him. I cant really explain it cuz its different with every person. Just give Him a chance and you will see what i mean :D
I am glad Jesus makes you happy, but you lose me when you lie about Satan.
Here is some scripture that supports what i said about Satan.
Job 1 New International Version (NIV)
Prologue
1 In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil. 2 He had seven sons and three daughters, 3 and he owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen and five hundred donkeys, and had a large number of servants. He was the greatest man among all the people of the East.
4 His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would make arrangements for them to be purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, “Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” This was Job’s regular custom.
6 One day the angels[a] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan[b] also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”
8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”
9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”
12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”
Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
13 One day when Job’s sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house, 14 a messenger came to Job and said, “The oxen were plowing and the donkeys were grazing nearby, 15 and the Sabeans attacked and made off with them. They put the servants to the sword, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”
16 While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, “The fire of God fell from the heavens and burned up the sheep and the servants, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”
17 While he was still speaking, another messenger came and said, “The Chaldeans formed three raiding parties and swept down on your camels and made off with them. They put the servants to the sword, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”
18 While he was still speaking, yet another messenger came and said, “Your sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house, 19 when suddenly a mighty wind swept in from the desert and struck the four corners of the house. It collapsed on them and they are dead, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”
20 At this, Job got up and tore his robe and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground in worship 21 and said:
“Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
and naked I will depart.[c]
The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away;
may the name of the Lord be praised.”
22 In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.
Job 2 New International Version (NIV)
2 On another day the angels[a] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them to present himself before him. 2 And the Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”
3 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason.”
4 “Skin for skin!” Satan replied. “A man will give all he has for his own life. 5 But now stretch out your hand and strike his flesh and bones, and he will surely curse you to your face.”
6 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, he is in your hands; but you must spare his life.”
7 So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord and afflicted Job with painful sores from the soles of his feet to the crown of his head. 8 Then Job took a piece of broken pottery and scraped himself with it as he sat among the ashes.
9 His wife said to him, “Are you still maintaining your integrity? Curse God and die!”
10 He replied, “You are talking like a foolish[b] woman. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?”
In all this, Job did not sin in what he said.
You see Satan has to get permission from God before he does anything, but just look what he is trying to get Job to do, curse God, even using Job's wife to try to get him to curse God.
The story of Job makes God look terrible too. But, ignoring that, even you pointed out that Satan isn't that bad.
You see Satan has to get permission from God before he does anything, but just look what he is trying to get Job to do, curse God, even using Job's wife to try to get him to curse God.
So, Satan is not trying to destroy everything, Satan is just trying to show God is wrong.
Not at all what i was trying to say Cartman, im saying since Satan was trying to get Job to curse God, was to show that since Satan is not above God, he has to get permission from God before he does anything to God's Children.
Wow, i must not be saying the right words, ugh. Satan rebelled against God and was thrown out of heaven. Im telling you ive delt with demons before and there is no good in them. Just pure evil, all they want is to destroy you. almost been ripped off my bed by them before, but just one command in the Name of Jesus Christ and they were screaming for mercy.
Your welcome, i am sorry i confused you Cartman. I really want people to see the truth about Jesus. He really is loving and caring, I really dont know why people hate Him so much.
They hate the people who act on His behalf and spread hateful messages. They hate people who think it is more important to follow Jesus than to be a good person.
Well im here to spread messages of love and not hate. Im learning how to do that everyday. I know for a fact that i will get better at this as time goes on.
I'm going to 'hell' anyway so...why not worship Satan? He didn't make us like God did. God caused the bad things on Earth by making us. And anyway, I don't even think God exists though.
Haven't you had enough sinning?................Your post here is a pretty accurate statement describing the stupidest thing a man, woman, or child can say. God loves you and you can be saved from Hell and have eternal life in heaven now, even while you wait here on earth before it is fully revealed to you. You can know that your sins are forgiven and you are saved from Hell. The only reason you will end up in Hell, if you do, is that you refused to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who died for you to save you from Hell. If you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus Christ, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
When in another's lair, show them respect or else do not go there.
If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.
Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
Do not harm little children.
Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
The Nine Satanic Sins:
Stupidity
Pretentiousness
Solipsism
Self-deceit
Herd Conformity
Lack of Perspective
Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies
Counterproductive Pride
Lack of Aesthetics
I'm not saying I'm a follower, but these tenants don't seem so bad.
These things are designed to make you believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell. Believing you can be good enough to have that right is one way the devil tricks people into dying in their sins with no excuse so they fall into the devils condemnation of Hell's fire.
All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
He became sin for us when He died in our place, He took our sins on Himself so we can be forgiven by Him, our sins covered by His blood, so God can overlook our evils based on the fact that He paid for them Himself and conquered death for us so we can have eternal life by believing on Him and receiving Him as God's gift, our Savior, our justification for life. He is the justifier of all who believe on Him. Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
