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Debate Score:88
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Who's right, Xaeon or JoeCavalry?

Don't even think about picking Joe!
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5 points

As far as the debate goes I believe you shouldn't limit anything someone can say, no matter who's feelings it hurts..get over it...but by looking at the profiles and comparing...Xaeon is right...sorry Joe

4 points

I'd also say that Xaeon is right, although the discussion (if you will) is quite entertaining to read. =]

Side: Xaeon

Well go back and read some more. ;)

Side: Xaeon

No hard feelings. Thanks for responding.

BTW, whoever is reading this, could you please tag your response using the name of the person you think is right? That way we'll have a count on top. Thanks.

Bushhaterr, since I doubt that you can edit your response now, I have tagged this response as "Xaeon" so that your vote counts.

Side: Xaeon
2 points

Xaeon had it, much more level headed, less predjudice in his arguments (which he backed up with links - which you don't appear to have read properly) and far less personal attacks. Also your original post, which kicked it all off, was flippant and silly. Most of your responses revolve around terrorists being the real baddies in all this and not, which was what kicked of the thread, your irreverent comment.

And I think you gave the game away when you said My comments are a lot less harmful than blowing some one up which suggests you knew they were harmful and you were arguing just because you "got called on it". The fact that Xaeon called you on it does not mean that he sides, or is an apologist for terrorism.

FAIL.

Side: Xaeon
2 points

I have to say Xaeon, this is my post now that I know what the debate is on.

Sorry Joe but I think you were taking Xaeon out of context. All he was saying was what you said would be offensive to the other Muslims that traditionally wear the turban. He isn't supporting terrorists he is supporting the Muslims that are not terrorists that do not need to be classified due to their turbans!

That was the most writing I have ever seen you put down on a debate Joe ... EVER!

Side: Xaeon

My original words were, "I have been informed that the Islamic terrorists....." I made sure to qualify who I was talking about. I made it perfectly clear as to who the target was. Now, if the Islamic community finds my joke more offensive than terrorists (who are wearing turbans thus giving the traditional head dress a bad name) then there's something seriously wrong with that community.

The joke works because it points to the truth of the situation. Namely that terrorists are giving turbans a bad name. And it points to the fact that people aren't saying, "Hey, you are doing these horrible acts which we disagree with and associating it with some that is dear and special to us." And if you make one little joke about it, then they are up in arms. Instead we are supposed to look the other way and not point out the elephant in the room. Namely that it is more offensive for any individual to commit atrocities in the name of Allah than any joke about Allah. To single out jokes about Allah and tolerate individuals who commit atrocities in the name of Allah is sick.

Think about the riots because of some cartoon about Allah. Why aren't those same people rioting about terrorists giving them a bad name? Aren't their priorities twisted?

Side: JoeCavalry
1 point

Joe makes a good point. I was shocked to find out that people would spend so much time and energy protesting a cartoon and nothing protesting a clear human rights violation that taints their whole community.

Side: JoeCavalry

START HERE

Xaeon and I are having a discussion (a pissing match, actually) and we can't seem to decide who's right. So I figured I'd enter us into a popularity contest and let you guys decide. Click on the following link:

http://tinyurl.com/5qv3zv

and scroll about halfway down to where Xaeon writes, "Comments like that, and you wonder why Islamic nations hate you?" Then click on "Show Replies" and read our responses and then come back here and vote.

I guess I could have challenged him to a debate but I'm a masochist that seems to enjoy public humiliation ;)

Supporting Evidence: Xaeon or Joe? (tinyurl.com)
Side: JoeCavalry
1 point

So if I call all Nazi's skin heads am I against all peoples with shaved heads?!?! Is that what you are saying to Joe? And why the HELL are you defending terrorists? Ever heard of the famous phrase: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me?" All Joe is doing is saying words. Words don't hurt people that don't let it hurt them. He isn't being racist towards all Muslims and Indians and others that wear Turbans, he is labeling Muslim extremists. There is nothing wrong with that. They are extreme and in the wrong! Joe has done nothing wrong except exercise his right of speech! So grow up and stop letting little words piss you off! G-d Damn! You are like debating with a 2 year old. And Joe! You are instigating it as well! If this guy wants to act like a 2 year old let him! Don't antagonize him! The fact that you are saying that Joe's nickname to terrorists is offensive to all Turban-wearers is bubkiss! If they have a problem with it then that's their fault for being immature!

Dx although both of you are being immature, I think that Xaeon is in the wrong and JoeCavalry is right.

Side: JoeCavalry
3 points

For everyone that votes my arguments down:

If you are going to vote ANYONE'S arguments down, leave a good counterargument or don't vote them down! Don't be a puss and just vote them down because you don't like him/her or what they are for/against. If you vote anyone's arguments down for any reason leave a good counterargument or don't vote PERIOD! I don't know about the rest of the people on this site, but it pisses me off that people do that!

Side: JoeCavalry

Thank you for your support..... I guess ;)

Side: JoeCavalry
2 points

Any time. . . hahaha.

Side: JoeCavalry
xaeon(1095) Disputed
1 point

Wow. You evidently didn't actually understand what I was saying at all. How you can think that having the ability to understand that relationships between the US and Islamic nations are strained, and that off the cuff comments such as Joes fuel racial tension is in any way the act of a 2 year old is beyond me.

I see that you're 15, so maybe in a few years you'll understand.

Side: Xaeon
altarion(1955) Disputed
1 point

You really think that my age has much to do with my view on this silly argument you are having? Its hard for me to understand what you are saying because I believe that you misunderstood what I said. I said that your argument is retarded because the views of Joe are his alone and I'm sure that you have similar views towards some other group of people. I feel that way towards big businesses that do not take steps towards becoming more ecofriendly. Everyone has views like that, but saying that Joe's comments are offensive to ALL peoples that wear turbans is just silly! Like I said before, if all people that wear head coverings are offended by what Joe said then that is just stupid because he made sure that he directly pointed towards Muslim extremists!

So you saying that I don't understand because I'm only 15 is just you being an asshole! >.< Yes, I am young, but believe me when I say that I understand much more about your little argument than you could imagine seeing as how you think age makes such a big impression on how people look at arguments.

And how is you saying that being 15 means I don't understand this debate any different than Joe saying that Muslim Terrorists are little diaper heads?

Side: JoeCavalry

Xaeon, I think that the point you're trying to make is that two wrongs don't make a right and that it was wrong of me to call terrorists little sheet heads because it offended the rest of the Muslim community. If this is truly the point you're trying to make then find me a Muslim that's offended by my comment in the context in which it was written. It really shouldn't be that hard to find someone. I just find it hard to accept you as the spoke person for the Muslim community.

Side: JoeCavalry
-1 points

Hey Xaeon look:

http://www.bilderberg.org/usglobal.htm#first

There are Muslims taking a stand against terrorist, I applaud them.

Side: Xaeon
1 point

as a whole? Xaeon makes extremely valid points while with Joe it is hard to tell sometimes if he is just joking or if he is serious with the side he has posted on. I would have to say Xaeon when we are discussing serious topics or Joe when we are discussing what kind of form do you use with your toilet paper.

Xaeon wins out for me just because ALL of his points are usually valid. Lo siento JC pero esta cierto =]

Side: Xaeon
2 points

Really? So the Muslim community has every right to be offended by anything non-Muslim say or do and non-Muslim have no rights to be offended by what terrorist do? Here, read this.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wichman.asp

Side: JoeCavalry
DaWolfman(3324) Disputed
12 points

I did not know what the prerequisite to this debate was, I thought it was meant as a whole JC so if it is regarding something previous then I don't have a say in the matter.

Side: Joe Cavalry to even it out
1 point

I agree with Joe. Muslims get all offended about things like cartoons and they get all rilled up but they don't seem to care that terrorist are giving them a bad name. Where is their outrage at fellow Muslims beheading journalists?

Side: JoeCavalry
-2 points