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Why Can't Evolution And Religion Coexist?
Okay, I believe in evolution because I'm not stupid (at least not that stupid) and I don't believe in any religion but I never understood why so many theists are so against evolution?Why can't God have created all the animals and shit and then the animals (and shit) evolve?
No, I know some do but many don't... I guess there really isn't much room for debate here, I just don't get why they're so afraid of evolution? The Bible doesn't dispute it does it? Whatever.
That is hurtful o.o they can't because ken ham is correct and you are wrong there is no scientific controvesy over creation it has overwhelming evidence for creation in 4004 BC
I honestly don't care if it does or not. If they don't have the intelligence level required to comprehend something then they just don't have it...it can't be helped. There's nothing that can logically disprove it so I consider it a possibility...and also consider that I may be wrong
Adam and Eve were around when the pyramids were built,actually Adam was a supervisor of the incest in his family,he sent his son over to the pyramids to be a slave,cause he wouldn't stop banging his own mum,their closest living relative is the incest royal family.
I believe the Catholic church now believes in evolution...which now makes me wonder why we even have Pope in modern times. Any theist can apply their deity to any scientific concept that doesn't outright discredit them. All you have to say you is, "God/Allah/Buddha/etc. made it happen."
Evolution does not say jack about the creation of life, except that it happened billions of years ago. As far as evolution is concerned, it doesn't much matter whether god did it or not. If he did, he used it to create the diversity of life. So it is only opposed to a literal interpretation of mythology. And let's face it, if you follow a literal interpretation of the Bible, you've got issues with many aspects of perceptible reality, not just evo.
Well I believe that evolution can't co-exist with Christianity because I believe in Creationism that God made us and that we weren't made by just DNA and that is man's idea of how we got here. So I would rather choose that a higher being created us and knows more about us then a mans idea which has errors and mistakes since we are human and aren't perfect.
Ok, so your only argument that they can't coexist is because you are an idiot.
Looks like someone needs to get their eyes checked at the eye doctor because I don't think I said anywhere about me being an idiot. Please go back and reread it again.
Man wrote the Bible. Plus, you are saying you trust your judgement then say your judgement is flawed.
So I would rather choose that a higher being created us and knows more about us then a mans idea which has errors and mistakes since we are human and aren't perfect.
Man wrote the Bible. Plus, you are saying you trust your judgement then say your judgement is flawed.
Man didn't write the Bible. God breathed his Word into man to write the specific thing done. So it was really God working through the men to write down the specific thing. And when God told them what to write about then it is perfect.
Man didn't write the Bible. God breathed his Word into man to write the specific thing done. So it was really God working through the men to write down the specific thing. And when God told them what to write about then it is perfect.
Man physically wrote it down. What man does is flawed. You are following the flawed version of God's word.
Man physically wrote it down. What man does is flawed. You are following the flawed version of God's word.
Yes but it wasn't their own work because if it was their own work it would have had tons of errors and contradiction in it which it doesn't. It was God's work and they didn't make it up because God was helping them.
Yes but it wasn't their own work because if it was their own work it would have had tons of errors and contradiction in it which it doesn't.
You don't think there are contradictions because you guys have special rules for determining what a contradiction is. Plus, that statement is false. It does have errors. There are passages in the Bible that don't agree with other passages. You guys say those errors are ok because it is ok for someone to interpret events differently.
It was God's work and they didn't make it up because God was helping them.
This is a nice distraction. If you use different words your statements have different meanings. Without talking about whether or not they made it up (because they did and you are in denial) let's talk about what you are saying. You are simply saying that humans aren't responsible for the content, but you can't deny that they didn't screw it up. So, you are not actually reading God's words. You are reading as close as humans can get, and you believe that what humans do is flawed, so your Bible is still worthless.
You don't think there are contradictions because you guys have special rules for determining what a contradiction is. Plus, that statement is false. It does have errors. There are passages in the Bible that don't agree with other passages. You guys say those errors are ok because it is ok for someone to interpret events differently.
Actually those "contradictions" you speak of from different passages you have to look at the context of them which a lot of people like you and others don't do. I normally look at the context of the verse and some aren't contradictory at all but rather complementary because it only reaffirms the verse not contradict it.
This is a nice distraction. If you use different words your statements have different meanings. Without talking about whether or not they made it up (because they did and you are in denial) let's talk about what you are saying. You are simply saying that humans aren't responsible for the content, but you can't deny that they didn't screw it up. So, you are not actually reading God's words. You are reading as close as humans can get, and you believe that what humans do is flawed, so your Bible is still worthless.
Its not really a distraction at all. They didn't make it up because it was all original. No one else came down to earth and was born from a virgin and lived a perfect human life and didn't sin and died on the cross for all mankind. No one else has done that in the history of mankind. Jesus Christ was the only one that did that. No one else did that.
Actually those "contradictions" you speak of from different passages you have to look at the context of them which a lot of people like you and others don't do. I normally look at the context of the verse and some aren't contradictory at all but rather complementary because it only reaffirms the verse not contradict it.
You are funny. You say there are no errors, then I say you have fake explanations for there being no errors, then you come back with your fake explanations, it's awesome.
Its not really a distraction at all. They didn't make it up because it was all original.
It is a distraction because you are now talking about who made it up which is not the topic we are discussing.
No one came down to earth and was born from a virgin and lived a perfect human life and didn't sin and died on the cross for all mankind. There, FTFY.
No one else has done that in the history of mankind. Jesus Christ was the only one that did that. No one else did that.
Man wrote the Bible. Plus, you are saying you trust your judgement then say your judgement is flawed.
So I would rather choose that a higher being created us and knows more about us then a mans idea which has errors and mistakes since we are human and aren't perfect.
Man wrote the Bible. Plus, you are saying you trust your judgement then say your judgement is flawed.
Indeed, mam wrote the bible, however, one must ome to realize just what the bible is actually proposing to us. What part of the bible makes no sense to you? I am assuming to creation of all things tid bit?
You contradict yourself.
Are you saying that he contradicted himself because he believes in a book written by man yet believes in it? Then I cannot disagree with that sentiment. You are correct in that matter.
Indeed, mam wrote the bible, however, one must ome to realize just what the bible is actually proposing to us. What part of the bible makes no sense to you? I am assuming to creation of all things tid bit?
Srom said that he doesn't trust man because of our flaws, but admits that he believes in a Bible physically written by man.
To answer your question, God allows for massive amounts of pain and destruction, but is supposed to be all wonderful. He created all good things, but humans are responsible for all bad things. God says to do one thing, but He does another. There is more, but I thought I could list a couple for you.
Are you saying that he contradicted himself because he believes in a book written by man yet believes in it? Then I cannot disagree with that sentiment. You are correct in that matter.
No, he is saying that everything man does is flawed, but he trusts that man got God's words right. How is that not a contradiction?
To answer your question, God allows for massive amounts of pain and destruction, but is supposed to be all wonderful. He created all good things, but humans are responsible for all bad things. God says to do one thing, but He does another. There is more, but I thought I could list a couple for you.
I do not see how this is relevant to the creation story besides the works of God being deemed as "good".
God allows pain? Yet the brain creates a sense of pain itself to alert the body of outside changes. Destruction is a new opening for creation. The Earth was created in a destructive manner according to science and now it beholds us creatures of all kind. That is something natural and shall occur as long as the Earth shall exist. The correct root of all bad things originates with the fall of Lucifer. However man still must accept responsibility for their own actions for their own decisions shall dictate the bearer of that responsibility.
No, he is saying that everything man does is flawed, but he trusts that man got God's words right. How is that not a contradiction?
Man is not perfect. That is correct. The bible is not perfect. That is true. Errors are not the prime focus, but the stories and life lessons and advice given from the bible are what one should meditate on. It is written by men so that we as humans with much smaller minds can comprehend what God did and shall do. On that semtiment I want you to tell me why you feel as if destruction is a bad thing when God commits it.
I do not see how this is relevant to the creation story besides the works of God being deemed as "good".
Me either, that's why Srom is the idiot for not mentioning anything to do with creation.
If the creation story is true, why is there so much evidence for evolution? Also, the creation story is very much centered around the creatures that were responsible for writing down the creation story, weird.
God allows pain? Yet the brain creates a sense of pain itself to alert the body of outside changes. Destruction is a new opening for creation. The Earth was created in a destructive manner according to science and now it beholds us creatures of all kind. That is something natural and shall occur as long as the Earth shall exist. The correct root of all bad things originates with the fall of Lucifer. However man still must accept responsibility for their own actions for their own decisions shall dictate the bearer of that responsibility.
God made Lucifer for what then? God has no control of human actions, and is all powerful?
Man is not perfect. That is correct. The bible is not perfect. That is true. Errors are not the prime focus, but the stories and life lessons and advice given from the bible are what one should meditate on. It is written by men so that we as humans with much smaller minds can comprehend what God did and shall do. On that semtiment I want you to tell me why you feel as if destruction is a bad thing when God commits it.
Except for Srom where the prime focus is facts, not the moral life lessons. I think destruction is bad in general. When God does it He is violating His own morals usually.
Me either, that's why Srom is the idiot for not mentioning anything to do with creation.
Debate Question: Why Can't Evolution And Religion Coexist?
He in fact answered the question at hand. Your diction is a tad hard to decipher.
If the creation story is true, why is there so much evidence for evolution?
What do you mean? Does the bible specifically describe the process of the origination of life? Not at all. It simple remains vague for our own attributions.
Also, the creation story is very much centered around the creatures that were responsible for writing down the creation story, weird.
That is not weird to any degree. Human are the only species capable of writing it. The fact that you deem such a concept as weird brings into question your thought processes. Individual interpretations of God is what the content of the bible is formed with. These are human being writing what they saw and heard and encountered and one must remember that English is not the original language that the bible utilized. One must study the Hebrew texts as well along with the Greek.
God made Lucifer for what then? God has no control of human actions, and is all powerful?
God made Lucifer as a leader in heaven, and in all practicality, second in command. He was made with beauty that can only be surmounted with perfection. He was a leader in worship for God.
Except for Srom where the prime focus is facts, not the moral life lessons.
If he is not focusing on the life lessons, and only focusing kn the facts (not that one shouldn't know biblical facts), then that is his own mistake.
I think destruction is bad in general. When God does it He is violating His own morals usually.
I see. Well allow me to eludicate the pinnacle of his destruction. First off if a being must be all loving then that same being must give just punishment to its creation or else the creation will repeat its mistakes. Second if the creation decides to continuously perform the same mistakes then that being must exalt just punishment that will leave a message with them. Destruction is only deemed as bad due to humans being at the other end of the destruction, but if one was to see this from a deity's sense of just punishment then it paves out. I would like you to state you side of the argument as well. You seem to have plenty of knowledge of the wrongdoings of God. Do not hold back anything.
Debate Question: Why Can't Evolution And Religion Coexist?
He in fact answered the question at hand. Your diction is a tad hard to decipher.
No, he didn't address it the way you wanted me to. You asked me what my objection had to do with the creation story. I ask you, what does saying that believing the Bible is great and humans are flawed have anything to do with the creation story?
What do you mean? Does the bible specifically describe the process of the origination of life? Not at all. It simple remains vague for our own attributions.
Why are there fossils of humans evolving into current humans. Were Adam and Eve a different species than us?
That is not weird to any degree. Human are the only species capable of writing it. The fact that you deem such a concept as weird brings into question your thought processes. Individual interpretations of God is what the content of the bible is formed with. These are human being writing what they saw and heard and encountered and one must remember that English is not the original language that the bible utilized. One must study the Hebrew texts as well along with the Greek.
The Bible says that everything God did was for the benefit of humans. God only cares about humans?
God made Lucifer as a leader in heaven, and in all practicality, second in command. He was made with beauty that can only be surmounted with perfection. He was a leader in worship for God.
How can you say Lucifer was created with perfection if he disobeyed?
If he is not focusing on the life lessons, and only focusing kn the facts (not that one shouldn't know biblical facts), then that is his own mistake.
Well, that's why I called him an idiot.
I see. Well allow me to eludicate the pinnacle of his destruction. First off if a being must be all loving then that same being must give just punishment to its creation or else the creation will repeat its mistakes. Second if the creation decides to continuously perform the same mistakes then that being must exalt just punishment that will leave a message with them. Destruction is only deemed as bad due to humans being at the other end of the destruction, but if one was to see this from a deity's sense of just punishment then it paves out. I would like you to state you side of the argument as well. You seem to have plenty of knowledge of the wrongdoings of God. Do not hold back anything.
No, He could have done a better job creating us. God created something that can't follow rules no matter how hard He punishes them. He did a bad job.
No, he didn't address it the way you wanted me to. You asked me what my objection had to do with the creation story. I ask you, what does saying that believing the Bible is great and humans are flawed have anything to do with the creation story?
Oh I understand your sentiment. I misunderstood your claim and his as well. You are correct. Forgive me for such foolishness.
Why are there fossils of humans evolving into current humans. Were Adam and Eve a different species than us?
Look at my diction. I pointed out that the bible never specifies how Adam was created. The creation of Eve is quite idiotic in my opinion, however, I do believe that Adam was brought up through a lineage of previous forms of human beings or Homo sapiens.
The Bible says that everything God did was for the benefit of humans. God only cares about humans?
Does a dog understand the concept of God and his works? God created the animals for humans to thrive and live by. I do not see why you needed to post this as it pertains to nothing on the topic we are currently discussing.
How can you say Lucifer was created with perfection if he disobeyed?
You must lack the ability to understand word choice. I clearly stated that Lucifer's beauty was perfect. Never did I make the assertion that Lucifer himself was "perfect". It would be utterly foolish for me to say so.
Well, that's why I called him an idiot.
Yes, I understand why you say so and I cannot disagree with it.
No, He could have done a better job creating us. God created something that can't follow rules no matter how hard He punishes them. He did a bad job.
Such a senseless this to claim. If one has the ability to decide what they wish to do, and if one decides to do bad, then that is their own fault. There is no better way to create free will. Other wise it is not free will. His punishments speak to many people and some change the error of their ways, but some are to indulgent to change their ways.
Oh I understand your sentiment. I misunderstood your claim and his as well. You are correct. Forgive me for such foolishness.
Forgiven. I was responding to Srom and thought you disagreed with that.
Look at my diction. I pointed out that the bible never specifies how Adam was created. The creation of Eve is quite idiotic in my opinion, however, I do believe that Adam was brought up through a lineage of previous forms of human beings or Homo sapiens.
Cool concept.
Does a dog understand the concept of God and his works? God created the animals for humans to thrive and live by. I do not see why you needed to post this as it pertains to nothing on the topic we are currently discussing.
So, because God gave us understanding of Him, nothing was done to benefit other animals and everything was made for the benefit of humans? That is too egocentric for me to believe. Plus, He put so much detail into areas that He never really intended for humans to get to that it would be incredibly unrealistic to believe it was made all for us.
You must lack the ability to understand word choice. I clearly stated that Lucifer's beauty was perfect. Never did I make the assertion that Lucifer himself was "perfect". It would be utterly foolish for me to say so.
Yeah, you said made with perfect beauty, not of perfect beauty. Still shows God couldn't control Lucifer, which shows a lack of power. So I don't like that idea.
Such a senseless this to claim. If one has the ability to decide what they wish to do, and if one decides to do bad, then that is their own fault.
True.
There is no better way to create free will. Other wise it is not free will.
Right.
His punishments speak to many people and some change the error of their ways, but some are to indulgent to change their ways.
Nope, His punishments are unjust, and violate free will. It is only free will if you don't get punished for it.
So, because God gave us understanding of Him, nothing was done to benefit other animals and everything was made for the benefit of humans? That is too egocentric for me to believe. Plus, He put so much detail into areas that He never really intended for humans to get to that it would be incredibly unrealistic to believe it was made all for us.
Explain this to me further. I am not understanding your sentiment.
Yeah, you said made with perfect beauty, not of perfect beauty. Still shows God couldn't control Lucifer, which shows a lack of power. So I don't like that idea.
God does not break anything relative to his intrinsic accord. He is all-powerful, but does not break anything within the intrinsic law and nature he composed of. Therefore by understanding the implication of the qualities of God we know why a God woud not give absolute dominance over Lucifer.
Nope, His punishments are unjust, and violate free will. It is only free will if you don't get punished for it.
You must be nearing the limitations of your own knowledge. Explain what injustice God has commited without bringing your personal opinion into your explaination.
Free will is the ability to make one's own decision without constrained factors. God giving punishment does not logically impede upon free will. Go back and examine your sentiment. I am not seeing you take the time to process what I am giving you.
It is a strange concept to think that God did everything specifically for us. But, when He made everything for us He created a massive amount of stuff in places that we would never be able to benefit from. Like, there are tons of sea creatures that we can't see because they are in water so deep humans can't get there. Why did God create that stuff when we can't benefit from it?
God does not break anything relative to his intrinsic accord. He is all-powerful, but does not break anything within the intrinsic law and nature he composed of. Therefore by understanding the implication of the qualities of God we know why a God woud not give absolute dominance over Lucifer.
Well that sucks because that has caused all of the problems in the world.
You must be nearing the limitations of your own knowledge. Explain what injustice God has commited without bringing your personal opinion into your explaination.
Infinite punishment for finite crime is unjust.
Free will is the ability to make one's own decision without constrained factors. God giving punishment does not logically impede upon free will. Go back and examine your sentiment. I am not seeing you take the time to process what I am giving you.
Oh, so thinking you will go to hell does not constrain your actions? We are not entirely free, so we don't have real free will.
It is a strange concept to think that God did everything specifically for us. But, when He made everything for us He created a massive amount of stuff in places that we would never be able to benefit from. Like, there are tons of sea creatures that we can't see because they are in water so deep humans can't get there. Why did God create that stuff when we can't benefit from it?
Thank you for your clarification. Evolution may have been the cause of the placement of these creatures. I do not see how this is absolutely relative to this debate, but I can only assume that evolution is the cause for it.
Well that sucks because that has caused all of the problems in the world
The fall of Lucifer and the disobedience of man is what we are witnessing.
Infinite punishment for finite crime is unjust.
How do you know? You cannot even fathom eternity. Are you living a sinful lifestyle? That is giving into Satan. Satan drags us to hell. Satan temps man into deception and drags his prey into hell.
Oh, so thinking you will go to hell does not constrain your actions? We are not entirely free, so we don't have real free will.
You still choose what you wish to do with your life. An influence does not impede free will. You still have the ability to choose what you want to do.
Oh c'mon! What about our vestigial organs? What is there purpose for? Did God make us perfectly, in his image no less, with nipples that we can't even nurse out of? (men that is) Did he also start making tails for us, but the decided somewhere through that we shouldn't have them?
If GOD was perfect then why would he make such an imperfect world? Even if we were perfect and fell into temptation, Why didn't he just make us immune to temptation or something like that?
