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Why Do Evolution Advocates Fight When They Have No Valid Beginning?
Your science should have an answer. A tangible duplicatable answer. Its science.
Dont start with a living thing. Thats starting after the fact.
In the beginning, how was it formed without destroying itself. And how did it progress and how did nature balance while the process continued and how did the first animals present themselves.
So far all I have is a story of living things after living things existed. No one explained anything other than we have a dna for eyes so some creatures got eyes.
And that doesnt answer my question!
I think you cant answer. And, You dont actually know.
There is only evidence of biological simillarites. Not sound science in the beginning of the first formed living thing. Nor in the balance required beyond that, with entropy working against it from the creation of the first cell, and naturally beyond that!
Creatures with eyes have eye genes. But its a big jump to then say life formed and stabilized out of nonliving matter.
Its a religion of idiots.
Its the greatest insult to the Creator. The actual creator.
Man being a god created himself out of a process from nothing.
Man breathed life into himself out of evolving from a combination of dead matter.
Not even another god, a nothing god ... the earth was void, unformed, darkness over the deep. Into nothing He brought forth life, into chaos He established the balance for life to continue.
And evolution is the god nothing. The self god, nature and man created self by selection of the best. The self made man, evolved from nothing.
At this moment of time most people feel envious of those who can believe in the backward scriptures written in an era of ignorance by a collection of well meaning authors trying to explain the mysteries of the Cosmos with no scientific understanding.
Such fortunate sheepeople can live in a fool's paradise without having to wonder from where the universe and everything there originated.
No frustrating quest for answers to a deep and complex enigma, just a blind and totally irrational faith. Man man, oh man.
The long journey of the advancement of mankind and the expansion of the frontiers of knowledge as well as our awareness of the Universe, of which we are a minuscule part, would never have even started if no one had challenged the superstitious nonsense which forms the basis of all religions.
I agree, science has not produced a rational explanation for the ''beginning of life'', as the concept of the ''big bang'' is, in my opinion almost as fanciful a notion as the various man made religions.
However, science, and not hocus pocus religion will someday come up with the answer.
Let's hope there will a sufficient number of people able to recognise and understand the scientific proof and have the maturity to discard the of the mumbo jumbo which was spawned from the ignorance of the bronze age.
The long journey of the advancement of mankind and the expansion of the frontiers of knowledge as well as our awareness of the Universe, of which we are a minuscule part, would never have even started if no one had challenged the superstitious nonsense which forms the basis of all religions.
I agree, science has not produced a rational explanation for the ''beginning of life'', as the concept of the ''big bang'' is, in my opinion almost as fanciful a notion as the various man made religions.
However, science, and not hocus pocus religion will someday come up with the answer.
Let's hope there will a sufficient number of people able to recognise and understand the scientific proof and have the maturity to discard the of the mumbo jumbo which was spawned from the ignorance of the bronze age
So then my question is, SINCE admittedly no answer exists in science, then by what reasoning and by what facts do you dismiss the possibility of a Creator?
And by what reasoning and by what facts do you declare religion and faith as irrational? And without merit to explore and weigh as evidence of a Creator. Science has no answer! Yet all its minions think, it is actually confirmed as fact! How dare educators lie to children and treat speculation as facts!!!
It seems it is irrational to close of possibilities of answers and proof of their sourses without really being objective.
So therefore evolution admittingly doesnt know so it assumes. So then how is it scientific to dismiss weighing evidence of a Creator and dismiss proving validations of His Word.
So evoluyion creationists expect faith in an unknown process, while refusing evidence of a Creator.
The Bible is an authority yhat has as much if not even more confirmable evidence of validity as biology. Biology days this part is in this animal and also in another, and in a controlled experiment this minifact is confirmed, an eye can develope on a wing of a fly. So therefore evolution explaims creation.
Yet we have proof the Bible is of supernatural origin, with facts unknown to the writers according to their limitations in advancements, yet it is not allowed to show evidence.
If we are debating origin then shouldnt we validate what is possible. And since lifed origin is unknown than why isnt a Creator possible? And since scripture 8s historical and closer to the date of origin to the first signs of mankind like us is about 6000 years ago, then shouldnt we add it to experiment also?
You must have read my assertion that the answer to how life began will come from the continuing scientific research on the subject.
This is my belief.
To ask anyone to believe the preposterous nonsense about Adam and Eve or Noah who built a ship large enough to accommodate every creature on earth along with all the variations of food and supplies necessary to sustain such a cargo of diverse animals is the epitome of disrespect for the intelligence of your fellow human beings.
When I was about 10 years old and during my brainwashing as a child I began to reason that the teachings of the Bible were nothing more than the ravings of frustrated and agitated academics with over vivid imaginations.
I'm equally certain if the knowledge of modern day science were presented to the numerous academics of their day who composed the Bible they would own up to their previous ignorance and enthusiastically embrace the new knowledge.
If by scientific genius time travel were possible and Jesus could be brought into the present he would die a second time from amazement at the millions of people who accepted his self contradictory statements.
If, in the absence of an acceptable scientific explanation for the beginning of life, I was to concede that there may be the possibility of ''A CREATOR'' it certainly wouldn't be any of the embarrassing drivel being spewed out by the proponents of today's popular religions, including Christianity and Islam.
You keep asking questions, well it's my turn now.
Who do you religious freaks think you are asking normal people to believe the biggest load of pig shit ever published in hardback?
If there was ''A CREATOR'' from where did he come?
Did ''THE CREATOR'' create him/herself?
In what dimension did this entity live and where and how did their ream exist before it was created?
If you believe in your God, then why did he/she endow the human race with a sufficiently large brain and inquisitive mind to question the teachings of the most incredible collection of fiction ever put on sale?
I firmly believe that most of you weirdos don't really believe the verbal diarrhea which you spout, but only engage in the activity as an ego building exercise to see how many weak minded fools you can convince that there is a big, silent shy man zooming around the cosmos with love in his heart for all of us.
You obviously havent weighed its evidence, or you are illogical and unreasoning. Or you have chosen to not weigh the evidence at all let alone objectively, and you turn a blind eye to facts if they do not match your world view.
There is proof. Its called beyond a reasonable doubt. We try thousands of cases per day based on innocent or guilty by measure beyond a " reasonable doubt"
I have evidence piled high that makes it proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If the Bible were on trial it would be guilty of being true beyond a reasonable doubt!
There is proof. Its called beyond a reasonable doubt. We try thousands of cases per day based on innocent or guilty by measure beyond a " reasonable doubt"
I have evidence piled high that makes it proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If the Bible were on trial it would be guilty of being true beyond a reasonable doubt!
There are numerous calculations and measurements in the Bible from specific measurements in building designs instructed by God and in dates and times found the Bible.Well
I dont know why God put it there. Id imagine the book is so full of knowledge and wisdom and understanding that on one side its a confirmation that there is an outside influence and showing something that specific.
Even complete to the 4th decimal place in equations beyond the writers knowledge and ability. So it was a purposeful design to authenticate it. Or sign it as authored by more than the men that physically penned it.
Also God confounds the wise and mocks fools. So when the book is opened the foolishness of academia that denied God and caused multitudes to stumble and not seek God. When it is unrolled it will both mock and judge them.
The blood of those they cause to stumble will be on their hands.As far as the math itself, Im not a mathematician, so I can only think of known application as a lay person. Pi is measurements of a circle, inside out, and across etc... pi appears in all sorts of calculations for physics, engineering, electrical systems.
The double-helix is DNA revolves around pi. Pi is in the rainbow, the pupil of the eye, and when a raindrop falls into water pi emerges in the spreading rings. It appears in colors and in music. It is also used in probability and statistics. So I think the placement is not a calculation as in a word problem.
But all incompassing of God's creation, intervention, judgement, and salvation. He brings creation full circle from creation to fall to our redemption. Fullness of His dwelling. Complete measurement. God uses math and measurements within the scriptures also. Like measurements of the Noahs Ark and the Ark of the Covenant. And all kinds of measurements.
So measurements and math are not foriegn to the actual reading of the written text.
So hidden in verse 1 of chapter 1 in Genesis and In John 1: 1 is profound and absolute design written by more than the pen of men!!
Gen 6 - Ark Measurements14 Make for yourself an ark of gopher wood; you shall make the ark with rooms, and shall cover it inside and out with pitch. 15 This is how you shall make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 You shall make a window for the ark, and finish it to a cubit from the top; and set the door of the ark in the side of it; you shall make it with lower, second, and third decks. 17 Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.
Romans 8 38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.And "e" found in John 1: 1
Would be measurements of exponential growth. Which is what happened bt the Jews initially rejecting the Messiah. Causing it to go out to the Gentiles.
But also prophesied to come full circle, and lift the veil. To make a round trip so to speak, to reveal to the Jews also so in the end they also see the Messiah as who He is, Jesus. Completing His creation full circle! And His salvation saves exponentially.
I think this is astounding. The math of pi and e not only sdvanced math, but placed mathmatically indicating the sum of the time perion. From full circle beginning to end and everything in between to exponential growth to the fullness of what was preknown and prewritten from beginning to end.
Wow! What is wrong with logic and common sense. It must be difficult to live with no common sense, its certainly draining civilized society of a quality that will be missed when you all wake up and realize how dark it can get!
Your questions:
Who do you religious freaks think you are asking normal people to believe the biggest load of pig shit ever published in hardback?
The Bible is confirmed as God's Word by its stacks and stacks of evidence. You all will have to answer to the Bible, and to the God who wrote it.
Also, pig shit and pig food is what the Prodigal Son had reaped for his wayward disobedience, his disrespect of his Father, and the devaluing of his inheritance.
But in the end he had enough sense to realize what he had reaped was cheap, he was used, and in bondage like as if in slavery, living life in the deplorable conditions of the world.
He learned he was a fool to seek anything good outside his Father's love, and the abundance known in his Fathers Kingdom.
If there was ''A CREATOR'' from where did he come?
You likely have at some point, or do believe now in an infinite universe. Then I assume you may understand infinity.
So the universe has a beginning and an end. Full circle like pi found in Genesis 1: 1.
And He is infinate as told in John 1: 1. As e is found in that verse. These were on purpose and their placement and location are crazy proof! Crazy, because you have to be crazy to dismiss it!
Did ''THE CREATOR'' create him/herself?
Is infinite created?
How can you accept a theory the universe is infinite, then question the ability for infinite to exist?
Are you a science hypocrit?
In what dimension did this entity live and where and how did their ream exist before it was created?
Since we couldn't possibly search the depths of God, we don't expect an answer to everything. But maybe you can ask Him and He will show you, and then you can tell me.
Most do not understood the ways God reaveals Himself.
The best way I can explain it. The children of Israel had to follow God closely in the desert. They hsd to be alert and ready to immediately follow the cloud by day and the fire by night.
When the spirit moved, they needed to follow immediately.
God reveals things at His appointed times, as well as fulfills things at their appointed times. Prophesy is prewritten history, its not like fortune telling. Its not always pre-revealed, and prophesy is prewritten history, written in to direct our world to complete His final will.
Him revealing, and not revealing, is as purposeful as His fulfillments.
So sometimes we can see clearly ahead, other times we can see clearer, other times we can be blinded till the time appoined to be revealed. It is a book of strategy also.
Aside from that, realize the Spirit of God is leading natural fallen man. The eyes of understanding have memory, but faith is closely lead because the mind of natural man can be easily decieved. And can easily forget what is not in front of their eyes. Being Spirit lead is being alert and ready to follow as God reveals and leads.So maybe Be will reveal it, or maybe we wont know till we join Him.
I think He fills all the space of Heaven with His light with a creation of a host of angels in His Kingdom.
From some scriptures, I think the darkness may be space as we know it, and it was a from a universe of light is what they fell out of into darkness.
So Lucifer and his angels became without form, and void, and darkness was over the deep. "The deep" may refer to the bottomless pit or known in modern day a black hole.
The angels were like stars, and when Lucifer fell he took 1/3 with him. I think this is the matter God used to make earth. Full circle. Lucifer was in charge of the angels that also fell with him. The angels were also created beings. So when they fell
When stars implode they fall out of a universe into black holes. So I think our space is the place in between God's Kingdom, Heaven of light. And the darkness is our space over the deep, a black hole.
And the water is the surface that is like glass like pure gold. Which is like reflective, for every good there is the opposite at work. So the world of fallen natural man, living in a fallen state is the antithesis of Gods kingdom.
So Jesus came to literally restore us out of the fallen world. God created man, to rule the world, and the world ruled man after the fall.
The flesh nature is everything God is not. But reflective, and called the surface of the waters. So everything of God's nature and of His Kingdom is the image opposite of Him, thats why when Jesus taught us to pray we should pray to manifest His will here in the darkness. We pray His will to be done as it is in Heaven.
If you believe in your God, then why did he/she endow the human race with a sufficiently large brain and inquisitive mind to question the teachings of the most incredible collection of fiction ever put on sale?
Because God wants children who love wisdom and understanding. So a thinking mind is a consciousness given exclusively to man. God actually judges mankind for blindly following others. He shows that we should drink water while alert, bringing the water to our own lips by our own hand. As shown in there were 300 chosen for battle in Gideons army, they were chosen out of the 10,000 by how they drank at the river. Anyone who cupped the water and brought it to their own mouth were chosen.
300 men out of 10,000, which was already reduced from 22,000. So the reality is you are one of many followers easily lead by popular deceptions, without thinking for themselves. And the Christian is thinking for themselves. And not blindly following others, they are alert, and not easily deceived.
I firmly believe that most of you weirdos don't really believe the verbal diarrhea which you spout, but only engage in the activity as an ego building exercise to see how many weak minded fools you can convince that there is a big, silent shy man zooming around the cosmos with love in his heart for all of us.
Man, man oh man.
It's just mouthy nonsense in your conclusive statement. God is not silent or shy. But if you are not ready for Him, He will come and like Adam hid in from God because he was naked, uncovered, then you will shrink back when He appears.
Those who have garments made by God to cover their nakedness are those who have been washed in His blood, sacraficed in the place of all those that believe.
In Bible Codes, some are far out and take it far out. But some are a signature of Divine Authorship. And these ones are definitely signatures as if He etched His Word with His own hand.
Pi found in Genesis 1: 1 and adv math e found in John 1: 1.
These aren't spread out, found in difficulty, and in need of twisting. These two adv math codes are found, each found using within one verse. And each one found separately in chapter one of two seperate books, written in two separate millennials, in written in two separate languages. And the nature of interpretation works with what is there from the ancient text.
And the odds of them occurring at any point at all within all 66 books of the Bible is in probabilities of unreasonable proportions.
What do you think is the probability of a few of these together found coded in the Bible? If just musing at first glance, wouldn't you say, " no way?" I'm not even saying in the whole Bible. What is the probability all these are found in only six books out if 66?
As for me, I dont think a calculation is needed to tell me that is an unreasonable probability in calculations of a snowflakes chance in Hell!
Even crazier, pi and e are coded in two different languages, Hebrew for Jews and Greek was a time period of the Gospel's progression out to the Gentiles.
And both verses state "In the beginning," so they each speak of a time period of Creation and in Jesus as the Creator. And advanced math equations not known yet for 1000s of years to come.
In Genesis 1: 1 pi equation is encoded, in creation of the world and universe and in God stitching prophesy into appointed times to bring Creation full circle.
And in John 1: 1 in Greek while the Gospel is propelled out to the Gentiles, you find in verse one the equation for e, which is compound interest, multiplying exponentially.
So even the equations found communicate the purpose of the event. And even the Bible Author God, divided these times by purpose as shown in the 1st verses of these two books, Genesis and John. Then to add to this timetables for dating history is BC and AD.
So the Bible notes each beginning with a math equation. Then took the division of time line for dating history. And then add TORH TORH YHWY HROT HROT in the beginning of each of the five books of the Bible at intervals of Bible numbers of importance in the written text throughout every book of seven and forty-nine .
These singuarly are a stretch against reasonable probability, but for all to be right there on the top, not buried or crazy, together all these are proof of God and His Word. All of these together are impossible odds without Divine Authorship. Together these are more than just an oooh wow, these are against odds of probabilities that are not even be conceivable.
Now in contradiction beween the improbability of two faiths.
A comparison between Christianity and Evolution as ecplanation of Creation.
So on one hand, Evolutionism states strands of DNA self assembled and mutated and against all odds of occurance and against all odds of science principles and without any evidence of a physical example in front of our eyes, we are told to believe it. And that it is factual.
Then you take just these few pieces of many in evidence, tangible and available to view in everyone's individual hands. With everyone having the ability to test it, and even count out the codes for themselves, and literally proving itself in person from the beginning and in person showing agsinst all odds He not only created, but He put it in writing against all odds to prove it!
You have to be evil or an idiot to at least not step back and say there is more to God and the Bible than I currently think. Maybe I should look further!
I'm not sure, and suspect that you too are uncertain, whether you're trying to convince me or yourself.
Your obsession with the man written scriptures of the Bible has become irrational and suggests that your psychosis is deepening.
I am being absolutely genuine when I say that you do seem like a decent person who believes in their religion, but you've developed an irrational compulsion to ram your own religious dogma down the throats of everyone else.
Try to understand that most people like me have looked at both sides of the religious ideologies and considered that the concept of a God is totally misguided.
By insisting that I, and the millions like me are wrong is simply saying we are too stupid to make a reasoned appraisal of the various religious myths, but the 'faithful' are so utterly superior.
Most atheists and/or agnostics like me are more than happy to let the faithful worship their Gods in peace and do not pass judgment on their devotion to their faith.
So, why not live and let live and stop trying to ramrod your thoughts onto other people?
Evidence that is presented in trials. The evidence is overwhelming. Someone outside of our physical reality wrote it. Before people decide if the Bible is valid or not, a fair trial of the evidence should precede your judgement pf it.
Especially since you put skepticism in writing as though you analized and concluded. Assumptions are a dime a dozen at best.
Many pieces that individually count as evidence, and collectively weigh as a evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
So take pi and e found as 1 plus 1, heavily weighted against odds of mere coincidence
Then take TORH written directionally showing reading both right to left and left to right with YHWY in the mid book.
And these are found in the beginning starting at verse 1 and are at 49 Hebrew letter intervals with YHWH found at 7 letter intervals. 7 is an important highlighted Bible number in every book of the Bible. Jesus says to forgive 70 times 7 which equals 490 !
And we see this 7 and squ root of 49.
And also 490 divisible by 10, Noah was 10th generation from Adam through Seth. Through the flood it was like Baptism, the earth was cleansed.
The prophesy about Noah - He would bring REST (7th day) to our souls. So God used it as a picture and the math shows its related on a string of 7.
Oh, And the day recorded in Genesis when Noah came out of the Ark just so happened to be the date of Jesus' Resurrection! According to the Hebrew calendar of all their Divinely given feasts!
Then fullfillment of precise prophesies throughout history. (over 2000)
And also for the Messiah (over 300)
Prophesies for nations, times, societies, individials, generations, and and peoples ... all pre-written, as displaying all days of mankind as purposely pre-designed, with appointed times that occur as scheduled in the Bible.
Most of which are literally time stamped!
The authentication shown in pre-discovered knowledge. Not just "it sound like" but also has definining of modern knowledge, that took science almost 6000 years to catch up to!
Isaiah Job and Psalms discuss the earth as round.
And Job discusses precipitation and a unique gravitational pull within 2 constellations out of all the known constelations. These are the only two that have a gravitational pull clustering them together by gravity.
Also the book of Enoch discusses Pleiades. Enoch discusses 7 stars stuck in a hole in space. Jesus then calls the 7 churches in Rev. 7 churches in His Right Hand.
Also the 7 churches in Rev identified are represented by 7 original churches, which coincidently are on the 7 mountains of Rome. Which curiously the hills resemble the pattern of the 7 brightest stars out of 10 stars, three are dim total of (10!)
So when God appointed time He connected every star and planet as a directive. Not like the worldly zodiac, but appointed times. Like the star shining over Jesus' birth.
Job 38
31 “Can you tie up the cords of the Pleiades
or loosen the belt of Orion?
32 Can you lead out the constellations of the zodiac in their season
or guide the Great Bear and its cubs?
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Also the zodiac as we know it show each constelation as 12 tribes of Israel and connects each star in the constellation in order from the brightest to the least bright. Each bringing forth prophetic fulfillmemts we see in the Bible.
And these all combined are just samplings and the tip of the iceberg. The evidence shows it is written from an outside source, not by men with ink and paper, but personally by the finger of God!
Have you considered the possibility that neither science nor religion have the right answer? If two idiots present you different tall tales and really neither is iron clad then why do you have to pick either one of them to be right? And in a clash of tall tales it doesn't really matter whether they want to fight or not, but they're still going to fight.
Actually evolution is not for people to be immoral. People were immoral. And evolution is just one of many deceptions. But it is defining this generation. Woe to the stumbling blocks that darkened an entire generation!
John 3
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Thanks for bringing up the important part of this debate- we are unsure of how life formed.
With that out of the way, it's important to use logic to infer which explanation is the most plausible. We have some explanations on the table, but we're still looking at which ones might be correct.
In religions and beliefs there are many ways to live life in the world.
But there is only one way to the Paradise of God. And that is only through the complete work of Jesus, through the cross. He IS the narrow way and His death and resurrection are the way back to God.
God made natural laws that we know as science. He made DNA, the speed of light, gravity, and balanced everything by intricate design, the anthropic principle. So it's not necessarily that science and religion disagree.
It can't be both, it's either creation by Divine Design, or it is creation by nothingness and man is self created by intelligent selection of dead matter manipulated by the nothingness god of evolution.
So the debate is foundational, by what or by whom was mankind and all of creation created.
And then a push to set the deceptive records straight whenever we can.
I really dislike steering. And it rules every area of our society, academia, media, special interest groups, and politicians are prime offenders. Militant atheists, even run many fields of study steer information, and apply professional pressures to filter Bible reliability and verifications of it's basic historic truth and accuracy.
What did they do instead of upholding professional integrity to accuracy? They tossed put accuracy and called God and His people liars. So it wasn't enough to dismiss its spiritual value. But we now have a whole generation that were told lies through science, and history, and many studies effected.
They closed an entire generation's ears to using their own judgement. They went as far beyond neutral to indoctrination as you can get! Steering and in reality they have borne false witness have publically declared false testimony by even saying that the Jews fabricated hhistory and lead people by spinning lies.
And when given opportunity to set the record straight they deny it all against academic reason. This generation wants to moan about how evil God must be for judging innocent mankind, but mankind has a pretty low bar and they fall below it, and just keep lowering the bar.
We are nearing the final times. Everything pre-foretold is set, the players are in place. The last end time battle written about 1000s of years ago is focused all around Israel. And if the Bible were not true Israel would not exist. God says in His Word He would cause her allies and her adversaries.
The final end is Gods will and purpose. He is gathering His own. He has also blessed the wicked as well as the good.
The sun rose on both, and a life lived is a gift.
It's similar to the philosophical question who would you save if faced with the choice. If a group of people, all have rejected God and eternal life are stuck on track one, and the train engineer's children are stuck on track 2, say, God is the train engineer, who does God choose to spare?
God sees His sheep on one track, and the lost that He knows will never become sheep on the other track, He lets the group that is lost and will never be saved, perish by the train.
He already spared us by letting the train hit His own Son.
So in the end does what He as always done s, separating Seth from Cain, Isaac from Ishmael, Jacob from Esau, sheep from goats, light from darkness, and the world (like Egypt) from His people.
He sacrificed once and for all on the cross, and already was a gift offered to all, and those who came to Him accepted the gift purchased life for life with His own Son's blood.
So if your on the wrong track in this example, He chooses to keeps the sheep safe to fulfill His purpose for their benefit to eternal life, and He sacrafices the others as pawn, because He already knows who has made their final choice for eternal death anyway. He knows their choices beforehand.
Honestly, you need to stop ignoring the fact that evolution does not explain the beginning of life. It explains how it evolved. And why does science need to have the answer to everything? Nothing has the answer to everything. Here's a question for you: Where did your god come from. Bet you can't answer. Lol ha ha ha ha ha
Why do religious people think that the after 10,000 times predicting that there is no explanation for something and having an explanation found that they can still claim that not having an answer means there is no answer?
A message from the heart to debaters who fight in favor of evolution. Adaptation is not evolution no matter how you define it. Adaptation takes a formed life form and adapts within its own fully formed makeup. It doesnt adapt by becoming a different creature.
Evolution defined as used to describe the establishment of life and nature as we sknow it is not adaptation. As a term used in the debate of Creator vs self creation of evolution.
So please stick to the definition. Adaptation is subtle. Evolution is creative in a foundational sense
Adaptation would be darkening of pigmentstion or lengthening a nose to adapt to changing atmosphere. But there is no drastic changes needed for evolution.
I dont argue and poke fun out of a dislike for you. I am hoping at some point you will question reasonably and logically some of the things you accepy as truth and isnt founded in science or logic or reasoning.
I am not being mean or cruel, I'm challenging you for a greater purpose, to question and weigh reasonably.
Like evolution starts aftwr life forms are already in process and builds on it, balancing nature in the process to foster the evolving life forms and to support its progressive action to its current presentation.
Yet when proof of the Bible has connections confirmed, in front of your face, it is denied.
Arent these connections similar. Yet at least with the Bible evidence is tangable and visible, and not just assumptive, as seen in the foundation of the biginning of life, the first life form that assembled itself to start with, then the balancing act needed to progress from the beginning.
Neither of these at the foundation are logical, no matter what biology connects similarities, and no matter what adaptations we see after the fact of a living thing at its completion.
By you. As used by you. You don't represent what evolution teaches.
So please stick to the definition.
You can't redefine what evolution teaches them complain that we still use what evolution actually teaches to represent evolution. Sorry, that's not how it works.
am not being mean or cruel, I'm challenging you for a greater purpose, to question and weigh reasonably.
No one thinks it is mean and cruel to hypocritically tell people to challenge their own beliefs when you don't challenge your own. That's just hypocrisy.
If you're going to say evolution, say it right. Adaptation is evolution, this has very much been established. You're referencing abiogenesis, which is what you call evolution. You're also referencing evolution, which you call adaptation.
In short, change evolution -> abiogenesis, then adaptation -> evolution and you're good.
A message from the heart to debaters who fight in favor of evolution. Adaptation is not evolution no matter how you define it. Adaptation takes a formed life form and adapts within its own fully formed makeup. It doesnt adapt by becoming a different creature.
Evolution defined as used to describe the establishment of life and nature as we sknow it is not adaptation. As a term used in the debate of Creator vs self creation of evolution.
So please stick to the definition. Adaptation is subtle. Evolution is creative in a foundational sense
Adaptation would be darkening of pigmentstion or lengthening a nose to adapt to changing atmosphere. But there is no drastic changes needed for evolution.
I dont argue and poke fun out of a dislike for you. I am hoping at some point you will question reasonably and logically some of the things you accepy as truth and isnt founded in science or logic or reasoning.
I am not being mean or cruel, I'm challenging you for a greater purpose, to question and weigh reasonably.
Like evolution starts aftwr life forms are already in process and builds on it, balancing nature in the process to foster the evolving life forms and to support its progressive action to its current presentation.
Yet when proof of the Bible has connections confirmed, in front of your face, it is denied.
Arent these connections similar. Yet at least with the Bible evidence is tangable and visible, and not just assumptive, as seen in the foundation of the biginning of life, the first life form that assembled itself to start with, then the balancing act needed to progress from the beginning.
Neither of these at the foundation are logical, no matter what biology connects similarities, and no matter what adaptations we see after the fact of a living thing at its completion.
There is only evidence of biological simillarites. Not sound science in the beginning of the first formed living thing. Nor in the balance required beyond that, with entropy working against it from the creation of the first cell, and naturally beyond that!
Creatures with eyes have eye genes. But its a big jump to then say life formed and stabilized out of nonliving matter.
Its a religion of idiots.
Its the greatest insult to the Creator. The actual creator.
Man being a god created himself out of a process from nothing.
Man breathed life into himself out of evolving from a combination of dead matter.
Not even another god, a nothing god ... the earth was void, unformed, darkness over the deep. Into nothing He brought forth life, into chaos He established the balance for life to continue.
And evolution is the god nothing. The self god, nature and man created self by selection of the best. The self made man, evolved from nothing.
Thank you for considering me to be as powerful as God, but I think you are mistaken. Do you think Jesus will be proud of you for claiming He is not much more powerful than a human?
I find it ironic that you claim that life stabilizing out of a biological molecule soup of energy is a big jump, but bringing forth life from nothing, taking chaos and making it balanced, isn't.
Ill start you with a small amt. The mounds can fill a library!
Why does Israel, God's Word, and Jesus divide and have huge significant effects on everyone in the entire world? Like the mid point of a circle, God is the center of the entire world, even the entire universe.
Bible codes tell of Jesus, and that in no way was in the hands of an old Jewish rabbi to control.
Jesus holds place of time world history is defined by His birth into the world. Time is divided by Him - B.C. and A.D.
An equidistant method of coding shows a clear purposeful pattern in the letters of the scriptures, and pulls letters from a specific numeric sequence out, to reveal hidden messages. It occurs also in DNA, where it pulls letters in living code. The Word is also Living and show living code.
This code found in the TORH, the first five books. It shows directional writing of languages. Show countries that read and write left to right and right to left answer to YHWH!
And Jesus on the time-line of world history also confirms the same. God mocks and laughs at scholars from the time-line of dating BC and AD in world history.
I laugh with Him at the idiot skeptic scholars!
Written language in the Hebrew text has codes revealed, Its as if God is directing from a directors chair, and He is perched in Jerusalem as the whole world sees Israel a cup of trembling, given to all nations to drink of His wrath.
Torh spelled out read in two directions in the Hebrew scripture. TORH spelled both direction left to right, and right to left, with YHWY in the middle.
The secrets of the Torah are revealed... in the skipping of the letters.
49 (72) letter sequences:
• Genesis TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Exodus TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Leviticus ? YHWH in a 7 pattern, square root of 49
• Numbers HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Deuteronomy HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
There are numerous calculations and measurements in the Bible from specific measurements in building designs instructed by God and in dates and times found the Bible.
Well I dont know why God put it there. Id imagine the book is so full of knowledge and wisdom and understanding that on one side its a confirmation that there is an outside influence and showing something that specific.
Even complete to the 4th decimal place in equations beyond the writers knowledge and ability. So it was a purposeful design to authenticate it. Or sign it as authored by more than the men that physically penned it.
Also God confounds the wise and mocks fools. So when the book is opened the foolishness of academia that denied God and caused multitudes to stumble and not seek God. When it is unrolled it will both mock and judge them. The blood of those they cause to stumble will be on their hands.
As far as the math itself, Im not a mathematician, so I can only think of known application as a lay person. Pi is measurements of a circle, inside out, and across etc...
pi appears in all sorts of calculations for physics, engineering, electrical systems.
The double-helix is DNA revolves around pi. Pi is in the rainbow, the pupil of the eye, and when a raindrop falls into water pi emerges in the spreading rings. It appears in colors and in music. It is also used in probability and statistics.
So I think the placement is not a calculation as in a word problem. But all incompassing of God's creation, intervention, judgement, and salvation. He brings creation full circle from creation to fall to our redemption.
Fullness of His dwelling. Complete measurement. God uses math and measurements within the scriptures also. Like measurements of the Noahs Ark and the Ark of the Covenant. And all kinds of measurements. So measurements and math are not foriegn to the actual reading of the written text.
So hidden in verse 1 of chapter 1 in Genesis and In John 1: 1 is profound and absolute design written by more than the pen of men!!
Gen 6 - Ark Measurements
14 Make for yourself an ark of gopher wood; you shall make the ark with rooms, and shall cover it inside and out with pitch. 15 This is how you shall make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 You shall make a window for the ark, and finish it to a cubit from the top; and set the door of the ark in the side of it; you shall make it with lower, second, and third decks.
17 Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.
Romans 8
38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
And "e" found in John 1: 1 Would be measurements of exponential growth. Which is what happened bt the Jews initially rejecting the Messiah.
Causing it to go out to the Gentiles. But also prophesied to come full circle, and lift the veil. To make a round trip so to speak, to reveal to the Jews also so in the end they also see the Messiah as who He is, Jesus.
Completing His creation full circle! And His salvation saves exponentially.
In Bible Codes, some are far out and take it far out. But some are a signature of Divine Authorship. And these ones are definitely signatures as if He etched His Word with His own hand.
Pi found in Genesis 1: 1 and adv math e found in John 1: 1.
These aren't spread out, found in difficulty, and in need of twisting. These two adv math codes are found, each found using within one verse. And each one found separately in chapter one of two seperate books, written in two separate millennials, in written in two separate languages. And the nature of interpretation works with what is there from the ancient text.
And the odds of them occurring at any point at all within all 66 books of the Bible is in probabilities of unreasonable proportions.
What do you think is the probability of a few of these together found coded in the Bible? If just musing at first glance, wouldn't you say, " no way?" I'm not even saying in the whole Bible. What is the probability all these are found in only six books out if 66?
As for me, I dont think a calculation is needed to tell me that is an unreasonable probability in calculations of a snowflakes chance in Hell!
Even crazier, pi and e are coded in two different languages, Hebrew for Jews and Greek was a time period of the Gospel's progression out to the Gentiles.
And both verses state "In the beginning," so they each speak of a time period of Creation and in Jesus as the Creator. And advanced math equations not known yet for 1000s of years to come.
In Genesis 1: 1 pi equation is encoded, in creation of the world and universe and in God stitching prophesy into appointed times to bring Creation full circle.
And in John 1: 1 in Greek while the Gospel is propelled out to the Gentiles, you find in verse one the equation for e, which is compound interest, multiplying exponentially.
So even the equations found communicate the purpose of the event. And even the Bible Author God, divided these times by purpose as shown in the 1st verses of these two books, Genesis and John. Then to add to this timetables for dating history is BC and AD.
So the Bible notes each beginning with a math equation. Then took the division of time line for dating history. And then add TORH TORH YHWY HROT HROT in the beginning of each of the five books of the Bible at intervals of Bible numbers of importance in the written text throughout every book of seven and forty-nine .
These singuarly are a stretch against reasonable probability, but for all to be right there on the top, not buried or crazy, together all these are proof of God and His Word. All of these together are impossible odds without Divine Authorship. Together these are more than just an oooh wow, these are against odds of probabilities that are not even be conceivable.
Now in contradiction beween the improbability of two faiths.
A comparison between Christianity and Evolution as ecplanation of Creation.
So on one hand, Evolutionism states strands of DNA self assembled and mutated and against all odds of occurance and against all odds of science principles and without any evidence of a physical example in front of our eyes, we are told to believe it. And that it is factual.
Then you take just these few pieces of many in evidence, tangible and available to view in everyone's individual hands. With everyone having the ability to test it, and even count out the codes for themselves, and literally proving itself in person from the beginning and in person showing agsinst all odds He not only created, but He put it in writing against all odds to prove it!
You have to be evil or an idiot to at least not step back and say there is more to God and the Bible than I currently think. Maybe I should look further!
For the prophesy below to have come true, God would have had to have fulfilled three prophesies to match history! -
To LINE UP WITH HISTORIC ACCURACY, There would have to be other prophesies fulfilled on which the prophesy below is dependent on.
THREE PROPHESIES HAD TO BE ACCURATE FOR THIS, NOT JUST ONE!!! All three were fulfilled.
2 OTHER Bible Prophesies -
1 -to scatter them to all the Nations, and 2 - then bring the Jews back from all the Nations He had scattered them, which are also other detailed prophesied! And bringing them back was fullfilled after ww2. .. ... Thousands of years after these prophesies!
Coincidence? Or is this inaccurate?
Was Terrorism a Biblical Prophesy?
Was the Middle East Crisis a Biblical Prophesy?
How many points can we accumulate for -
Bible Truth or Bible Lie?
It almost seems if it weren't for Israel life wouldn't be quite as disturbed. How is it that 4000 years of these people who really didn't bring much on themselves historically, are the matter that brings TREMBLING (OR TERROR!!!) To the door of EVERY Nation? Has Israel been a burden to lift? When lifting Israel
have those Nations face Trembling, and being cut into pieces?
How did the Bible know Nations would lift Israel? What Nations back then lifted other Nations?
Accurate prophesy?
BIBLE PROPHESY
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of TREMBLING unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it… For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of
the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle
Thallus, in the third book of his histories, explains away the darkness as an eclipse of the sun—unreasonably as it seems to me.’
Apparently, Thallus attempted to ascribe a naturalistic explanation to the darkness during the crucifixion.
Phlegon was a Greek historian who wrote an extensive chronology around AD 137:
In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad (i.e., AD 33) there was ‘the greatest eclipse of the sun’ and that ‘it became night in the sixth hour of the day [i.e., noon] so that stars even appeared in the heavens.
There was a great earthquake in Bithynia, and many things were overturned in Nicaea.’
Image Locutus Borg Solar annular (ring) eclipse; an eclipse could NOT have caused darkness at the crucifixion because they don't occur during the full moon
Annular (ring) eclipse. An eclipse could NOT have caused darkness at the crucifixion because they don’t occur during the full moon.
Phlegon provides powerful confirmation of the Gospel accounts. He identifies the year and the exact time of day. In addition, he writes of an earthquake accompanying the darkness, which is specifically recorded in Matthew’s Gospel (Matthew 27:51).
However, like Thallus, he fallaciously attempts to interpret the darkness as a direct effect of a solar eclipse.
Africanus composed a five volume History of the World around AD 221. He was also a pagan convert to Christianity. His historical scholarship so impressed Roman Emperor Alexander Severus that Africanus was entrusted with the official responsibility of building the Emperor’s library at the Pantheon in Rome. Africanus writes:
On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down.
This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior falls on the day before the passover; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun.
And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse be supposed to happen when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun?
Let opinion pass however; let it carry the majority with it; and let this portent of the world be deemed an eclipse of the sun, like others a portent only to the eye. Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth hour to the ninth—manifestly that one of which we speak.
But what has an eclipse in common with an earthquake, the rending rocks, and the resurrection of the dead, and so great a perturbation throughout the universe? Surely no such event as this is recorded for a long period.
Africanus rightly argues that a solar eclipse could not have occurred during the lunar cycle of the Passover, as this diagram shows. He also questions the link between an eclipse, an earthquake, and the miraculous events recorded in Matthew’s Gospel. Eclipses do not set off earthquakes and bodily resurrections.
We also know that eclipses only last for several minutes, not three hours. For Africanus, naturalistic explanations for the darkness at the crucifixion were grossly insufficient, as he showed by applying real science.
For the first time since the days of Adam this ineraction of planets and constelation occurs.
And the picture is a wioman in labor. With Jupiter remaining for the first time ever for 10 months circling in Virgos abdomen like an actual baby in the uterus!
I say wow!
CONSTELLATION IN THE SKY BEGINING SEPT 2017 has NOT been a cluster in the sky in this pattern since 5,933 years ago!
This constellation is the picture of the prophesy from the fall to the woman. And is foretold to be a sign to look for in Rev 12. Revelations says it will be "a great sign in the sky"
Jesus also said to look at the signs around us and in one scripture He warns when we see the signs of the time, He say for us to, " look up, your salvation draws nigh!"
Revelation 12 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;
2 and she was with child; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.
3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems.
4 And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.
5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
I took the account of "Jesus' last words" that are disputes of atheist, and I noticed an element that shows their positioning in the crowd, from the court to Golgotha.
All four are eyewitness accounts.
I took out a pen and paper and detailed just the trial and cross. I did it from each prespective. From it, I can literally tell you where they were standing!
Their eyes telling details told me.
Matt. He was a paranoid scared emotional mess that day.
. 1 - Matthew tells details of Judas, as if he, Matthew, was lerking in the area were he could see the religious leaders congregating. He was there without the other three writers. He notes Judas' sequence of events as though he was watching Judas throw the money back.
.... a) So the Pharisees I'd visualize were conspiring together, probably all in one section. And when Judas returned the silver, Matt saw him, that Judas was distraught, and then later found he hung himself.
.... b) The details Matt gives about the court room seem to be from he observe from lerking around behind the area the Pharisees were congregated. If thats the case, then there is a pretty good chance it's an eyewitness prespective of the court room.
. 2 - John was with Mary, the whole time. Mary being the mother of Jesus was not running and hiding. He stood by Mary. As Jesus' mother she had some freedom throughout the events.
.... a) Mary was inside the court room. John was with her, comforting her, while everyone else was hiding.
.... b) So he is the best most detailed one on details from a ring side seat prespective. And not of the conversations of people outside the court room.
.... c) So his details at court, as well as the cross are the details are from a prespective one one would record as if sitting up front.
.... d) It's the same way at the cross. John was in front, not hiding.
. 3 - So in the court room, John records testimonies and details as if the center hall was in his plain view.
. 4 - At the foot of the cross Jesus is having conversations with John
.... a) No others record personal conversations of Jesus from the cross.
.... b) Others record loud statements heard as if in the crowd
.... c) John records what he can hear because of his position.
.... d) John records "I am thirsty, the others mention Jesus
calling out a statement loudly, then people running around putting vinegar on a sponge giving Jesus a sponge of bitter
wine to drink. But it doesn't match what the statement was, it's like unmatched. These other guys hear a statement, then record actions that don't match what was heard loudly from in the noisy crowd!
.... e) But John records I am thirsty. And them running around giving Him this awful drink.
Every piece tells where all of these men are, and not one is
even trying to tell anther prespective.
And I can go point by point on all four
. 5 - Matthew says - the two thieves were yelling insults.
.... a) Matt goes on and on about people shouting insults. You can really get in Matt's head, it's like his focus is on the screaming so he was in that frame of mind, and in the midst of a hostile crowd.
.... b) If Matthew was on the far left of the thieves. He may only be able to make out some of what the left thief was saying. But could visibly see the thief on the right side yelling back.
.... c) Matthew seems to be on a rant as he mentions the list of people all around him hurling insults, and recants them as if the injustice is beyond reason, he seems to be in shock of it all, and emotionally agitated.
. 6 - Luke seems to be more toward the cross on the right side of Jesus, and can hear the thief on the leftt insulting, and the the thief on the right side of Jesus defending Jesus.
.... a) But it's not a discrepancy, it's the opposite, it fills it prespective of eyewitness like recounts of any event, if you add up all the parts, or better yet create a scene with puzzle pieces of prespectives, you can picture it exactly as it was, as each wrote it from where they personally were during the event.
. 7 - Mark is the only one who records Joseph, the rich guy who donated the tomb, needing to get up "enough courage to request the body of Jesus post mortum"
.... a ) Mark, being somewhat connected to Peter was probably with Peter and the wealthy man named Joseph, on thr edge of the crowd, off to the side just off the street where people were not engaged in the event, but passing by in their everyday routine.
.... b) Mark records more "passers-by material,"
.... c) Even with the details of the trial for Mark are from a distanced observer.
.... d) If Mark was or wasn't an eyewitness could go either way, either he was there as Peter's sidekick hanging with Peter, and writing as more of Peter's prespective being in Peter's circle, and influenced by Peter's prespective by association. Or he wasn't there and recounted details as Peter gave.
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I was amazed when I did it myself, I have determined that historians even biblical scholars complicate things. The professional peer pressure is a likely factor in their declarations. We all need to be scholars. We cannot take anything at face value in these last days.
A flood of deceptions are poured out in maximum proportions. This is by blinding judgement from God. Giving people over to their deceptions, sin, and flesh, all consuming with a gravitational pull that up till recent years has been lifted for some ability to reach out of the dust, and follow the light to the Way of Truth and Salvation. The gravitational pull of the blackhole of Sheol is the end of man.
In the end will lock and seal them under the law and under the "serpent's belly." The serpent is the prosecutor and jailer. Imprisoning all dust and flesh under him.
Only those made righteous through the work of Jesus, providing the Ark to escape being swept away as by flood, through the Ark of the Covenant, through the way of the cross and the resurection.
I went to these accounts myself to answer skeptic criticism of the Gospel accounts validity as eyewitnesses.
Just taking this one event, the biggest event in the Gospels. I found all four written, each with a different prespective from their vantage point of where they were standing or walking during the event.
I detailed each Gospel account during the trial and crucifixtion of Jesus. I could literally see the event from their unique prespectives, of their individual vantage point of where they were standing. And by what they could see, and not see. And what they could hear, and not hear. And what was going on around them according to their proximity and their placement during the entire event from the court up to the last breath of Jesus.
I could clearly see their frame of mind, their personalities, their memory with their emotions of that particular day seen in their writing of the details, and their mental state on that day, their response to a variety of elements that they each separately experienced that day.
This was one time where they were scattered, one time where each would have the most differences in their experience, because being scattered gave each a different vantage point all together because of their unique placements during this event.
Whereas the other chapters of each Gospel are more personality and prespective as from within the group. The trial and cross were actual prespective by their presence and placement during the event, separated from being together within the group.
In my opinion, what "they" say is not the final determination limiting my own responsibility to think. Secular and even many Bible scholars" are guessing, or playing the professional peer review game.
Some conclude what they want to conclude, what they intend to spin as truth, regardless of actual truth. Some are afraid of all their professional peers. And most blogs and sites for or against the authenticity of eyewitness in the Gospels are just a mimick of either version they want to use to support their own views.
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So I studied for myself, and found this question of eyewitness authenticity answers itself right in the biblical text itself. By a little reading comprehension, contextual inference, and common sense, the writer shows us who exactly were the eyes of each of the Gospel accounts are.
The court and cross accounts in each Gospel is unique because they weren't viewing the event together as a group.
They were scattered, this portion of the Gospel is written from a more unique and per individual prespective. The disciples were completely separated out of the group, and either hiding alone, or with just a few of the others. We can see that difference in throughout this event specifically.
John was inside the courthouse area with Mary, and at the foot of the cross with Mary.
John was going through this day at Mary's pace, managing Mary's grief, along side her all day.
Luke was the second closest, still hanging low, but his vantage point was inside the court area, but on the side toward where the people exited headed to Galgatha. Luke caught many details of the court case, and also caught some side conversations, after Jesus was sentenced in the court area and also while Jesus was being lead to Golgotha.
Matthew was behind where the Pharisees were, and was outside of the court room, opposite side of were Luke was.
And Mark was not in the court area close enough to detail testimonies or the commotion after the sentencing.
Mark was likely hanging low with Peter, and also along with the rich man named Joseph, who donated his tomb.
Mark's account shows he was likely with Peter and Joseph, the tomb gifter. The account is described as if it were from prespective of one on the furthest edge of the entire event, yet within proximity to record them from a prespective of one standing further away from the action that the other three.
Mark's prespective is from by the road side, where people were going past. Passing through the commotion while going about their daily routine.
Most of Mark's comments are as if from a prespective of watching it all from an area where people passing through, and not where people were in huddled together as spectators inside the crowd. "Passing by" and "shaking their heads." And not from in the midst of the crowd, noise, and chaos.
Mark writes Jesus' criminal sentencing and the crucifixion as recounted by a prespective of one close enough to see the activity outside the courthouse, and hearing bits as people went by them, on the road to Golgotha, but not close enough to record the details of testimonies and conversations.
At the trial John sat with Mary inside the court room, a premium seat. And at the cross, John was directly in front of the cross.
Luke made it to Galgatha before John and Mary. So you can imagine that Mary was an emotional wreck, and John moved at her lead as he comforted her.
Luke made it down to where they were erecting the cross to its upright position before John. He catches Jesus saying Father forgive them ... and also the conversation Jesus had with the thief on the right side.
Luke was standing closer to the thief on the right side. And also seems to be in the mist of a less noisy crowd compared to Matthew's position. Mark pretty much stayed in the business road, at the outer edge or outside of the crowd.
Matthew was standing on the far side of the left side thief, and in the midst of a noisy hostile crowd.
In the beginning, how was it formed without destroying itself. And how did it progress and how did nature balance while the process continued and how did the first animals present themselves.
That is an interesting topic for scientific research. It would fit with everything else we know about evolution. Hopefully we will find out in time.
I don't even know where to begin. Everyone believes in a lot of science that is accepted as fact, such as gravity. Furthermore, are you saying that the science of climate change is nonexistent?
Climate change is inevitable, if it exists. Its not like we will be able to fix it.
The Bible says the world will be destroyed by intense melting heat. Sounds nuclear but climate change could add many natural devastations told of the end times.
You might notice that I have concluded dozens of my posts with the point that believers in evolution feel it excuses their immoralities.
The Bible puts it more plainly, "in the last days shall come scoffers, walking after their own lusts.". The fight against God and support evolution because they want a license for their lusts, be those lusts pride, power, money, whatever. If you get them talking, you will find they all have sexual perversions which they excuse themselves in. Every one of these scoffers has boasted of sexual sin. It's the stronghold of the devil, they want to believe they are animals so their immoralities are excused. They are dishonest or they would acknowledge true science which prevents the hypothesis of evolution or the big bang from being a theory and by rules of science should completely disqualify evolution or big bang from any public funding except maybe in a philosophy class room discussing alternatives to believing God is God.
Straw-manning evolution doesn't make your stance any more believable. You are attacking a construct that isn't representative of the sciences stance.
Evolution doesn't have anything to do with abiogenisis. Evolution has to do with the diversity of species.
If I see someone with a bullet hole, see the gun that was used, see the powder burns etc but don't know who pulled the trigger I can still see the evidence that suggests someone was shot. Your stance says despite all the evidence someone was shot, that conclusion can't be right because we don't know who pulled the trigger. Your stance is untenable. Your stance ignores what evolution actually says and you just make something up that is irrelevant.
You appear to be a troll or a crazy person. On the off chance you are neither; If you really want to discuss evolution try starting with something actually claimed by evolution and is relevant instead of your made up straw-man. Here is a link for you to start. http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/home.php
You appear to be a clown who expects me to believe in evolution because you cling to it as an excuse for your immoralities. You are one big snob, trying to play intellectual punk snob games. You're just a big mouth punk pretending to be smarter than God and I'm not impressed. You talk about straw men, then you compare a crime scene to evolution? Are you serious? Yes, I know, you are serious and to me you're a joke. If you want to believe evolution excuses your immoralities and you are better and smarter than God and cannot be condemned in death to Hell, go ahead and believe it you snob.
Your crime scene comparison is beyond stupid. If there's a bullet hole, a bullet went through the hole. If there's a pile of bones of a dead animal, an animal died. That's observable facts. Evolution is nothing but your beliefs begging the question. Evolution does not say anything, it would be nonexistent except for clowns like you saying it is real. Evolution is dead.
Evolution is a simple concept shoved down the throats of children as soon as they open their eyes after birth and sometimes before that. There's nothing to understand, it's all about what you want to believe and you want to believe it because you do not want to renounce your lusts. Science supporting evolution is backwards, declaring it true and then declaring all of nature proves it's true, it's the logical fallacy of begging the question. Evolution is pseudo-science, it's make believe garbage which cannot be observed and can be shown only in cartoon animations, it's fairy tales..........and no surprise that fairies and other sorts of perverts love it.
Science supporting evolution is backwards, declaring it true and then declaring all of nature proves it's true, it's the logical fallacy of begging the question.
Fortunately, that isn't what happened. Over a century of research has established it is true. Science is about discovering new information. We would never advance as a species if we forced people to go through all of the experiments currently known before being allowed to make new discoveries.
There's nothing to discuss in evolution, it's a lie. If you want to believe in it, go ahead. What good is it? None, it's good for nothing and all it does is turn people like you into snobs...and that's the best that comes out of it. The rest is much more evil than that.
People like you never stop with rejecting science. If we stop researching 1 aspect of biology you will just start rejecting the next aspect of biology.
Do you take medicine? Do you go to the doctor? If you don't then you aren't a hypocrite. If however, you use medicine and go to the doctor, you have not come to grips with the fact that you are dying.
There is nothing wrong with biology. Biology that is factual science!
Do not think we are against biology, God created our biology!
Evolution is not biology. You can compare and learn and experiment to your hearts content.
We are against evolution because it is not factual. And its a faith not a science.
Using the word adaptation for adaptation would help in discussing origin and growth.
Even if you found a one celled animal in a fossil record from a billion years ago to then build a science fiction novel from it and say we evolved from it is the problem we have with it.
No one ever saw evolution, no one can prove evolution!
Its all explanations of what someome imagined out of it. And then its supporters in education, often militant atheists spinning their religion, change the story slightly to twist the words and repackage it as if they proved more. Every time they are proven to not factual they rename something and act like its true now.
So the method of this religion that is far from scientific, now redefine adaptation. And then make "adaptation" the argument on evolution side. And thats nonsense!
That is how cults work, fyi!
And your generation is brainwashed in that same way.
Do not think we are against biology, God created our biology
Remember I never said God didn't have anything to do with biology, you did.
Evolution is not biology. You can compare and learn and experiment to your hearts content.
You can deny to your heart's content.
We are against evolution because it is not factual. And its a faith not a science.
Not true. You are against it because you think it goes against the Bible.
Using the word adaptation for adaptation would help in discussing origin and growth.
The study of adaptation in biology is known as evolution.
Even if you found a one celled animal in a fossil record from a billion years ago to then build a science fiction novel from it and say we evolved from it is the problem we have with it.
Because it interferes with your preference for science fiction novels.
No one ever saw evolution, no one can prove evolution!
We have and we did.
all explanations of what someome imagined out of it. And then its supporters in education, often militant atheists spinning their religion, change the story slightly to twist the words and repackage it as if they proved more. Every time they are proven to not factual they rename something and act like its true
Is there any explanation you use for other people that doesn't fit you better. Is everything protection with you?
So the method of this religion that is far from scientific, now redefine adaptation. And then make "adaptation" the argument on evolution side. And thats nonsense!
We didn't redefine adaptation, you redefined evolution.
That is how cults work, fyi!
You think cults work by redefining the weird adaptation?
And your generation is brainwashed in that same way.
I am not part of your generation.
And I am sick of the steering!
And we are tired of you steering. Drop dead please.
