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Why Everyone Hates Republicans

Republican: "Get a job you lazy bum, stop living off of unemployment!"

Citizen: "The only jobs that are available are in the service industry, but if you say so..." -gets a job in the service industry-

Republican: "You don't deserve to earn enough to survive at this job, you bum!"

Citizen: "But I work full-time, shouldn't I be entitle to a living wage?"

Republican: "Entitle? Living wage? Oh no, the communists have breached our defenses, quick, put this sucker in prison with the worst of criminals: gays and pot smokers!"

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The Republican Party is currently the conservative party in the United States. Conservatism: a political and social philosophy promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of the culture and civilization. Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others, called reactionaries, oppose modernism and seek a return to "the way things were".

By definition, a conservative is closed minded.

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Jace(5187) Clarified
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Not that I think your observations are particularly incorrect, but simply that I find it worthy of mention that on the larger political spectrum the Republican and Democratic parties are not particularly different from on another... Arguably the consequence of 200+ years of a two-party system.

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FromWithin(8242) Disputed
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By definition, Democrats have become socialists and after six years of Obama ABSOLUTELY PROVES what the GOP has always said. GOVERNMENT IS NEVER THE ANSWER!

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The GOP is socialist as well. Eisenhower's highways? Socialism. Medicare? Socialism. Police and fire services? Socialism. National parks? Socialism. If government is never the answer then maybe you should stop supporting the GOP because they are socialist and, like every other political party in America, use the -shutters in terror- the government to enforce their policies.

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Cite what definition of Socialism you believe the Democratic party has adhered to, and where you are getting that definition, please.

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I don't mean any of that, it's not my definition, it's Wikipedia's. Arguably conservatives don't really want reduced government, since they would prefer if the government took a larger role in ethics and morals. Not to mention that anyone who supports the current military budget (many conservatives want to expand it) can't really claim to be in support of small government since it is the biggest expenditure, which requires the largest amount of government support.

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And yet, conservatives have often increased the size of government on a wide variety of issues.

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I don't hate, generally. That said, many GOP pundits, politicians and followers exhibit some variety of: heartless, scientifically-ignorant, self-important, fear and hate mongering, insulting, topic avoiding, lower-class detesting bullies.

And I don't like those types of people very much.

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all we get from politicians on the right is the message "we need to cut welfare for the poor," while they continually support welfare for the rich. . . . .

CHOMSKY ON WELFARE
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Do I think that they're dead wrong, or at least very very misguided? Of course! I find that they care far more about principles than results, even in economics their views seem to me as based on values rather than hard science.

All of my relatives are all very Republican and very Christian, except for a self-described Libertarian (agnostic) sibling, and a liberal (Christian) cousin. On the whole, I've met far more people who identify as conservative than anything else.

I strongly advocate having a deep love for everyone and forgiving them as being essential for a better state of mind, and it's working for me, even if letting go of anger can be quite a bitter pill to swallow at times. This is not for religious reasons, I'm a staunch atheist, apatheist, and I'm also more or less a liberal.

Some people may be stubborn and dogmatic, but they're still people, and it's ultimately your choice as to whether or not you're going to stay angry. I just accept people for who they are, and try to work with what is given to me. For example, we can try to use that "handouts are bad" attitude to get them on board with higher estate and gift taxes.

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It is hard to feel a deep love for people who are perpetuating poverty, war, racism, sexism, the military-industrial complex and the incarceration of social deviants. People don't hate Republicans because they are angry at the world or anything like that, we hate the GOP because the GOP hates us. Without any exaggeration, the Republicans believe that I should be locked up with murderers and rapists. Not because I hurt anyone, but simply because my way of life is different from theirs. Because I have the audacity to smoke smoke, in their eyes I am scum and should have years of my life taken from me. When a group of people wish to imprison me for any reason I obviously will not take kindly to them, but I will especially be angered with them when they do it because they are too close-minded to even consider an idea that isn't from their own isolated, out of touch culture. My friends can't get married because their idea of what love is doesn't fit nicely into what conservative America's idea of love. They don't have access to the basic human of healthcare because the right-wing half of America wants to pretend it's 1776 and that we can all just live as Jeffersonian farmers. Children live in poverty and are then thrown into adult life with no tools to get out of it because they would rather spend money on bombs than welfare and education. I can be friends with someone who disagrees, hell I've had intimate relationships with someone who disagrees with me. But these people, they're just monsters that look good because they just so happened to be the victors. In conclusion, I can not love these people deeply.

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Stickers(1037) Disputed
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It is hard to feel a deep love for people who are perpetuating poverty, war, racism, sexism, the military-industrial complex and the incarceration of social deviants.

I haven't refuted that it isn't easy, in fact I've acknowledged that it isn't.

People don't hate Republicans because they are angry at the world or anything like that, we hate the GOP because the GOP hates us.

Are you actually going to prove that everyone hates Republicans, and that the members of the party hate "us"?

Without any exaggeration, the Republicans believe that I should be locked up with murderers and rapists. Not because I hurt anyone, but simply because my way of life is different from theirs.

Because I have the audacity to smoke smoke, in their eyes I am scum and should have years of my life taken from me.

No, you're not going to a max security prison for smoking marijuana, that's a silly fringe view that hardly anyone is advocating. And again, no, it's not because you're different, it's because they believe that you're posing a threat to society.

http://norml.org/laws/item/federal-penalties-2

As long as you're not dealing or cultivating, it's unlikely that you're going to spend years in prison.

When a group of people wish to imprison me for any reason I obviously will not take kindly to them, but I will especially be angered with them when they do it because they are too close-minded to even consider an idea that isn't from their own isolated, out of touch culture.

My friends can't get married because their idea of what love is doesn't fit nicely into what conservative America's idea of love.

Which assertions of mine are you refuting here? It just sounds like you're expanding on my points that Republican policies tend to be bad, and that they're dead wrong, with examples.

They don't have access to the basic human of healthcare because the right-wing half of America wants to pretend it's 1776 and that we can all just live as Jeffersonian farmers.

Okay, I didn't want to have to get visceral, but haven't you had these views at one point???

I don't remember hearing this from you in our last debate, in fact iirc I remember you as a die hard Libertarian, so I'm bit bewildered by all of this. That being said, wouldn't you agree that this really the result of indoctrination and ignorance, rather than spite and apathy?

Children live in poverty and are then thrown into adult life with no tools to get out of it because they would rather spend money on bombs than welfare and education.

Again, correct, but I'm not refuting that conservatism is causing damage, the crux of my point is that you're just going to have to try to get rid of the hate. It wasn't my aim to downplay, ignore, or disregard the damage, and I don't think that I've done that.

I can be friends with someone who disagrees, hell I've had intimate relationships with someone who disagrees with me. But these people, they're just monsters that look good because they just so happened to be the victors. In conclusion, I can not love these people deeply.

I'm sure that your brain was given the equipment to do this, you can do it, your fixating is just making it very difficult for yourself.

I'm not suggesting that you applaud the results of conservatism (in fact I feel that you should do the opposite, but we already agree there), just that it's optimal to try to get rid of the anger, because that anger is really just going to make things worse. And dare I say, you'd be helping them slow down your personal development by staying angry, an essential part of your development seems to have been moving away from them in certain aspects, namely economic theory and some values.

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All of my relatives are all very Republican and very Christian, except for a self-described Libertarian (agnostic) sibling, and a liberal (Christian) cousin. On the whole, I've met far more people who identify as conservative than anything else.

Most people don't self identify as political, but most people say conservative logic out of their mouths.

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Not everyone hates the GOP. Only Liberals and welfare sponges hate them. They are told to do so by the Liberal media.

The GOP know how to create real jobs that pay real wages by lowering taxes and not making enemies of Business, while Democrats have become socialists and create nothing but Government jobs and minimum wage jobs. But it keeps getting better. The Democrat party decided to force Obamacare on the people who told them they hated it. This took away full time jobs and kept companies from hiring more than 49 people. The middle class is being destroyed by this extremist party.

Democrats have become so blatant finally showing even the most dense of voters who they truly are and how they care only for their voting blocks. They will redistribute the middle class pay check to buy off the votes.

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So are liberals elitists, or welfare sponges? You keep changing your mind on them.

Why do you attack the liberal media so much, when you let Conservative media pull the same thing on you?

The rest of your post I have addressed on different comments within the past few minutes.

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Not everyone hates the GOP. Only Liberals and welfare sponges hate them. They are told to do so by the Liberal media.

Based on your statement as a whole, I'm going to assume that by "liberal media" you mean any media outlet besides Fox, The New York Post or the Wall Street Journal. When it comes to international news, the American liberal view is actually what is know as moderate through out the industrial world.

The GOP know how to create real jobs that pay real wages by lowering taxes and not making enemies of Business, while Democrats have become socialists and create nothing but Government jobs and minimum wage jobs.

The GOP cutting taxes can only help so much, companies in the united states could pay much higher taxes than they currently are. In fact, our taxes are quite low compared to most times in history and our economy is barely growing at all. Further more, the GOP is against any attempt to modernize laws for the internet or to modernize our education system, which is actually the biggest killer of jobs. It seems like a lot of conservatives don't seem to understand that we're living in the information era and most of the new jobs created will be in high tech industries (that require at least some college education) and will operate over the internet. You really think manufacturing is going to supply good paying jobs in the future? Certainly not, the assembly line is becoming more and more mechanized to the point that it will soon be run totally by machines. Further more, 3D printers are going to flip manufacturing and shipping on their ass as they become more popular. So while the GOP is busy pretending it's still 1980, they're slowing our transition into a new age of economic growth.

But it keeps getting better. The Democrat party decided to force Obamacare on the people who told them they hated it.

Actually, the the idea of health care reform is what got him elected, so the majority of Americans didn't hate.

This took away full time jobs and kept companies from hiring more than 49 people. The middle class is being destroyed by this extremist party.

Maybe if we had universal health care like every other industrialized nation the American population would have to try to cram a half-way reform through. We had the most inefficient and expensive healthcare system in the world before the reform, it would be crazy to leave the pig be. Again, the Democratic party isn't extreme, they are considered moderate in industrialized world.

Democrats have become so blatant finally showing even the most dense of voters who they truly are and how they care only for their voting blocks. They will redistribute the middle class pay check to buy off the votes.

The middle class doesn't pay the majority of taxes, that would be the upper class who lobby congress to give them tax breaks and loop holes, but I suspect you have no problem with corporate welfare. Furthermore, giving people some cash so they don't starve or freeze to death because of the economic conditions in our country isn't buying votes, it's called humanity, you might want to try it sometime.

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1 - There is an innumerable amount of ways to earn waaay more money than the average job position (Note: this may be limited to entrepreneurial mindsets)

Not everyone has the resources or skill sets to start their own business. Regardless of where someone may be down the road, that future entrepreneur is either going to have to survive off of government assistance, low wage work or debt until then. So while the poor may be able to become rich in the future (keep in mind, this is statistically very unlikely) they won't have enough income to feed, clothe and shelter themselves, not to mention paying for modern day necessities such as a phone, internet and car (you might not need a car if you live in an urban area, but that is evened out by higher rent) until they eventually get their break, and that could be years of waiting. It doesn't make sense to starve workers like this because of the notion that they may one day become wealthy.

2 - People are, in a way, just waiting for a handout if they do not even try and earn a living (self-employed) for themselves (hence premise #1); and if they're just waiting for the govt. to handout a job.

False. If you started your statement with "Some people are" instead of "People are" then it would have been plausible. We are only just starting to understand human nature, all we know for sure is that is that people are motivated by a variety of incentives and that not everyone has the same incentives or goals. If there is some sort of study that shows other wise I'd be very interested to see it. Further more, government assistance has requirements that must be met before benefits can be received, so not just anyone can waltz in and say "pay all my expenses."

3 - therefore, people sitting back and blaming the govt. for their financial problems goes unwarranted and irresponsible

Why can't people blame their country for their financial problems? If you happen to be born into a poor country where workers don't have to be paid enough to live and education for well paying jobs isn't made readily available how are you economic problems your fault? An absolute genius could be born in the wrong place at the wrong time and never get anywhere in life, why, because individuals don't have sole control over their fate. An individual is limited in what they can do by their environment, and if they are stuck in a particularly unfruitful environment, I can't see how it is out of line to blame the environment instead of the individual.

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Harvard(666) Disputed
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Not everyone has the resources or skill sets to start their own business. Regardless of where someone may be down the road, that future entrepreneur is either going to have to survive off of government assistance, low wage work or debt until then [...]

Cutting grass for 30 bucks a lawn (not in the poor neighborhoods), collecting miscellaneous metals and selling it to a scrap yard, then negotiating a consistency deal, etc.. I never said the purpose of self-employment is to become rich, I said their are self-employment opportunities that can make more than minimum wage, but people lack effort to try and start a self-employed job because they don't want to teach themselves innumerable things available on the internet that they can use at a free public library. For instance, teaching yourself to program then programming an app that generates an average $100+ a month- which is a low average, is perfectly free but requires effort and dedication; but a thug in a bandanna doesn't want to be seen in the library coding like some geeky nerd and lose street cred.. So he'll just remain poor and cool.

False. If you started your statement with "Some people are" instead of "People are" then it would have been plausible

I didn't say 'all' so I wasn't implying everyone. The rest of your statement is comprised of excuses to justify laziness. Just because everyone doesn't have the same motivational incentives doesn't mean one cannot be motivated or have incentives..? It just means they'll be motivated differently and have different incentives.

If you happen to be born into a poor country where workers don't have to be paid enough to live and education for well paying jobs isn't made readily available how are you economic problems your fault?

This whole statement is irrelative as we are clearly speaking of America. And in America, unless one is tied up in a basement, or in prison, they can educate themselves (free libraries with computers that have internet wherein infinite knowledge I readily and freely available to anyone with Wi-Fi) and then implement that education in reality and consequently earn money- as the billionaire Warren Buffet says "the more you learn, the more you earn".

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14giraffes(87) Disputed
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Everything is conditional.

(1) Most poor people who are struggling don't have the mental capacity to reach this ideal set in your first premise.

(2) these positions are limited.

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Just as a footnote, I grew up in red Kentucky and I wasn't diagnosed CAPD and ADHD until I was in my 30s. Today psychological care is completely pulled out of the school system because right wingers don't want to pay for it. These kinds of decisions they are making have drastic social implications that are devastating to the health of society.

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Harvard(666) Clarified
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Right because they're to focused on why the govt. is holding them back- and if they truly cared they would get their lazy asses up and protest or something.

They are also focused on the next episode of desperate housewives or some other show about the rich and free instead of reading things that may expand their mental capacity as to what is out their that they can actually do for themselves.

You also disregard what they spend their extra cash on (nice clothes instead of really cheap ones, unnecessary gifts for their children, fast-food, etc.). A child does not need a gift on their birthday or Christmas if their parents aren't financially in a good position. This may sound harsh but it is good advise if they wish to better their position by saving up money and investing in something that creates a larger ROI (not stock- as those earnings are contingent) but other assets- and they can learn about them while reading investment books instead of watching reality TV.

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