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Debate Score:21
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Why I'm Losing Trust in the Institutions

"The CDC came scarily close to adopting a plan that would, according to its own models, have killed thousands of Americans."
"The attack on philosophically liberal principles has by now migrated from leafy college campuses to the most important and powerful organizations in the country."
-Yascha Mounk

https://www.persuasion.community/p/why-im-losing-trust-in-the-institutions


Trust our Institutions

Side Score: 9
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Don't Trust our Institutions

Side Score: 12
2 points

The attack on philosophically liberal principles has by now migrated from leafy college campuses to the most important and powerful organizations in the country

Oh, I see. It's "philosophically liberal principles" under attack at "leafy college campuses", is it? That's quite a strange way to describe thinking critically about capitalism.

Side: Trust our Institutions
Amarel(5385) Disputed
0 points

Mounk is describing the ideology behind the CDC's recommendation to follow a policy of racial equity that would kill thousands more people than other policy prescription. Is that what being critical of capitalism gets us? Race based death dealers?

"The reasons for this mistrust are perfectly encapsulated in the reports that mainstream newspapers published about the CDC’s recommendation. The write-up in the New York Times, for example, barely mentions the committee’s last-minute change of heart. A faithful reader of the newspaper of record would not even know that an important public body was, until it received massive criticism from the public, about to sacrifice thousands of American lives on the altar of a dangerous and deeply illiberal ideology."

Side: Don't Trust our Institutions
BurritoLunch(6608) Disputed Banned
1 point

Mounk is describing the ideology behind the CDC's recommendation to follow a policy of racial equity that would kill thousands more people than other policy prescription.

You posted two separate quotes you utterly stupid idiot. Why are you pretending I replied to the one about the CDC? I question whether you can even read, Amarel.

Side: Trust our Institutions
2 points

When institutions are under the direction/pressure of a "regime" in place of an "administration" lots of bad things happen, especially if you have someone leading the institution that is afraid S/HE will be replaced by someone much more dangerous! Choices have to be made. Several chose to minimize the damage by minimally following the agenda forced on them. Others were intentionally following it because they were PART of it!

Hopefully, with leaders that are willing to listen rather than dictate, the trust in our institutions can be re-instated! :-)

Side: Trust our Institutions
Amarel(5385) Disputed
1 point

It is not likely that the CDC guidelines designed to consider racial equity were a result of Trump leading the federal administration. The other institution mentioned in the article is the New York Times. If that organization is untrustworthy, it's not likely Trump's fault.

Side: Don't Trust our Institutions
BurritoLunch(6608) Disputed Banned
1 point

It is not likely that the CDC guidelines designed to consider racial equity were a result of Trump leading the federal administration. The other institution mentioned in the article is the New York Times. If that organization is untrustworthy, it's not likely Trump's fault.

The author of your article is the person who is untrustworthy, which is of course very predictable:-

Yascha Mounk tells people what they want to hear.

The academic-turned-pundit may fashion himself a doomsayer, but his message merely comforts the powerful.

https://theoutline.com/post/7123/yascha-mounk-tells-people-what-they-want-to-hear?zd=1&zi=s3nqc3re

Let's see if that conclusion is correct by reading the second paragraph of Mounk's "article":-

The first is that we should avoid “leveling down” everyone’s quality of life for the purpose of achieving equality. It is unjust when some people have plenty of food while others are starving. But alleviating that inequality by making sure that an even greater number of people starve is clearly wrong.

https://www.persuasion.community/p/why-im-losing-trust-in-the-institutions

Oh, OK then. We can't alleviate inequality because it leads to more inequality? That certainly doesn't sound like the bizarre circular reasoning of a paid corporate shill. 😆

Side: Trust our Institutions
1 point

there are no 'institutions'. there are self-interested individuals acting under the auspices of authority conferred to them by dominant narratives of legitimacy. i have even more reason to distrust these socially empowered individuals than the average person, given my relative disempowerment.

Side: Don't Trust our Institutions
Amarel(5385) Clarified
0 points

The title of the debate is the headline of the article. In case you were interested.

Side: Trust our Institutions
Jace(5156) Clarified
1 point

yeah, i got that. and?

Side: Trust our Institutions

I believe you, and have a negative veiw, of government, and institutions. I am not singling out either Republicans or Democrats, as I am a centrist, and allergic, to bullshit.

Side: Don't Trust our Institutions
BurritoLunch(6608) Disputed Banned
2 points

I am a centrist,

You can say that a hundred million times if you like and it will never be true.

Side: Trust our Institutions
1 point

Not tonight honey, I have a headache......................................................................................................

Side: Don't Trust our Institutions