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 Why The Words Of Jesus Don't Work (38)

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Why The Words Of Jesus Don't Work

Jesus said that you can tell the difference between true and false teachers by the “fruit" they produce. True  teachers produce good fruit and good fruit only while bad teachers produce bad fruit and bad fruit only. But this doesn't work. The Roman Catholic Church for example does good and bad. They have killed and tortured many but has done a lot of charity work and set up many hospital and schools. So we can't tell if they are true or false teachers or not. Martin Luther, who protested against the Catholic Church and founded protestantism, didn't do any bad. So how are we meant to know which one is correct. There are so many different teachings that clearly contradict each other. Each one always seems to do good or both good and bad. And they can't all be right. I think we can conclude that the words of Jesus do not work. So there is no way that he is god.

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People just interpret the word differently.

Everybody please don't listen to this, this is all saracen propaganda to strengthen their occupation of the holy land by ensuring we won't crusade the hell out of them by taking away our faith.

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The words of Jesus were never anything special either way just basic common sense , if you want a demonstration of the way your average Christian behaves just look at the ones here on CD who never ' turn the other cheek ' or demonstrate the much quoted ' love thy neighbour as thyself ' they only CLAIM to believe because the vast majority do and act in the total opposite way that they hypocritically preach at others .

If the majority of the worlds populations claim to be believers the majority are not very good at it are they ?

A quick look through any so called god fearing nation will show how poorly they treat , the elderly , sick and destitute people .. it's all hypocrisy at its worst .....

What would Jesus think of his modern day followers ?

outlaw60(15368) Disputed Banned
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What would Mohammed think of his modern day followers ?

Quran

As mentioned, there are nearly 500 verses from 87 Suras that speak of Hell. This is just a sample:

Quran (40:71-72) - When the fetters and the chains shall be on their necks; they shall be dragged Into boiling water, then in the fire shall they be burned

Quran (22:19-21) - But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron

Quran (4:56) - Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise

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I assure you, if the dogmatists here were vocal about Islam, it'd receive at least similar criticism.

NowASaint(1380) Clarified
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I see you are responding....when I don't respond to your idiotic comments, it's only because I quit reading them since trying to tell you how you can be saved is what Jesus referred to as casting pearls before swine. Isn't that neat how Jesus referred to haters like you as "swine". He had lots of other names for you too. I'm sure you appreciate it.

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No one appreciates the imagination of idiots.

I'd recommend you stop hoping that.

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The good in the words of any person from history, religious or otherwise, remains intact to persuade or uplift any and all future people. But it's up to those future people to use what's good from the lesson instead of dwelling on what's bad and instead of bastardizing them into something else which serves their own human purposes.

People, from ANY church denomination, who point to Jesus but then act like jerks, truly have missed the point of what we should have learned from Jesus. And likewise, quoting scriptures many years after his death which were written to dwell on fear and punishment and authoritarianism, is a misunderstanding that those twists on his life were yet another example of humans inserting what served their own purposes at the time.

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You refuse to admit you are a sinner who deserves to burn in Hell. That is why you believe the word of God is of no affect for you.

Dermot(5736) Disputed
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You refuse to admit you're a bully who judges everyone and condemns everyone ; I actually think you may be insane .

NowASaint(1380) Clarified
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Oh, looks like the Darwin idolizing guy is still with us and not burning in Hell. That's good, there's still time so maybe he can realize God loves Him and come into agreement with God regarding his twisted heart which is unworthy of life and find God's mercy through faith in the blood of His Son which covers the sin of all who believe He is the Living God who died for their sins and rose in victory over sin, death, and Hell and will judge the living and the dead. Too bad you're still a dead man walking, but maybe you'll wake up and get saved before it't too late and you wake up in Hell having sealed your dying in preference of your pride.

Thank you for this opportunity to publish the gospel again.

NowASaint(1380) Clarified
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I see you are responding....when I don't respond to your idiotic comments, it's only because I quit reading them since trying to tell you how you can be saved is what Jesus referred to as casting pearls before swine. Isn't that neat how Jesus referred to haters like you as "swine". He had lots of other names for you too. I'm sure you appreciate it.

Or, as I think, hopelessly idiotic beyond any possible saving .

AlofRI(3294) Disputed
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( I ), admit to being a "sinner", in the Biblical sense of the word. I just don't agree with the Biblical sense of the word. I think people who slander others, who tell them they should "go to hell", who call them sinners because they don't believe the things THEY have been taught, who believe other religions are all false and they will wage war on those others to MAKE them believe .... are the REAL sinners! I find it hard to believe that those bigots will be welcome in a loving place before a really NICE "sinner" is. I wouldn't WANT to be with THEM. I'll just welcome a return to "stardust" rather than an eternity with bigots.

DEUSVULT(27) Disputed
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even worse than a sinner, they're a SARACEN!

NowASaint(1380) Clarified
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I don't know what your weirdness is about .

alto(114) Disputed
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You refuse to admit your religion doesn't work. Good job.

NowASaint(1380) Clarified
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Listen, fool...it's you who is practicing a religion believing you are exonerated in death and exempt from Hell based on your on desire to defy God.

I live in reality. In reality, we do not deserve a moment of time breathing God's fresh air which you abuse by blowing it hot against Him. In reality, God sustains mercy for all who are not burning in Hell now, He gives you time outside of Hell.

In reality, only God can save you from your sins, only God can give you eternal life, only God can save you from Hell. Reality is reality if you think it works or not. Your opinion of reality will not keep you out of Hell. Only the Savior, God, can keep you out of Hell. You're just a clown trying to put on a show pretending to be smarter, stronger, better than God. You're a fool as long as you keep on with your show; a tragic comedy.

NowASaint(1380) Clarified
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So you are wagering your soul against God, hoping to find the fire of Hell does not torment you forever. When did you decide to make that wager, Pasquale?

NowASaint(1380) Clarified
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I live in reality. In reality we do not deserve to live, we deserve to die, and God gives us time outside of Hell hoping we will return to Him and be reconciled to Him through His atoning blood which He shed to cover the sins of all who believe on Him in His resurrection and seek His mercy.

You live in a delusion in which you religiously tell yourself that you are the only real god of you. A pitiful dying god good for nothing but dying, but you love it because you are evil and prefer death over being with God in Heaven subject to His Authority. You're an arrogant little punk fool.

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Do the Words of Mohammed work in the Religion of Islam ? Does Islam tell Muslims to love or hate those outside the faith?

There is no place in the Quran where Muhammad tells Muslims to love people of other religions. By contrast there are at least three dozen verses that tell believers to fight against non-Muslims, and about 500 that speak of their place in Hell. They are from each period in Muhammad's life, scattered across 87 of the Quran's 114 chapters.

To put this in perspective, nearly one out of twelve verses in the Quran implies that Allah hates non-Muslims to the extent that he will torment them for eternity in horrible ways. The Suras that make reference to this comprise about 95% of the Quran's total volume. If Allah creates infidels merely to fuel the fires of Hell, then there is little reason for Muslims to believe that such lives are of any worth in this world either.

Quran

As mentioned, there are nearly 500 verses from 87 Suras that speak of Hell. This is just a sample:

Quran (40:71-72) - When the fetters and the chains shall be on their necks; they shall be dragged Into boiling water, then in the fire shall they be burned

Quran (22:19-21) - But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron

Quran (4:56) - Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise

alto(114) Disputed
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This is about Christianity not Islam. But I am sure there are many words of his that don't work as well.

outlaw60(15368) Disputed Banned
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The Religion of Islam that is praised by Progressives can't be brought up ?

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The Roman Catholic Church for example does good and bad. They have killed and tortured many but has done a lot of charity work and set up many hospital and schools. So we can't tell if they are true or false teachers or not.

We actually can tell them by their fruits. What the Roman Catholic Church did was wrong. If they would have studied, and read the Bible they wouldn't have killed, or tortured peoplee because nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus really instruct anyone to do such a thing.

On a side note, you actually can people by their fruits. I see it all the time whenever I'm out and about in this world. I'm aware of how people are. It certainly does work.

alto(114) Disputed
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What about the good fruit th Catholic Church produces? And whar about all the denominations that produce good fruit only but contradict eachother?

NowASaint(1380) Clarified
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Matthew 7:18

“A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

Jesus

NowASaint(1380) Disputed
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Isaiah 64:6

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

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Does God really mock atheists?

When an atheists faces tragedy or sudden hardship and says "Oh God!!!!" Does God think it's funny that they said He is not there and then they cry out to Him when their calamity comes?, and they still won't believe He is there...Does God hold them in derision while they cry out to the only One who could help them while they deny He is there? It is kinda funny, isn't it? Yeah, it's kinda funny but it's sad. They're not going to Heaven.