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The want justice . Its pointless to riot .
Debate Score:34
Arguments:29
Total Votes:35
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Why are people rioting over the Ferguson case ?

After the Ferguson officer wasn't indicted , people went crazy and started rioting . Is it justified or is it unreasonable ? Let's debate about it .

The want justice .

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Its pointless to riot .

Side Score: 25
2 points

If the Ferguson officer did it once, then other officers can do it once. If they can do it once, they can do it again. Therefore its a big deal. I think its not about just Micheal Brown but also about the law in general and how that affects black people. This can happen in more than one place.

Also, if you let it go that easily, then eventually you'll end up with racist cops shooting any black people they don't like for no reason.

Side: The want justice .
Amarel(5669) Disputed
2 points

Everything you said is perfectly reasonable. But rioting is not. Seeking justice and demanding equality before the law does not lead one to loot.

Consider all the people who are injured, physically or legally, by a riot. They have done nothing wrong. Seeking justice in one case does not justify injustice in an entirely separate situation.

Side: Its pointless to riot .
ghostheadX(1105) Disputed
1 point

When the government is too aggressive, I believe that sometimes the people need to be aggressive back. That's where true unity comes, not from Kim Jong Un. See what I'm saying?

Side: The want justice .
1 point

One of the reasons why Americans agree with how our country is set up is the ability to freely speak your opinion without being condemned by officers. Obviously this doesn't include radical violence or unreasonable uprising, but protesting on an objective basis is legal. The Ferguson case was just a bomb waiting to explode. American police officers' racial profiling has obviously become a serious problem to society and this event was the perfect example to exemplify their cause to seek justice. Generalizing the situation into saying everyone who rioted against the case is pursuing trivial excuses misconstrues their main cause: to change the way our justice system works in America.

Side: The want justice .
3 points

Because they want to get free shit via looting. Oops I mean undocumented shopping.

Side: Its pointless to riot .
1 point

I feel as though it is pointless to riot . You can protest all you want but your not gonna bring Michael Brown back . The officer wasn't indicted and there is a good reason for that , there wasn't enough evidence . People die everyday . I hear about people dying in my community a lot , and usually for stupid reasons . Recently in my area , a convicted sex criminal ( if your curious the crime was making child porn ) is going to be set free after serving about two years . I'm not going to start a riot and say " the court is discriminating against kids , they were violated and that man needs to be put in jail for forty years . " It won't change a thing . People die everyday through rape , murder , and various other ways , but when someone dies racism we are ready to go to war over one life . All of these people breaking into buildings and stealing their items . How is this helping you make your point . Two wrongs don't make a right . The people stealing all of the goods from businesses aren't helping anyone but themselves , so at the end of the day is this really about Michael Brown . If I was Michael Brown I wouldn't want people committing crimes in my name to " avenge " my death .

Side: Its pointless to riot .
daver(1771) Clarified
2 points

We can agree that its pointless to riot. Why the rioting happens at all has at least two elements.

The easy one first: Some portion of rioting is being done by opportunists simply taking advantage of a situation to do some looting. Interestingly though their numbers are small as compared to the demonstrators, yet they are featured in video repeated endlessly on television.

The second reason there is rioting, is more complex: The media tries to conflate rioters with demonstrators. Demonstrators who turn to riot, are venting frustration over their sense of unfairness by police. This view is in generally simply wrong. The majority of cops are not oppressors.

Side: The want justice .
Jace(5222) Disputed
2 points

Rioting is an expression of pent up frustration and rage, generally as a consequence of perceived and/or real injustice. It is a symptom, rather than being either a problem or a solution. Protesting is distinct from rioting, and can be both a symptom as well as a solution (or, if you are against the movement, a problem I suppose).

The reasons behind the non-indictment are considerably more complicated than you seem to believe. Comportment by the prosecution was highly irregular and deliberately directed at securing a non-indictment from the grand jury. Prosecution and law enforcement work closely together, and officers involved in fatal shootings do receive special treatment in our legal system. There is also no transparency or tracking of fatal police actions, which is also problematic. There are also data that prove that, within some jurisdictions at least, racism is a pervasive aspect of day to day law enforcement activities.

Comparing these valid problems to other valid problems that are getting less attention in no way supports the claim that one or the other should remain unaddressed. Yes, our sentencing guidelines are pretty messed up as well. In general, the entire criminal justice system is a total mess and a constant source of dysfunction in this country. That does not mean everyone should just do nothing.

Side: The want justice .
DariusD(1) Disputed
1 point

The people are not rioting in efforts to bring Michael Brown back, obviously that will not happen, the people are rioting because they feel justice was not served properly and that their was a consequence that should have been implemented to the officer for his actions. One cannot say there was not enough evidence to prove what the officer did was out of cruelty or self defense, there were witnesses there that testified even though there were higher odds saying one thing then the other. The main reason for the rioting is that an African-American was killed by a Caucasian officer whether the officer was doing this out of self defense or not and there were minor consequences for the officers actions. I myself am also an African-American and with that being said I do not believe rioting was right choice of action because what is that showing? But this rioting was a way that people felt was right to get the attentiveness of the law and to change the minds of the people of the court in the consequences for the officer to be more severe. I do not agree with this add being the right path to take once again, but that is what had taken place and is the reason for the rioting. I understand things like this incident that took place happen everywhere and on a daily, but things like this continue to happen and there is no change taken place to stop this and their may never be but this was how they chose to exercise there anger I'm not saying this was right what they did because it wasn't it shows no sense of intelligence nor control maybe if they would have took action in court verbally where justifications are made and sentences are ruled there would be a better outcome but this will not bring one. If anything it makes it worse for African-American's, by making it appear as if this is how we ALL act when things do not go our way, or when we feel change needs to be made. This is my opinion as to why people are rioting, I understand that I steered in another direction at one point but still.

Side: The want justice .

THE DEMOCRAT'S MOUTH PIECE, THE LIBERAL MEDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's why people are rioting. Do you EVER hear of rioting in any city where the issue was not a huge played up story on the media? It takes weeks to get the professional rioters brought in by the Left. This is the Democrat election strategy case you have lived in a cave your entire life. The Democrats must keep racism alive so that they can keep grabbing 95% of the Black vote each election. It does not matter that the Black communities are doing worse under Obama. The goal of Democrats is to keep Black people tied to degrading welfare programs so that they will vote for Democrats.

Side: Its pointless to riot .

I have an argument for the opposing side to my argument. I believe that there is something to say for Michael Brown stealing cigarettes and then wrestling a cop. I think there's something irresponsible about that. I mean, I think it is a good point because that's what we know so far. We don't really know anything further.

Side: Its pointless to riot .
Jace(5222) Clarified
2 points

We know a good deal more than that, actually. All available evidence was presented to the grand jury, and was subsequently made public. The reality is that Brown was not totally faultless and based on testimony and other evidence likely acted in some aggressive or threatening fashion. That said, Wilson had multiple opportunities which he could have taken to deescalate the situation (which is partially owing to inadequate training and partially to poor individual aptitude in my opinion).

In truth, both Brown and Wilson are rather irrelevant at this point to the larger issues raised by the case.

Side: The want justice .
ghostheadX(1105) Clarified
1 point

Alright, I think I can agree with everything you just said except:

In truth, both Brown and Wilson are rather irrelevant at this point to the larger issues raised by the case.

I think they are totally relevant to the issues raised by this case, by way of example. You said yourself that this is partially due to inadequate training. The fact that this happens in this case, means it can happen in other cases. If a cop can receive inadequate training and that causes them to shoot a child based on race, even indirectly, once... then that can happen many more times which explains why this keeps happening doesn't it?

If you find the root cause behind a few of these cases, I think you'd have a probable root cause to future cases like this. I think whatever bill we pass should be based on the mistakes made from these cases. That way, we can fix the system.

Side: The want justice .
1 point

Because the people who are rioting dislike authority. It's pretty much that simple.

Side: Its pointless to riot .
1 point

Most of the action occurring has not actually been rioting. That said, what has been rioting is largely about emotional gratification and is generally ineffectual at effecting actual change. Most of this "movement' has been terribly misdirected and mismanaged. Organizers are pissing people off more than persuading them to care, and alienating their potential allies in other movements. In short, the issues (not issue) are valid but the approach has been questionable at best.

Side: Its pointless to riot .
1 point

All the Ferguson citizens making what they perceived to be dramatic political statements didn't care about Michael Brown getting shot -- they used the opportunity to loot a Toys R Us and burn down people's livelihoods.

The truth is that Brown was a casualty of war. People should have been protesting this government long before now, and in a way that made sense, rather than destroying their own communities.

Side: Its pointless to riot .

Alright, my general side is "They want justice", but here's my one argument for "It's pointless to riot." I think some (and possibly more) of this is out of hating authority. If, and only if, that's the MAIN FUCKING REASON why this is happening...

Then the way they should riot (and I'd agree with them even more than what they have now) is "WE HATE OUR FUCKING GOVERNMENT!!! GO TO HELL!!! TELL US WHAT'S IN FORT KNOX!!! STOP KILLING BLACK PEOPLE AND SAYING THAT THIS COUNTRIES GIVES EQUAL RIGHTS!!! STOP WITH THE FUCKING CONSPIRACIES MOTHERFUCKEEEERRRRSS!!!"

That's what their picket signs should be saying. See, I even included a line for Micheal Brown, in his memory.

Side: Its pointless to riot .

There is no need for rioting or looting. The store owners are getting the dirty end of the stick by having their stores looted.

Side: Its pointless to riot .
0 points

The ''oh poor us'' syndrome has been permitted to become an congenital part of the black man's psyche' by decades of sanctimonious liberal administrations around the world as they pander to the wholly unreasonable refusal by blacks to merge into the mainstream of the societies of their long suffering host countries. Blacks riot in almost every country in which they reside. The 2011 black riots in London and other major English cities was all about looting, burning and destroying property. These were blacks who were immigrants to Britain were made welcome and extended the same rights and privileges as every other citizen. On the last set of statistics published by the Metropolitan Police, ( before the P.C. brigade had them stopped) blacks represent 10% of the population of London but are responsible for 90% of all violent crime. My interpretation of those figures is;- what they lack in common sense they make up for in stupidity.

Side: Its pointless to riot .